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The Coronavirus and its impact on sport

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8 minutes ago, Colombo Robin said:

Different "experts" are advocating different approaches. They cant all be right

How does one become an expert on something unprecedented and once-in-a-generation anyway? 

Especially something as unique like a - admittedly bad for some - seasonal flu which has been given a name. 

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Purely from a football and legal standpoint.

And so, it begins...

While it is Scotland and law may differ, in certain areas, Hearts relegation given the lack of cash in Scottish football is pretty minor as opposed to the possible issues down here.

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1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

I’ve often wondered what you look like Downend 

Lucky I wasn't wearing a hat, as I usually do, or I would have been unrecognisable. 

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6 hours ago, handsofclay said:

What I don't get about all of this is we are constantly being told that the best way to protect ourselves (apart from self isolation) from catching this coronavirus is to wash our hands after we've touched things and especially before then touching our faces or eating. If we cannot wash our hands - due to the unavailability of sinks and running water in everyday situations - then hand gel is just as good. Now that is something we can all carry around and get into the habit of using. After all, it will be a lifesaver. 

Now this is the bit I don't get. In the last war, it seemed likely that the home front would be subjected to poison gas attacks. Gas masks were thus quickly issued to everyone in the country and everyone carried them around in the supplied cases. Gas masks cost a fair bit of dosh to produce for a nation that in the late-1930s was still in the midst of the Great Depression. Yet it was done. It was seen as a necessity to protect our population.

Now in 2020 we are a far richer country than our 1939 former selves. Yet, there has been no talk of providing everyone in the country with hand gel. Hand gel being significantly less expensive than a gas mask to produce. Instead we are just told about how hand gel can be a lifesaver and when one looks to purchase a bottle at the supermarket, there's none there because someone has bought 59 years worth of supply. I can imagine back in 1939 a Public Information Film telling us that gas masks were essential but it was your task to find one on the empty shelves of the local stores. Surely it isn't beyond the Government to impose emergency powers upon the alcohol sanitising gel manufacturers and get them to produce enough to provide everyone in the nation with a bottle or two a week.

 

Absolutely. My brother who works at a GPs surgery says that even they can't get any hand gel. It should all be requisitioned by the government, used in the NHS first, and the distributed to households, possibly using posties (with armed guard if it ever gets to that stage) 

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I see a man in nailsea recently died of covid19. Only 59.. no age is it.

 

I have noticed all the jokes on various social media about it are slowly drying up as what is happening is hitting home

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Just wondering what Talksport  will find to talk about in the next few weeks or even months. Advertising revenue will fall off a cliff as numbers of listeners decline dramatically. 

Additionally Sky Sports subscriptions may well be cancelled by millions as there simply is no Sport worth watching on TV..

Examples of some of many  sporting business models that will find the upcoming months very challenging with perhaps serious long term consequences.

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3 hours ago, MarcusX said:

With respect, they are experts in their field. Not saying they can't be wrong, but I'd trust their ideas based on research and data over the general public

I think a lot of the problem is the lack of clarity.

For example, there is a strong belief that the government's policy is to push for "herd immunity" and everyone is treating that as fact but, as far as I can tell, nobody has ever said that is the government strategy and the government have now explicitly said that it is not their strategy at all. It is far from clear whether this was ever their strategy or simply some journalists' interpretation of the society.

Similarly, earlier Matt Hancock said that over-70s - and possibly those with underlying health conditions - would need to self-isolate for up to four months but now it appears he may have meant minimise social contact, not self-isolate completely, and it is unclear whether or not those under 70 with underlying health conditions are included.

My worry is not necessarily the government approach - I am not wholly clear on the government approach and I am not an epidemiologist, or even someone who was quite certain what an epidemiologist was until about three weeks ago - but the fact the government is losing control of the narrative and not being clear enough on what they are trying to do so people can understand the plan and the reasons for it.

I think the only way to get things back on track is for them to treat us like adults and be transparent and explicit about what the steps are over the next few months and who is going to be asked to do what and in what order. The reality is people cannot trust the government's plan if they don't tell us what that plan is and I think a lot of the lack of clarity and frustration is not necessarily because the government is doing the wrong things but because we don't really know exactly what they are doing and what the reasoning is. As it stands, the uncertainty is making us fear there is an inadequate or flawed response and I can't see a way around that beyond clear information. 

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So whilst I've been asserting my presumption that market forces will dictate that we will resume the season, thus placating the money men, there is one thought I just had...

What if West Ham, for example, refuse to recommence the season, on "health grounds" (arguably a rational stance, regardless of their contrived selfish motives)?

So the majority of the PL vote to resume under controlled circumstances, but one or more relegation threatened sides refuse, threatening legal action etc.

Would they want to do this anyway? Hmmm....

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4 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think a lot of the problem is the lack of clarity.

For example, there is a strong belief that the government's policy is to push for "herd immunity" and everyone is treating that as fact but, as far as I can tell, nobody has ever said that is the government strategy and the government have now explicitly said that it is not their strategy at all. It is far from clear whether this was ever their strategy or simply some journalists' interpretation of the society.

Similarly, earlier Matt Hancock said that over-70s - and possibly those with underlying health conditions - would need to self-isolate for up to four months but now it appears he may have meant minimise social contact, not self-isolate completely, and it is unclear whether or not those under 70 with underlying health conditions are included.

My worry is not necessarily the government approach - I am not wholly clear on the government approach and I am not an epidemiologist, or even someone who was quite certain what an epidemiologist was until about three weeks ago - but the fact the government is losing control of the narrative and not being clear enough on what they are trying to do so people can understand the plan and the reasons for it.

I think the only way to get things back on track is for them to treat us like adults and be transparent and explicit about what the steps are over the next few months and who is going to be asked to do what and in what order. The reality is people cannot trust the government's plan if they don't tell us what that plan is and I think a lot of the lack of clarity and frustration is not necessarily because the government is doing the wrong things but because we don't really know exactly what they are doing and what the reasoning is. As it stands, the uncertainty is making us fear there is an inadequate or flawed response and I can't see a way around that beyond clear information. 

From the Guardian piece shared on this thread previously...

Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, has explained that part of the reason for not embracing bans is to encourage “herd immunity”.

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2 minutes ago, mozo said:

From the Guardian piece shared on this thread previously...

Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, has explained that part of the reason for not embracing bans is to encourage “herd immunity”.

Apologies - I stand corrected. But still Matt Hancock is saying the opposite:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/matt-hancock-on-herd-immunity-and-coronavirus-1-6562302

Clarity is needed urgently. 

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3 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

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There is a shortage of resources in the NHS - surely 38900 negatives show poor recognition of patients symptoms!

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4 minutes ago, dave36 said:

There is a shortage of resources in the NHS - surely 38900 negatives show poor recognition of patients symptoms!

Not necessarily - the symptoms are very similar to cold or flu. Surely better to be on the safe side? Especially as a lot of those were before we knew it had taken hold in the UK. It would also include people in quarantine or who had come into contact with infected people and where infection needed to be ruled out. 

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3 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Just rang the old man to tell him about self isolation for anyone over 70. His reply was' we're staying in, just staying in Spoons rather than home'.

Got to love the older generation. 

Well as Ireland have just announced the shut down of their pubs apparently in part due to the irresponsible behaviour of some, and worries about St Patrick’s day on 17th  March how long before he won’t be able to stay in Spoons?

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40 minutes ago, Marlborough Red said:

Just wondering what Talksport  will find to talk about in the next few weeks or even months. Advertising revenue will fall off a cliff as numbers of listeners decline dramatically. 

Additionally Sky Sports subscriptions may well be cancelled by millions as there simply is no Sport worth watching on TV..

Examples of some of many  sporting business models that will find the upcoming months very challenging with perhaps serious long term consequences.

To be fair Talksport has been going downhill for a while to many shows where the presenters love themselves 

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2 hours ago, RedM said:

I was surprised at so few tests

If, as it appears, many of those infected are asymptomatic what's the point in testing? You'd otherwise end up constantly testing the whole of the population to see as and when they became infected or reinfected. No point in that. 

They're testing those in hospital or at high risk who may have related symptoms, likely been exposed or might become super spreaders and that's about it, because that's a sensible approach.

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3 hours ago, Nbafc said:

Have a friend (works on public transport) who was hospitalized early Nov with breathing difficulties plus flu like symptons. And a Surgery nurse who suspects its been here pre Xmas.

Could be a virus other than Covid 19 of course, while it wouldnt surprise me if it was C-19.

If it has been around in part longer im hoping that would lessen its impact.

See I’ve heard lots of stories of this, it’s definitely seeing two completely separate family members in the same type of “at risk” category coincidentally getting the same nasty chest infection (put them both in hospital) that made me think.

2 hours ago, Nibor said:

Not for a moment, at least not whilst there's no scientific evidence for the theory.  There's a spike in flu like illnesses over winter every year, so anecdotal evidence of people being ill in winter doesn't mean much at all.  If there had been a new easily transmissible virus with a > 1% mortality rate doing the rounds since November I think it would be very visible in national statistics and have been noticed.

Happy to be shot down, like you say it’s winter and people get flu but I know people who had it despite having the flu jab so potentially a different strain to what they usually see? I’m also very rarely ill (like once every few years). Not conclusive at all I know.

I agree with you logically that you’d think it would have been detected if it was around that much earlier

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48 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think a lot of the problem is the lack of clarity.

For example, there is a strong belief that the government's policy is to push for "herd immunity" and everyone is treating that as fact but, as far as I can tell, nobody has ever said that is the government strategy and the government have now explicitly said that it is not their strategy at all. It is far from clear whether this was ever their strategy or simply some journalists' interpretation of the society.

Similarly, earlier Matt Hancock said that over-70s - and possibly those with underlying health conditions - would need to self-isolate for up to four months but now it appears he may have meant minimise social contact, not self-isolate completely, and it is unclear whether or not those under 70 with underlying health conditions are included.

My worry is not necessarily the government approach - I am not wholly clear on the government approach and I am not an epidemiologist, or even someone who was quite certain what an epidemiologist was until about three weeks ago - but the fact the government is losing control of the narrative and not being clear enough on what they are trying to do so people can understand the plan and the reasons for it.

I think the only way to get things back on track is for them to treat us like adults and be transparent and explicit about what the steps are over the next few months and who is going to be asked to do what and in what order. The reality is people cannot trust the government's plan if they don't tell us what that plan is and I think a lot of the lack of clarity and frustration is not necessarily because the government is doing the wrong things but because we don't really know exactly what they are doing and what the reasoning is. As it stands, the uncertainty is making us fear there is an inadequate or flawed response and I can't see a way around that beyond clear information. 

As someone who it seems to have an underlying condition, type 2 diabetes (and only one kidney) I would welcome greater clarity. I would be happy to self isolate for several months, provided I could have delivery of those provisions I need, but remain unclear as to the need when I possess no symptoms of the virus. We are being told that all of the 35 who have sadly died thus far had underlying health conditions, but that in itself doesn't seem enough. I don't wish to pry into anyone's grief but it would assist me to know how many of the 35 had type 2 diabetes, or have some indication of the severity of the underlying conditions that caused the tragic loss of life. 

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1 hour ago, dave36 said:

There is a shortage of resources in the NHS - surely 38900 negatives show poor recognition of patients symptoms!

I suspect the vast majority of these are people being admitted to hospital for other reasons, with anything like a high temperature. In those cases it is vital to know who is positive and negative so that proper isolation can be applied.

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29 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

As someone who it seems to have an underlying condition, type 2 diabetes (and only one kidney) I would welcome greater clarity. I would be happy to self isolate for several months, provided I could have delivery of those provisions I need, but remain unclear as to the need when I possess no symptoms of the virus. We are being told that all of the 35 who have sadly died thus far had underlying health conditions, but that in itself doesn't seem enough. I don't wish to pry into anyone's grief but it would assist me to know how many of the 35 had type 2 diabetes, or have some indication of the severity of the underlying conditions that caused the tragic loss of life. 

Same here. I am 37, have an underlying heart condition since birth, a stent and low level hypertension but all are pretty asymptomatic. I run five to ten km on a semi-regular basis, had childhood asthma and can feel my chest a bit when running in cold weather but otherwise I would say my health is pretty good. I have the flu jab but, even before I got that, colds and flus have rarely hit me hard and I think I have only once had a chest infection. 

I really could do with more clarity on who and who is not vulnerable as I genuinely don’t have a clue if I am supposed to follow advice for vulnerable people or not. I really would like to know how worried I ought to be. 

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Nicked from elsewhere:

Panic in the aisles of Tesco
Panic in the aisles of Sainsbury's
I wonder to myself
Could my bum ever be clean again?
The Co-Op aisles that you look down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise in the Aldi
But honey pie, there's no Andrex here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there’s panic in the aisles of Lidl
Costco, Asda, Morrisons
I wonder to myself.

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48 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Happy to be shot down, like you say it’s winter and people get flu but I know people who had it despite having the flu jab so potentially a different strain to what they usually see? I’m also very rarely ill (like once every few years). Not conclusive at all I know.

I agree with you logically that you’d think it would have been detected if it was around that much earlier

People use the word flu pretty casually, mostly when they have some other virus that manifests as a cold.  One of the actual strains of influenza will generally knock you on your ass (bedridden) for a week or more.  The jab is for the particular strains of influenza that look to be prevalent this year and is low efficacy - seen numbers like 60-70%.  It's given to people at risk of complications to reduce the strain on the NHS, brutally it's an economic thing, there's no real hope of inoculating influenza out of existence.

So, if someone had a jab and then had a flu like illness it could be another virus altogether, a strain of influenza that wasn't covered by the jab, or the jab could just have not worked for them.

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7 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Nicked from elsewhere:

Panic in the aisles of Tesco
Panic in the aisles of Sainsbury's
I wonder to myself
Could my bum ever be clean again?
The Co-Op aisles that you look down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise in the Aldi
But honey pie, there's no Andrex here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there’s panic in the aisles of Lidl
Costco, Asda, Morrisons
I wonder to myself.

Hang the BJ

Hang the BJ

😂😂😂

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Sky reports that Italy will request Euros postponement: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/30778/11958047/italy-to-ask-for-euro-2020-postponement

And it seems inevitable really. Perhaps not a bad thing for our young squad. Another year for players like Mount, Greenwood, Abraham, Foden and Cantwell to develop, among others.

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1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

If, as it appears, many of those infected are asymptomatic what's the point in testing? You'd otherwise end up constantly testing the whole of the population to see as and when they became infected or reinfected. No point in that. 

They're testing those in hospital or at high risk who may have related symptoms, likely been exposed or might become super spreaders and that's about it, because that's a sensible approach.

 http://bit.ly/JohnsonUnfit

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3 minutes ago, mozo said:

Sky reports that Italy will request Euros postponement: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/30778/11958047/italy-to-ask-for-euro-2020-postponement

And it seems inevitable really. Perhaps not a bad thing for our young squad. Another year for players like Mount, Greenwood, Abraham, Foden and Cantwell to develop, among others.

Yep. I think they're a year away from being potentially top players. So much quality.

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Another example of what I mean about poor communication leading to worrying news announcements:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What on Earth is the point of secret briefings to Senior NHS managers that contradict what we have been told publicly?

Inevitably things like this are going to leak out and erode confidence as it creates a sense that we are not being told the truth.

We urgently need to be trusted with the truth about how bad this will get and what we should expect. There is nothing to be gained by any other approach.

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1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

If, as it appears, many of those infected are asymptomatic what's the point in testing? You'd otherwise end up constantly testing the whole of the population to see as and when they became infected or reinfected. No point in that. 

They're testing those in hospital or at high risk who may have related symptoms, likely been exposed or might become super spreaders and that's about it, because that's a sensible approach.

Yes, that's totally logical. 

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32 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Ashton appears to be a 'former' self important gobshite. Interesting he doesn't suggest what Government should be doing other than 'convene COBRA' (which for those who've never been there is a ROOM -Cabinet Office Briefing Room A, as opposed to the smaller B.) It's not a standing function of control. It's political point scoring at times like these that aren't needed.

Anybody know why he's 'former' and now a rent a quote?

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30 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Another example of what I mean about poor communication leading to worrying news announcements:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What on Earth is the point of secret briefings to Senior NHS managers that contradict what we have been told publicly?

Inevitably things like this are going to leak out and erode confidence as it creates a sense that we are not being told the truth.

We urgently need to be trusted with the truth about how bad this will get and what we should expect. There is nothing to be gained by any other approach.

It simply shows the contempt with which we are viewed by our Government. 

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I assume at some point, lockdowns, isolations and businesses going bust, unemployment spiralling out of control and possible anarchy, someone will have to decide that some sort of normality will have to resume, albeit there will be some ‘collateral damage’ in that some people will die.  Maybe they would die anyway, but at some point, some people may have to sacrificed for the greater good.

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33 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Another example of what I mean about poor communication leading to worrying news announcements:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What on Earth is the point of secret briefings to Senior NHS managers that contradict what we have been told publicly?

Inevitably things like this are going to leak out and erode confidence as it creates a sense that we are not being told the truth.

We urgently need to be trusted with the truth about how bad this will get and what we should expect. There is nothing to be gained by any other approach.

The British public cannot be trusted with the truth. Would instantly descend into chaos if people were overwhelmed. 

 

Part of the government's responsibility is to control the inevitable chaos. And BS is very much part of that. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

The British public cannot be trusted with the truth. Would instantly descend into chaos if people were overwhelmed. 

 

Part of the government's responsibility is to control the inevitable chaos. And BS is very much part of that. 

 

Things are already descending into chaos. And there was no way on Earth this report would be suppressed. You cannot control chaos by trying to hide things that are bound to come out very quickly indeed.

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11 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

The British public cannot be trusted with the truth. Would instantly descend into chaos if people were overwhelmed. 

 

Part of the government's responsibility is to control the inevitable chaos. And BS is very much part of that. 

 

Quite.

The majority of the public are stupid - witness the panic buying and mass hysteria.

Can't be trusted with anything remotely like the actual situation.

 

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55 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Another example of what I mean about poor communication leading to worrying news announcements:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What on Earth is the point of secret briefings to Senior NHS managers that contradict what we have been told publicly?

Inevitably things like this are going to leak out and erode confidence as it creates a sense that we are not being told the truth.

We urgently need to be trusted with the truth about how bad this will get and what we should expect. There is nothing to be gained by any other approach.

The thing I'm struggling with isn't so much how people might try to dodge this by lockdown tactics but how on earth people on fixed incomes and no savings are expected to live if they can't go out to work?

They can't be expecting everyone to run off and claim Universal Credit. We'd have to be looking at rent/mortgage amnesties, setting up food banks for essential supplies.

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15 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Quite.

The majority of the public are stupid - witness the panic buying and mass hysteria.

Can't be trusted with anything remotely like the actual situation.

 

Add Brexit to that list as well 

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1 hour ago, Nibor said:

People use the word flu pretty casually, mostly when they have some other virus that manifests as a cold.  One of the actual strains of influenza will generally knock you on your ass (bedridden) for a week or more.  The jab is for the particular strains of influenza that look to be prevalent this year and is low efficacy - seen numbers like 60-70%.  It's given to people at risk of complications to reduce the strain on the NHS, brutally it's an economic thing, there's no real hope of inoculating influenza out of existence.

So, if someone had a jab and then had a flu like illness it could be another virus altogether, a strain of influenza that wasn't covered by the jab, or the jab could just have not worked for them.

Yep agreed and to be honest at the time I’d probably consider what my partner had as a “bad” cold rather than flu, but it did last much longer than usual.

Mine unfortunately was flu, like you say bed/sofa ridden for 4-5 days before I could even face stepping outside!

didnt realise the flu jab percentage was as low as that

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46 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

The thing I'm struggling with isn't so much how people might try to dodge this by lockdown tactics but how on earth people on fixed incomes and no savings are expected to live if they can't go out to work?

They can't be expecting everyone to run off and claim Universal Credit. We'd have to be looking at rent/mortgage amnesties, setting up food banks for essential supplies.

Rationing, if it's as serious as all that....?

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

Another example of what I mean about poor communication leading to worrying news announcements:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What on Earth is the point of secret briefings to Senior NHS managers that contradict what we have been told publicly?

Inevitably things like this are going to leak out and erode confidence as it creates a sense that we are not being told the truth.

We urgently need to be trusted with the truth about how bad this will get and what we should expect. There is nothing to be gained by any other approach.

The more I read, the more irrelevant football becomes.

I’m past caring about finishing the season, Euro 2020 and when next season will start. I fear it’ll be all lost in the noise over the coming months.

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2 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Yep agreed and to be honest at the time I’d probably consider what my partner had as a “bad” cold rather than flu, but it did last much longer than usual.

Mine unfortunately was flu, like you say bed/sofa ridden for 4-5 days before I could even face stepping outside!

didnt realise the flu jab percentage was as low as that

I think it varies a fair bit every year as they have to guess what the strains are and cook up a vaccine that covers the most likely suspects in pretty short order to get it manufactured in time.

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22 hours ago, hodge said:

Who doesn't love a crackpot conspiracy (which is 100% made up.... by me)

Boris is going the way he is with dealing with the virus, it'll delay Brexit negotiations so far he'll get the no deal brexit he wants while not looking like he's failed at negotiations. The projected peak with the method he's taking.... June, the month he set that there needed to be clear progression with brexit deal negotiations with the EU for getting a Canada style deal or he'd walk away.... June

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A Canada FTA is a hard Brexit not that far from No Deal (with the removal of most tariffs with the EU but all other barriers remaining). It will be hailed as a triumph because brexiters will have achieved their prized goal: the ability to deregulate from the EU’s strong standards of protecting its citizens.

I’m not sure if the EU would accept it. But as it’s such a meagre deal for the UK they might just give in because of the huge trade deficit we have with them. What’s important is this is nothing like what Leave EU promised it’s voters in 2016. It’s bottom of the barrel stuff.

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1 hour ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

The British public cannot be trusted with the truth. Would instantly descend into chaos if people were overwhelmed. 

 

Part of the government's responsibility is to control the inevitable chaos. And BS is very much part of that. 

 

You and @bcfc01 are either perhaps privy to significant info that you cannot stick online or even tell people generally, or, you're full of it.

Certainly hope it's the latter...former really cannot be good.

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1 hour ago, mozo said:

Sky reports that Italy will request Euros postponement: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/30778/11958047/italy-to-ask-for-euro-2020-postponement

And it seems inevitable really. Perhaps not a bad thing for our young squad. Another year for players like Mount, Greenwood, Abraham, Foden and Cantwell to develop, among others.

Euros are being postponed, sponsors have been informed

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2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

The more I read, the more irrelevant football becomes.

I’m past caring about finishing the season, Euro 2020 and when next season will start. I fear it’ll be all lost in the noise over the coming months.

Kinda with you CR.  I know it’s a bit of banter re Liverpool potentially missing out on a long awaited title, or on the other end of the scale, club’s desperate not to be relegated....but I think even over a few days, we’ve seen people start to worry less about football and focus on more important things.

Whatever will be will be in terms of football.  Some will win some lose.

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On 14/03/2020 at 16:42, Robert the bruce said:

What I want to know is where has 'Brexit gone???......all lost & forgotten.

It happened.

It’s the possibility of a decent trade agreement that’s being screwed by this (Not that I ever thought we’d get one).

Love to see the Venn diagram between all those ‘Blitz Spirit’, ‘Dunkirk’, ‘D-Day’ spouting gammons and those stockpiling ******* Andrex.

I’m imagining just 1 circle.

 

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2 minutes ago, RumRed said:

It happened.

It’s the possibility of a decent trade agreement that’s being screwed by this (Not that I ever thought we’d get one).

Love to see the Venn diagram between all those ‘Blitz Spirit’, ‘Dunkirk’, ‘D-Day’ spouting gammons and those stockpiling ******* Andrex.

 

The Venn diagram of those that actually experienced those events might be a less surprising inter-section. 👀

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

Another example of what I mean about poor communication leading to worrying news announcements:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What on Earth is the point of secret briefings to Senior NHS managers that contradict what we have been told publicly?

Inevitably things like this are going to leak out and erode confidence as it creates a sense that we are not being told the truth.

We urgently need to be trusted with the truth about how bad this will get and what we should expect. There is nothing to be gained by any other approach.

Worrying use of words like “will” rather than “could”

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4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

The Venn diagram of those that actually experienced those events might be a less surprising inter-section. 👀

2 separate circles separated by at least a generation in that case I’d imagine.

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Forget this season when we're ready to start again it will be a new season as you were it's not about who go's up or down it's beyond that it's about people's lives 

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