And Its Smith Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ...and you know the insurance companies are his mates? How did you know that? Look at his actions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ...and you know the insurance companies are his mates? How did you know that? We know they have a considerable lobbying influence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Saw this online. Any thoughts? IMO this maybe a necessary temporary measure. If unemployment spikes as it could. The fact it takes something of this magnitude to make ours (and other) countries actually put these things is place is so sad. We can have a bit of compassionate socialism, but only during a pandemic eh? Things like a universal basic income, employee protections for taking sick leave and on zero hour contracts (which are a separate issue), supporting local food banks, changing awful rental conditions and protecting renters etc. should be a basic part of a modern first would country in my mind, not something you roll out at times like this! Not sure that's a popular view though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, wood_red said: I expect all the children are watching Boris and getting the news from him are petrified!! Jeez I doubt most children even know a lot about it as they don't really need to be told all the hard cold facts do they. My nephew came around earlier after school with not a care in the World and straight on the iPad and earphones in - but if you want to tell all and sundry children are petrified you go for it.... You may wish to quote someone when replying like this, so they know you are replying to them rather than just leaving an isolated post out there with no indication as to whom you are replying ...sorry to poke my nose in ... Edited March 16, 2020 by BS4 on Tour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: All very interesting comments, but I would doubt that many 'independent' pubs and/or restaurants, if any, hold the appropriate Business Interrupton insurance cover that might apply in these current circumstances. Without going in to the semantics, for BI cover to apply, an insured event that affects the insured business itself must have occurred, e.g. a fire, storm etc. To give a local example, should there have been a serious fire in an adjacent street, think Guildhall, with access to your establishment being denied for perhaps weeks, it is unlikely your BI cover would apply. Mrs F is no longer in insurance (good memory though), but she mentioned in your example that it could be covered by “Denial of Access”. I think the point Mrs F was making (to me) was that Boris has made no commitment to stop businesses going under, whereas other countries have. I’m out of my depth here....and if Mrs F signs up for OTIB to explain, I’m off 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: We know they have a considerable lobbying influence. Who is ‘we’ ? Edited March 16, 2020 by BS4 on Tour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Harry said: Pretty fed up of people having ‘political’ arguments on this. Whether you like Boris or not, I think it’s pretty clear to see that he is taking the advice of the eminent experts of our country - he isn’t making it all up himself! This is a totally unprecedented situation and no one, in any country, knows how to handle this. Our ‘experts’ are attempting a softly softly approach rather than an immediate lockdown. Other countries have done differently. It’s not a political point of view. It’s not Boris making these recommendations. Please, he’s not bright enough. Let’s quit the political arguments. We are in the very early days of a very lengthy and deadly situation and no one has any clue yet what the best way to deal with this is. Let’s just abide by the advice being given. If you don’t agree that schools should be open - you are free to make your own choice and keep your kids at home. If you don’t agree that pubs shouldn’t be open - make your own choice and don’t go to one. If you don’t agree that you shouldn’t have close contact with your elderly relatives - make your own choice and go and see them as much as you want. No government is gonna get this right. However, ours is relying us is, as a general public, not to be a bunch of disrespectful pricks and to act with due care and attention to the situation. I personally have been very wary to keep a distance from people over this last week. I’m amazed that when I took my daughter to school this morning there were people still congregating so close together and happily nattering away in close-contact. I kept my distance, dropped her off and went home without coming within 2 metres of anyone. It’s easy to do, if you want to. Our government’s philosophy at the moment is that people act responsibly - sadly many propel aren’t taking this seriously. The death rates will not be the responsibility of anyone on government. We are all able to make our own choices. The continual ignorance of the population is what will cause more deaths than anything the government have decided so far. Quit the political nonsense folks and batten down your hatches. They’re giving you a personal choice to do this at the moment. If you don’t all start acting responsibly then they will have to force it upon you via martial law. And then you’ll really have something to complain about. I find it baffling that people are trying to blame Johnson for a fricking pandemic, accuse him of not doing enough, and then still **** off to the pub of a night anyway. Unbelievable. What if I think he has screwed over industry today and is only paying self employed people statutory pay to self isolate? Two things that have nothing to do with health advisors? You might be okay with it but plenty aren’t 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Look at his actions Such as? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Who is ‘we’ ? ...any examples? Just google it mate for gods sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Harry said: Pretty fed up of people having ‘political’ arguments on this. Whether you like Boris or not, I think it’s pretty clear to see that he is taking the advice of the eminent experts of our country - he isn’t making it all up himself! This is a totally unprecedented situation and no one, in any country, knows how to handle this. Our ‘experts’ are attempting a softly softly approach rather than an immediate lockdown. Other countries have done differently. It’s not a political point of view. It’s not Boris making these recommendations. Please, he’s not bright enough. Let’s quit the political arguments. We are in the very early days of a very lengthy and deadly situation and no one has any clue yet what the best way to deal with this is. Let’s just abide by the advice being given. If you don’t agree that schools should be open - you are free to make your own choice and keep your kids at home. If you don’t agree that pubs shouldn’t be open - make your own choice and don’t go to one. If you don’t agree that you shouldn’t have close contact with your elderly relatives - make your own choice and go and see them as much as you want. No government is gonna get this right. However, ours is relying us is, as a general public, not to be a bunch of disrespectful pricks and to act with due care and attention to the situation. I personally have been very wary to keep a distance from people over this last week. I’m amazed that when I took my daughter to school this morning there were people still congregating so close together and happily nattering away in close-contact. I kept my distance, dropped her off and went home without coming within 2 metres of anyone. It’s easy to do, if you want to. Our government’s philosophy at the moment is that people act responsibly - sadly many propel aren’t taking this seriously. The death rates will not be the responsibility of anyone on government. We are all able to make our own choices. The continual ignorance of the population is what will cause more deaths than anything the government have decided so far. Quit the political nonsense folks and batten down your hatches. They’re giving you a personal choice to do this at the moment. If you don’t all start acting responsibly then they will have to force it upon you via martial law. And then you’ll really have something to complain about. I find it baffling that people are trying to blame Johnson for a fricking pandemic, accuse him of not doing enough, and then still **** off to the pub of a night anyway. Unbelievable. No. People are angry because while you say you can "choose" to do the responsible things if you want, the fact others DON'T choose to and aren't being made to has a direct impact on the rest of the country. It's not like you doing it and them not doing it means you're ok - they can still panic buy, spread a deadly disease, overwhelm our public services, and importantly infect elderly and vulnerable people just because they'll probably be ok and have "chosen" not to listen to the advice. It's a CHOICE that is selfish and will likely literally kill people. To say you can just do it is lazy thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Who is ‘we’ ? Literally anyone who has read up on how lobbying works in the UK. Or who has access to Google. Or a newspaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Just google it mate for gods sake Why should I? You supported posts claiming all the insurance companies are ‘his mates’ - I simply asked you for evidence ... didn’t think you’d provide any wilfully ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWSM Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: No, of course not, you obviously didn’t entertain the possibility that I didn’t see your post admitting it was a mistake ... not everyone has time to read every post on every thread ... wasnt said seriously, just messing But you did feel the need to pick me on it which it does make me wonder Edited March 16, 2020 by MattWSM typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, IAmNick said: No. People are angry because while you say you can "choose" to do the responsible things if you want, the fact others DON'T choose to and aren't being made to has a direct impact on the rest of the country. It's not like you doing it and them not doing it means you're ok - they can still panic buy, spread a deadly disease, overwhelm our public services, and importantly infect elderly and vulnerable people just because they'll probably be ok and have "chosen" not to listen to the advice. It's a CHOICE that is selfish and will likely literally kill people. To say you can just do it is lazy thinking. You’re actually agreeing with me, in a way. Absolutely. The philosophy at the moment is to just slowly slowly ramp up the actions, hoping that the public realise the seriousness of the situation and take personal responsibility. Some are and lots aren’t. If lots continue to show a blatant disregard for others then the end outcome is full lockdown and martial law. No government knows the right course of action to take at the moment. It’s unprecedented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Really don’t wanna get into any political shite on this, but how is advising people to avoid crowds in pubs, theatres, restaurants etc an example of Boris ‘protecting his mates’ ? It seems to me to be a case of damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, people and they know who they are on here appear to be looking for a convenient scapegoat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ...and you know the insurance companies are his mates? How did you know that? He's Boris and he's a Tory According to some this appears to be sufficient proof . 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: What if I think he has screwed over industry today and is only paying self employed people statutory pay to self isolate? Two things that have nothing to do with health advisors? You might be okay with it but plenty aren’t This is clearly a once in a lifetime event. I don’t for one second believe that the government is purposely taking a course of action that is intentionally screwing people over. They are simply trying to stem the flow of pressure on the nhs by a slowly slowly philosophy, rather than inducing full lockdown, full panic and an overful nhs. I personally believe that every single economy in the world will collapse over this. We are in the very early days of a very long struggle. I don’t believe that any policy is to single out any particular industries - every single industry and every single person is going to suffer. They’re just stemming the flow at the moment. Many people are going to die and whatever course of action is taken will not prevent that. This is not a political game. Edited March 16, 2020 by Harry 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Harry said: This is clearly a once in a lifetime event. I don’t for one second believe that the government is purposely taking a course of action that is intentionally screwing people over. They are simply trying to stem the flow of pressure on the nhs by a slowly slowly philosophy, rather than inducing full lockdown, full panic and an overful nhs. I personally believe that every single economy in the world will collapse over this. We are in the very early days of a very long struggle. I don’t believe that any policy is to single out any particular industries - every single industry and every single person is going to suffer. They’re just stemming the flow at the moment. Many people are going to die and whatever course of action is taken will not prevent that. Look at what other leaders are doing and how they are acting. This is their first crisis like this as well. Stop apologising for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Look at what other leaders are doing and how they are acting. This is their first crisis like this as well. Stop apologising for him. But whats to say what others are doing is the way to go? Its a huge gamble by Johnson though without doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, pillred said: It seems to me to be a case of damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, people and they know who they are on here appear to be looking for a convenient scapegoat. I’d agree that he will be scrutinised either way. I’ve said a few times I’m not a fan but won’t criticise him for following some sort of expert advice (even if it’s different to other expert advice) I think it’s easy to make assumptions about why he hasn’t forced closures, I’m really not sure how I feel about it as someone who’d rather have the choice of what I do and be trusted to act like a responsible human rather than be forced into actions. However there are people who will ignore this advice if they aren’t forced into action, so I think it will happen eventually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Look at what other leaders are doing and how they are acting. This is their first crisis like this as well. Stop apologising for him. I’m not apologising for him. We currently have no idea, not a single inkling, that the approach taken by other countries will work. You’ve taken your own personal responsibility and isolated yourself and your family. And I applaud you for that. Sadly many others are carrying on regardless and aren’t yet appreciating the vastness of the situation ahead of us. You might be angered about the decision today to not enforce pub closure, but trust me, when all this is over, todays decision will be long forgotten. Politics will be long forgotten. This is much bigger than any of that. Much much bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Badger08 said: Not a Boris fan by any means, but I actually thinks he's handling this situation pretty well. What else can the poor guy do? Anyone blaming Boris for a pandemic virus is simply insane. Has anyone blamed Boris for it? Can’t see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Badger08 said: Not a Boris fan by any means, but I actually thinks he's handling this situation pretty well. What else can the poor guy do? Anyone blaming Boris for a pandemic virus is simply insane. Who's doing that then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Mrs F is no longer in insurance (good memory though), but she mentioned in your example that it could be covered by “Denial of Access”. I think the point Mrs F was making (to me) was that Boris has made no commitment to stop businesses going under, whereas other countries have. I’m out of my depth here....and if Mrs F signs up for OTIB to explain, I’m off Dave - that seriously cannot be right, as it seems the same few people (surprisingly non Boris lovers), are quoting the insurance will cover them if they are told to close down as a 100% FACT. Boris and his insurance mates are in bed together, and he'd rather risk lives than have some insurers payout some businesses. I find that just unbelievable, but it is easy to make stuff up with no evidence at all and type it out as facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: What if I think he has screwed over industry today and is only paying self employed people statutory pay to self isolate? Two things that have nothing to do with health advisors? You might be okay with it but plenty aren’t Also, just want to add that, no, I’m not ok with it. I’m not ok with any of it. I work in insurance. Private medical insurance to be precise. So on one hand some are saying that I’m a beneficiary of today’s action. But my wife works in a pub/restaurant. So she is on the receiving end of today’s actions. This will end up affecting everyone and every industry. No one is immune to the economic crisis coming our way, and no government will be able to prevent it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted March 16, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said: I broadly agree but I do think it cynical and a bit cowardly to ask people not to go to pubs but refuse to close them outright. The government has a responsibility to play fair by everyone at a moment like this and that has to include ensuring small businesses are not out of pocket with no recourse to compensation or support. What he has effectively done is deny pubs business without allowing them to claim on their insurance, thus protecting insurance companies and destroying small businesses. That is not scientific advice but very nasty politics. I doubt many small businesses have insurance that covers such a scenario, so not sure how that is protecting insurance companies, it’s big one off events like Glastonbury that are likely to be insured, rather than a local pub or restaurant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: I doubt many small businesses have insurance that covers such a scenario, so not sure how that is protecting insurance companies, it’s big one off events like Glastonbury that are likely to be insured, rather than a local pub or restaurant. Don't say that - it doesn't suit the political agendas of many on here. Boris should have locked down everything, and then the insurers would have paid everyone out, but because he done some gig last year and got paid 25k (allegedly), he won't force businesses to close down as the insurance industry are his mates and he wants to save them a few quid...... Let's not let facts get in the way ffs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Look at what other leaders are doing and how they are acting. This is their first crisis like this as well. Stop apologising for him. Problem is, pretty much every world leader is culpable and a staggering amount of countries have acted late - Italy being the prime example. But you can also refer to the delayed response of practically everyone in Europe. Don't get me started on the United States, and Trump's impersonation of King Canute. Despite all scientific proof to the contrary, people sat back and thought "oh, it'll never be that bad". Well welcome to big school. Boris has played a stinker so far, don't get me wrong, but you are barking up the wrong tree if you think he's the only one. On a global scale this has been grossly mishandled, and especially by the WHO - I think they've matched the League of Nations when it comes to fluff, flannel and hot air. The world will get through this, but panic and finger pointing are not the answer and have no place at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 We are in uncharted waters here to a massive extent. I believe that the Government are doing what they “think “ is right based on the information they have.No party political view from me at all. They do need to support individuals that are struggling and business, that is clear. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, wood_red said: I expect all the children are watching Boris and getting the news from him are petrified!! Jeez I doubt most children even know a lot about it as they don't really need to be told all the hard cold facts do they. My nephew came around earlier after school with not a care in the World and straight on the iPad and earphones in - but if you want to tell all and sundry children are petrified you go for it.... Wouldn't be so sure. My wife is a teacher, and teaches a mixed year 1/2 class. They usually watch newsround at some point in the afternoon, and the Coronavirus was mentioned in it. Her words to me the other day were "I thought I'd ask them what/if they knew anything about it, whilst not expecting much." She said the answers she was given were mind blowing. They told her loads about it - what it was, that it was mainly elderly and people with certain illnesses at the biggest risk, people were dieing because of it (but mainly if they fell in the last bracket), started in Wuhan which caused lockdown, then Italy - lockdown, US, here, hand washing was needed. Oh yeah, and that it may have been caused by someone eating a bat!! All of this coming from, mainly 5 to 7 year olds. Don't be fooled into thinking they aren't taking it in. They are. Edited March 16, 2020 by Taz 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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