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The Coronavirus and its impact on sport

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1 minute ago, Seneca the Younger said:

Gives us 5(?) more games with Afobe

The virus issue will get worse before getting better, I can't see the season being extended.

 

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9 minutes ago, Seneca the Younger said:

Gives us 5(?) more games with Afobe

The virus issue will get worse before getting better, I can't see the season being extended.

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9 hours ago, SX227 said:

NSW Health released details on the 13 latest cases. They are:

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Still think it's an elderly persons problem this coronavirus? Young people are just as likely to get it and die, lesser numbers sure, but the blaise attitude from some is astonishing.

No one has said young people can't catch it. In fact most people's arguements are that young people will catch it but show few / mild symptoms and then pass it on without realising they had it.

Your statement that young people are just as likely to die seems to be scientifically and statistically incorrect.

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50 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Seems to me that the UK approach is somewhat maverick - and potentially - quite clever.

Of course, this could massively backfire.

I get the impression (and I haven't read up massively on this, limiting my knowledge to news broadcasts), that the government want us to get ill. But in a controlled way, so that by the beginning of summer when this pandemic is expected to reach its peak, a lot of people will already have some form of natural immunity to the worst of it and the NHS are in a better position to cope.

If we go full shut down now, the panic and fear will be diluted by the time things are worse and/or the damage to the economy will be far worse.

Not saying that a price has been put on our heads in terms of the economic outcome to the country, but it wouldn't surprise me.

And with so many companies and organisations putting their own measures in place, a controlled slow down of spreading a virus we can't stop could be the best approach, especially if those most at risk take more precautions.

Granted, I have next to no faith in Boris, but there is something reassuring about the words from Chris Whitty.

 

Pretty much how I see it. As you say, it could backfire massively but I do understand the logic.

One other aspect I wonder about - given how much the approach is tied to behavioural economics - is whether sports events closing on their own accord and people starting to avoid social events voluntarily is actually in keeping with the plan. It wouldn't shock me all that much if some of the slowness to act is based on a belief that the public (and large organisations such as the Premier League and the EFL) will accept and process these measures better if they decide on a need for them themselves rather than having to do it because the government told them to. 

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12 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

The virus issue will get worse before getting better, I can't see the season being extended.

Not sure what other choice they have. 

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3 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Pretty much how I see it. As you say, it could backfire massively but I do understand the logic.

One other aspect I wonder about - given how much the approach is tied to behavioural economics - is whether sports events closing on their own accord and people starting to avoid social events voluntarily is actually in keeping with the plan. It wouldn't shock me all that much if some of the slowness to act is based on a belief that the public (and large organisations such as the Premier League and the EFL) will accept and process these measures better if they decide on a need for them themselves rather than having to do it because the government told them to. 

And given the limited number of games left this season, if the PL and/or the EFL make the decision to cancel/postpone games, it's then a problem they 'own' - they can't say, 'our hand was forced', and as we know, the pandemic is expected to get worse towards the summer, so maybe it isn't the right thing to do?

Who knows. 

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Interesting idea presented by someone on Sky Sports News, football delayed until mid summer here, season resumed and concluded then off season and next season starts in November. This would mean when it comes around to the Qatar world cup our season would actually align with the World cup schedule.

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32 minutes ago, !james said:

 

The thing is the virus will still be around at the start of April, so if/when players/staff start getting it again from April 4th does the season just get pushed back again? Right decision to suspend, but a restart date announced now seems iffy.

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2 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said:

Not sure what other choice they have. 

Well, I can't see that extending the season is a choice really.

 

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1 minute ago, hodge said:

The thing is the virus will still be around at the start of April, so if/when players/staff start getting it again from April 4th does the season just get pushed back again? Right decision to suspend, but a restart date announced now seems iffy.

Might just be a review date.

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19 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

The virus issue will get worse before getting better, I can't see the season being extended.

 

If the season was stopped indefinitely, what would happen with the promotion/relegation/title issues? They could declare the whole season null and void like 1939 but I really can't see them doing that, especially with the season nearly ended. However. they couldn't promote or relegate as things stand either as not everybody has played everybody.

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3 minutes ago, Wanderingred said:

If the season was stopped indefinitely, what would happen with the promotion/relegation/title issues? They could declare the whole season null and void like 1939 but I really can't see them doing that, especially with the season nearly ended. However. they couldn't promote or relegate as things stand either as not everybody has played everybody.

FA spokesman suggested a football manager simulator for the final games and then play offs behind closed doors 

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3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

The year that Liverpool didn’t properly win the league!

I posted in the first couple of pages how I'm managed to annoy some local Liverpool fans by telling them that if the league gets cancelled, Man City get the title as current champions.

Might have to remind them of the 'rule' (that I made up) if I see them over the weekend.

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10 minutes ago, hodge said:

Interesting idea presented by someone on Sky Sports News, football delayed until mid summer here, season resumed and concluded then off season and next season starts in November. This would mean when it comes around to the Qatar world cup our season would actually align with the World cup schedule.

It is an interesting idea but presumably it would need to then be set back on track at some point? Would we need the 2022/2023 season to run half a season and everyone play each other once in a randomly allocated manner in order to get back on track?

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8 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Well, I can't see that extending the season is a choice really.

 

I think if the Euros are cancelled it at least gives the extra time in June to finish the season. If teams have to play 3/4 times a week then so be it.

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1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

Firstly Robbored, this is not aimed at you personally.

If your age is what I think it is, over 70?, you should already be considering what you do now. And for those under 60,, please consider all like me because, while you may have a few days off work and make a full recovery, in the early stages of your illness, you will be lethal to the elderly.

In July I will have completed 77 years,

Firstly I’m 65 and like you I’m in pretty good shape for my age and my view on the virus is very much to adopt the medical guidelines, regular hand washing etc etc in the hope of avoiding it.

I tried every pharmacy and supermarket in Nailsea to buy some hand  gel - all sold out as are thermometers so there’s not much else I can do.

So far there is one confirmed case in N Somerset which will certainly increase but I’m resigned to the fact that  I might become infected in which case I’ll self isolate particularly as several  of my neighbours are 75+.

I have another bowls match this afternoon so we’ll just elbow tap rather than a handshake.

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10 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Might just be a review date.

Sky have just confirmed that the speculated date is just a review date

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2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

It is an interesting idea but presumably it would need to then be set back on track at some point? Would we need the 2022/2023 season to run half a season and everyone play each other once in a randomly allocated manner in order to get back on track?

It may take another season or two but you could slowly shift the season back, a few more midweek games each season and just shorten the season a bit each year

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3 minutes ago, Super said:

I think if the Euros are cancelled it at least gives the extra time in June to finish the season. If teams have to play 3/4 times a week then so be it.

That's almost certainly what they're banking on.

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2 minutes ago, hodge said:

It may take another season or two but you could slowly shift the season back, a few more midweek games each season and just shorten the season a bit each year

Perhaps the suspension of cup competitions to reduce fixture congestion?

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I was working in central London yesterday and couldn't get over just how quiet it was. Nowhere near as many people about and quite a few wearing masks plus lots of elbow tapping going on. People seem to be taking their own measures but even the tube (Metropolitan line) was pretty empty.

As I had sepsis and pneumonia a couple of years ago, I'm classed as 'at higher risk' and at just 52, I'm terrified of this but have no choice but to carry on. As people say, we're probably all going to get it to varying degrees but i'm genuinely worried. 

Calling matches off and revisiting the issue is surely the right thing to do but the aftermath is going to be chaos, realigning calendars etc etc.

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1 hour ago, italian dave said:

The way I'd read it is that if the EFL decide to call off then it will be a decision based on players, not on crowds and large gatherings.

If they come out and say its about large gatherings then they are contradicting the government, the day after the government's announcement. As you say, disputing the government's advice. Politically, not a great thing to do. 

What they're more likely to do is base the cancellation on the risk to players, and the fact that club squads are starting to be affected by the virus. 

Mind you, if they do adopt the latter stance, then they won't be playing games behind closed doors.

Very true.

9 minutes ago, Super said:

I think if the Euros are cancelled it at least gives the extra time in June to finish the season. If teams have to play 3/4 times a week then so be it.

Yep, think contracts running to 30.06 will be the hard-stop.

If season cannot be completed by this point, then whatever rules are in place (or new rules) stand.

If new rules are put in place they need to be agreed now, so everyone knows what they’re in for.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Ok, so Government approach is to allow spirts to continue.

Very likely that EFL / PL going to defy government by taking their own stance.

What does this tell the government? Their behavioural science is mis-guided?  

Not necessarily. Players and management have tested positive, therefore teams are in isolation so obviously those games would be postponed. I don't think it's defying government policy unless they say they will postpone / cancel games because of the crowds/fans gathering

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30 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

It is an interesting idea but presumably it would need to then be set back on track at some point? Would we need the 2022/2023 season to run half a season and everyone play each other once in a randomly allocated manner in order to get back on track?

I fear that this crisis may run a long course yet and we’ve only seen the start of the disruption

(Some posts early in this thread are priceless)


As it stands, 

Start planning to aim to finish this season by The end of the year, or end of Dec - Breathing room , hopefully , maybe


if season finished before Dec - Fill with compact FA Cup
 

 

Jan - May 21

Each Division split into two halves , North & South (Game wise home & away = a half season )

Top two in each Premier League Group qualify for Champions League, and a Mega Play Off for the title

Bottom two Clubs in each Premier League Group relegated 

Top Two in each Championship , and Divisional groups are promoted , Bottom two teams  in each group relegated 

 

Sorted

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BS2 Red said:

At least we'll make it through March unbeaten.

And considering our usual points gathering at this time of year , our points tally won’t suffer 

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https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/remaining-march-fixtures-postponed/

City's remaining fixtures in March have been postponed, the EFL has confirmed.

It means City will no longer travel to face Blackburn Rovers this weekend, with fixtures against Sheffield Wednesday and Nottingham Forest suspended until further notice.

On Friday morning, the FA, Premier League, EFL and Barclays FA Women’s Super League and FA Women’s Championship collectively agreed to postpone the professional game in England until 3 April at the earliest.

This action, which will be kept under constant review, has been taken due to the increasing numbers of Clubs taking steps to isolate their players and staff because of the COVID-19 virus.

The postponements include all matches in the Championship, League One and League Two, as well as all Academy and youth team fixtures. 

In addition, Clubs are being advised to suspend indefinitely all non-essential activities which include, but are not limited to, player appearances, training ground visits and fan meetings.

Whilst the EFL Board has continued to take the advice and guidance offered by the Government and its health advisors, emerging developments mean now is the time to implement football’s contingency plans in response to the crisis.

A further update on these plans will be given post an EFL Board Meeting next week. 

This decision has not been taken lightly, but the EFL must prioritise the health and well-being of players, staff and supporters while also acknowledging the Government’s national efforts in tackling this outbreak.

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And one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet, is....

If the season IS extended, what happens to out of contract players?

I assume clubs have contracts with players that have cessation points that mean the contract ends on a fixed date - say, after the date of the bank holiday weekend when they play offs are.

So technically, they wouldn't be eligible to play.

Now clubs might be happy to see some players leave, but once the summer transfer window opens (which is another fixed date), you could find a player playing against you in the play off final that scored the goal that got you to the play off final!

Answers on a postcard to the usual address.

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I can’t see the season restarting at all given we’re still 10-14 weeks from the peak. I reckon it will be ‘season abandoned’ as if it never happened. In that scenario, glad we’re not in the top 6! And glad we’re not Liverpool! 

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As there's no proof that Johnson didn't improve our final league position if it did get canceled does that means another season with him in charge? ******* fabulous. 

 

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8 minutes ago, eardun said:

I can’t see the season restarting at all given we’re still 10-14 weeks from the peak. I reckon it will be ‘season abandoned’ as if it never happened. In that scenario, glad we’re not in the top 6! And glad we’re not Liverpool! 

Hope not as we have a great chance of making playoffs.

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