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The Coronavirus and its impact on sport

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These really are extraordinary times. Sounds silly to say it but the suspension of football is weirdly unsettling. Nothing feels normal at the moment. Football is such a part of the fabric of our society, what on Earth are we going to talk about?!

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9 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

And one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet, is....

If the season IS extended, what happens to out of contract players?

I assume clubs have contracts with players that have cessation points that mean the contract ends on a fixed date - say, after the date of the bank holiday weekend when they play offs are.

So technically, they wouldn't be eligible to play.

Now clubs might be happy to see some players leave, but once the summer transfer window opens (which is another fixed date), you could find a player playing against you in the play off final that scored the goal that got you to the play off final!

Answers on a postcard to the usual address.

That is why earlier I posted that I think season will have a hard stop at 30.06.

This is the date all pro contracts of 1 year + run to.

There will be anomalies like Ighalo’s that was short term and ends in May.

Can you imagine running into a July and Stoke saying “we’ll have Benik back now he’s fit to boost our relegation battle”

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10 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

Be surprised if there are anymore games this season.

Be interesting what the implications of that would be on next season. Do we just start the season all over again?

We have a 'Ewing'.

 

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6 minutes ago, eardun said:

I can’t see the season restarting at all given we’re still 10-14 weeks from the peak. I reckon it will be ‘season abandoned’ as if it never happened. In that scenario, glad we’re not in the top 6! And glad we’re not Liverpool! 

This is one of the issues with doing it now, come 3rd April (according to government) we wont have reached our peak so if they start playing again there will still presumably be a substantial risk if not more so if more people are infected.

Personally I think they should have took steps to isolate players with potential symptoms and confirmed contacts, then postpone individual games but allow others with no known complications to continue for now.

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22 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I fear that this crisis may run a long course yet and we’ve only seen the start of the disruption

(Some posts early in this thread are priceless)


As it stands, 

Start planning to aim to finish this season by The end of the year, or end of Dec - Breathing room , hopefully , maybe


if season finished before Dec - Fill with compact FA Cup
 

 

Jan - May 21

Each Division split into two halves , North & South (Game wise home & away = a half season )

Top two in each Premier League Group qualify for Champions League, and a Mega Play Off for the title

Bottom two Clubs in each Premier League Group relegated 

Top Two in each Championship , and Divisional groups are promoted , Bottom two teams  in each group relegated 

 

Sorted

 

 

I like this idea. 

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Not yet

Good.

I've got a load of them pyro things burning a hole in my shell suit and I'd get well annoyed if I couldn't set 'em off. Had hoped for league games, but adding to the atmosphere down the community centre will have to do!

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Football authorities more decisive than the government - who knew? 

It's going to be very boring though after the initial shock. 

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Blimey. Something new to all of us.  It took the Chinese some 3 months to get a handle on it with now only a handful new infections. December. Started for real. Then Jan, Feb and March.  So can we expect similar time frames.  I think so. But.....  some clubs lower leagues might vanish for ever with this 

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4 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said:

Blimey. Something new to all of us.  It took the Chinese some 3 months to get a handle on it with now only a handful new infections. December. Started for real. Then Jan, Feb and March.  So can we expect similar time frames.  I think so. But.....  some clubs lower leagues might vanish for ever with this 

This is where football needs to come together.  Not just clubs, but players too.

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1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:

The year that Liverpool didn’t properly win the league!

How does the song go..?  'ave you ever seen Liverpool win the league. 'ave you ever seen Liperpool win the league?

'ave you ever seen Liverpool, ever seen Liverpool, ever seen Liverpool win the league?

 

 

 

 

'ave you ****!

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35 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

The real issue here is what am I going to do without OSIB?

@Shtanley I hope you’ve got contingency plans?

The next few episodes will have to be recorded behind closed doors. Apologies to those who have made plans to travel. 

 

We've got a few ideas being discussed. Don't you worry.

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3 hours ago, marcofisher said:

Learnt what lesson, don’t contract a virus?

I think he meant their general hygiene  standards regarding the slaughter storage and selling of meat in open areas, well I'm assuming he did.

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11 minutes ago, HomerRed said:

Football authorities more decisive than the government - who knew? 

It's going to be very boring though after the initial shock. 

The cynic that I am suspects that once the valuable assets (players and Managers) start reporting they have the virus, they panic more than if it's just us fans who are expendable.

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4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Not yet

I know you like a bit of stats, and were discussing our approach...

Boris said yesterday we are 4 weeks behind Italy and he hopes 13 weeks from the peak. On current trends we are only 2 weeks behind Italy but putting that to one side, I think the Government is judging that other countries have gone 'too early' and still have much much further to go. If Italy carry on their current growth trends for a further 9 weeks...well, its a scary thought. The aim seems to be that however much we try, we are all likely to end up getting it sooner rather than later, so best we try and 'flatten the curve'.

Equally, there seems to a view that whilst shutting everything down will slow the thing, sooner or later the moment you relax, bam, it will be off and running again until we have built up some herd immunity (by basically enough of us having caught it). We clearly cannot shut down everything for ever.

I am not sure we have it right...buying time is really precious right now. It might be Italy slow it right down and it explodes there again next winter and by then we are much better positioned. Equally, if a vaccine has been developed we will look a bit careless, to put it mildly.

I think that is football done for this season either way. If the peak is 13 weeks away, and we are therefore curve wise back to where we are now in 26 weeks, no way are we in a better position three weeks away than we are now.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Ok, so Government approach is to allow spirts to continue.

Very likely that EFL / PL going to defy government by taking their own stance.

What does this tell the government? Their behavioural science is mis-guided?  

Really hope so I'm partial to the odd Rum and Coke.

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Ok, so Government approach is to allow spirts to continue.

Very likely that EFL / PL going to defy government by taking their own stance.

What does this tell the government? Their behavioural science is mis-guided?  

On the contrary, I think this is their exact strategy.

Rather than take draconian measures themselves now, they 'nudge' decision makers to take it out of the government's hands for the greater good, and the rest of society takes that on board in their future decision making. There's an interesting article on the behavioural psychology behind it here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/keep-calm-and-wash-your-hands-britain-s-strategy-to-beat-virus

Let's just hope they're right.

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7 minutes ago, Stortz said:

On the contrary, I think this is their exact strategy.

Rather than take draconian measures themselves now, they 'nudge' decision makers to take it out of the government's hands for the greater good, and the rest of society takes that on board in their future decision making. There's an interesting article on the behavioural psychology behind it here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/keep-calm-and-wash-your-hands-britain-s-strategy-to-beat-virus

Let's just hope they're right.

Agree with you

They are attempting to slow the spread but also allow the spread - once people get immune to the virus they stop the chance of getting it in the future

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43 minutes ago, eardun said:

I can’t see the season restarting at all given we’re still 10-14 weeks from the peak. I reckon it will be ‘season abandoned’ as if it never happened. In that scenario, glad we’re not in the top 6! And glad we’re not Liverpool! 

I think exactly this.  They cannot award promotion and relegation based on current standings.  Imagine the legal cases by teams relegated!

Bit annoying as it means Villa get another year of PL funding. 

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6 minutes ago, phantom said:

Agree with you

They are attempting to slow the spread but also allow the spread - once people get immune to the virus they stop the chance of getting it in the future

In fairness, there's conflicting claims and evidence on this. Dunno if it's all that cut and dry in this case.

So far I should add- so far because there still seem to be a lot of unknowns, given it's new.

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36 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Can you imagine running into a July and Stoke saying “we’ll have Benik back now he’s fit to boost our relegation battle”

We'll have Walsh and Morrell back cheers thank you

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2 minutes ago, Chivs said:

I think exactly this.  They cannot award promotion and relegation based on current standings.  Imagine the legal cases by teams relegated!

Bit annoying as it means Villa get another year of PL funding. 

On the other hand, if it's expunged Sky etc will want to claw cash back.

No idea how you can claw back something already spent...future payments?

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9 minutes ago, Stortz said:

On the contrary, I think this is their exact strategy.

Rather than take draconian measures themselves now, they 'nudge' decision makers to take it out of the government's hands for the greater good, and the rest of society takes that on board in their future decision making. There's an interesting article on the behavioural psychology behind it here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/keep-calm-and-wash-your-hands-britain-s-strategy-to-beat-virus

Let's just hope they're right.

As an extension to this, if you delay the closure of schools, shops, public events etc even by a small period of time you'll create a coming together of frustration and anger... and so when those measures are enforced the public will feel like they have influenced those enforcements and thus are far more likely to follow them.

There's definitely a method to what undoubtedly feels like a bit of madness!

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Sky Sports News have just said in Scotland no Pro or grassroots football, not sure if our FA have said different

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35 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

These really are extraordinary times. Sounds silly to say it but the suspension of football is weirdly unsettling. Nothing feels normal at the moment. Football is such a part of the fabric of our society, what on Earth are we going to talk about?!

If pubs were not feeling the pinch already this will surely tip some over the edge, personally I mostly visit my local to watch the sport as I don't have Sky or BT, can see a lot of bars being pretty empty on a wet Tuesday night with no footy or other sports on.

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2 minutes ago, pillred said:

If pubs were not feeling the pinch already this will surely tip some over the edge, personally I mostly visit my local to watch the sport as I don't have Sky or BT, can see a lot of bars being pretty empty on a wet Tuesday night with no footy or other sports on.

Or people go to pub to meet friends because there is no football etc to go watch

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Apparently 2 PL teams called for the league to be cancelled, I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say one is Villa.... the would sure be one of the relegated clubs or even Spurs perhaps if it meant same clubs going into Europe again.

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2 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

Re-align the football season with the calendar year

Playing football if we had near record high temperatures in the summer would be difficult not least it would require every country in europe doing so, imagine temperatures in Spain/Italy mid summer.

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If this season gets wiped from the history books, we could have another 125th anniversary, with a less shit kit and retired players not being shoved in a corner.

Positive!

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16 minutes ago, The Journalist said:

As an extension to this, if you delay the closure of schools, shops, public events etc even by a small period of time you'll create a coming together of frustration and anger... and so when those measures are enforced the public will feel like they have influenced those enforcements and thus are far more likely to follow them.

There's definitely a method to what undoubtedly feels like a bit of madness!

They've also said if we go to soon with school closures it will immediately weaken NHS, care services etc as parents stay home to look after children. OR they go and stay with grandparents who are more at risk?

Also if we lockdown like Italy, people will get "bored" of it and revert back to normal behaviour too soon and right in the peak of the situation

 

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18 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

To be fair, there are two very different scientific approaches taking place at the moment.

Most of Europe seems to be trying to nip it in the bud in the short term and aiming to stop it before it takes hold.

Our government essentially appear to have conceded that it isn't something that can be nipped in the bud in the short-term - or at least not without causing a recurrence at a later point - and are essentially accepting it will become widespread and trying to manage that. I get the logic - especially around the idea that introducing measures too early will mean people cease follow them at crucial times - but I can also see why people feel the government is not doing enough. I believe the Chief Scientific Adviser and Chief Medical Officer are being sincere in the advice they give but can absolutely get why people look at the fact we are going in a completely different direction to the science elsewhere and feel a bit concerned and alarmed by that.

Hopefully our approach will prove to be the right one but it is impossible to be sure. And I think anyone choosing to work from home, minimise social contact and avoid crowds is doing a very sensible thing, irrespective of government advice. 

In France the authorities are trying to slow down the contamination rates so the peak is reached over a longer period therefore leaving the health services the availability to treat cases .

If too many cases are reported all at once the health services will not be able to cope. 
 

All schools and colleges are shut down .

Gatherings of over fifty people are banned.

Many civil servants are being obliged to work from home .

It seems to me like a huge overreaction but what do I know ? 

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34 minutes ago, cityexile said:

I know you like a bit of stats, and were discussing our approach...

Boris said yesterday we are 4 weeks behind Italy and he hopes 13 weeks from the peak. On current trends we are only 2 weeks behind Italy but putting that to one side, I think the Government is judging that other countries have gone 'too early' and still have much much further to go. If Italy carry on their current growth trends for a further 9 weeks...well, its a scary thought. The aim seems to be that however much we try, we are all likely to end up getting it sooner rather than later, so best we try and 'flatten the curve'.

Equally, there seems to a view that whilst shutting everything down will slow the thing, sooner or later the moment you relax, bam, it will be off and running again until we have built up some herd immunity (by basically enough of us having caught it). We clearly cannot shut down everything for ever.

I am not sure we have it right...buying time is really precious right now. It might be Italy slow it right down and it explodes there again next winter and by then we are much better positioned. Equally, if a vaccine has been developed we will look a bit careless, to put it mildly.

I think that is football done for this season either way. If the peak is 13 weeks away, and we are therefore curve wise back to where we are now in 26 weeks, no way are we in a better position three weeks away than we are now.

 

 

I've read this bit several times, but I'm damned if I can fathom it out. It must be me though in my advancing years, 😆.

Reckon you'd make a brilliant politician!😉

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1 hour ago, DirtySanchez said:

Benik Afobe has more time to recover, every cloud....

AND LJ can catch up on that missing pre season with KP! No excuses now!

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think the cancellation of sporting events and non work / school gatherings are the correct thing to do, it will only be in the next 1-2 weeks that schools will also be shut, which means they have only a short period to cover with remote teaching before easter holidays, when people would already had to arrange child care.

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20 minutes ago, hodge said:

Or people go to pub to meet friends because there is no football etc to go watch

At least if it isn't "behind closed doors" you wont get what happened in europe this week where fans turned up in their thousands to hang around outside the ground! :facepalm:

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35 minutes ago, Stortz said:

On the contrary, I think this is their exact strategy.

Rather than take draconian measures themselves now, they 'nudge' decision makers to take it out of the government's hands for the greater good, and the rest of society takes that on board in their future decision making. There's an interesting article on the behavioural psychology behind it here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/keep-calm-and-wash-your-hands-britain-s-strategy-to-beat-virus

Let's just hope they're right.

So are we saying this could be a masterstroke by Boris?!

Haven't heard much about Rugby? They still being played?

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44 minutes ago, cityexile said:

I know you like a bit of stats, and were discussing our approach...

Boris said yesterday we are 4 weeks behind Italy and he hopes 13 weeks from the peak. On current trends we are only 2 weeks behind Italy but putting that to one side, I think the Government is judging that other countries have gone 'too early' and still have much much further to go. If Italy carry on their current growth trends for a further 9 weeks...well, its a scary thought. The aim seems to be that however much we try, we are all likely to end up getting it sooner rather than later, so best we try and 'flatten the curve'.

Equally, there seems to a view that whilst shutting everything down will slow the thing, sooner or later the moment you relax, bam, it will be off and running again until we have built up some herd immunity (by basically enough of us having caught it). We clearly cannot shut down everything for ever.

I am not sure we have it right...buying time is really precious right now. It might be Italy slow it right down and it explodes there again next winter and by then we are much better positioned. Equally, if a vaccine has been developed we will look a bit careless, to put it mildly.

I think that is football done for this season either way. If the peak is 13 weeks away, and we are therefore curve wise back to where we are now in 26 weeks, no way are we in a better position three weeks away than we are now.

 

 

 

This is going to set the world economy back ten years .

I heard that the Chinese government is to blame because they allowed the selling and eating of wild animals in their markets.

The Chinese should compensate the world . 
 

Cynical ******** who drive the killing of rhinos and tigers so that they can get a stiffy , haven’t they heard of Viagra ? 

:grr:

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1 hour ago, eardun said:

I can’t see the season restarting at all given we’re still 10-14 weeks from the peak. I reckon it will be ‘season abandoned’ as if it never happened. In that scenario, glad we’re not in the top 6! And glad we’re not Liverpool! 

Also Leeds 😂

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2 minutes ago, Super said:

Haven't heard much about Rugby? They still being played?

The Wales match still going ahead, just with a lot more hand sanitation points available

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1 hour ago, Show Me The Money! said:

Be surprised if there are anymore games this season.

Be interesting what the implications of that would be on next season. Do we just start the season all over again?

My disappointment of missing out on the playoffs would be wiped out by the enjoyment of watching all the local ‘plastic’ Liverpool fans crying into their beer 🤣

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27 minutes ago, Chivs said:

I think exactly this.  They cannot award promotion and relegation based on current standings.  Imagine the legal cases by teams relegated!

Bit annoying as it means Villa get another year of PL funding. 

Or by the teams looking likely to get promoted? Especially to the pay-day that is the premier league.

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4 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

They've also said if we go to soon with school closures it will immediately weaken NHS, care services etc as parents stay home to look after children. OR they go and stay with grandparents who are more at risk?

Also if we lockdown like Italy, people will get "bored" of it and revert back to normal behaviour too soon and right in the peak of the situation

 

All good points.

I likened it to the first day of a Test match when you're trying to gauge how good the light is and whether the players should go off or stay on. You need to keep it safe and sensible, but if you call it quits too early you set a low bar for the rest of the match. You then risk having to keep the players off when the light isn't actually that bad and causing future problems.

What I'm trying to say, with that admittedly terrible analogy, is if we go into lockdown at the current rate of cases we may have to remain in that state for months on end. That'll lead to businesses going bust, to unemployment, to homelessness etc. That sounds extreme but it's what we're faced with further down the line if we just pull the trigger straight away.

I'm by no means suggesting I know what is right and wrong, but I don't think it's as cut and dried as many suggest in terms of just going into some kind of immediate lockdown.

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53 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

How does the song go..?  'ave you ever seen Liverpool win the league. 'ave you ever seen Liperpool win the league?

'ave you ever seen Liverpool, ever seen Liverpool, ever seen Liverpool win the league?

'ave you ****!

You do realise football existed in this country before 1992, right.....?

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37 minutes ago, pillred said:

If pubs were not feeling the pinch already this will surely tip some over the edge, personally I mostly visit my local to watch the sport as I don't have Sky or BT, can see a lot of bars being pretty empty on a wet Tuesday night with no footy or other sports on.

I think there are probably going to be countless knock-on effects like this that we haven't even begun to consider yet.

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