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1 hour ago, J-mat said:

I'm genuinely worried about the financial implications for me and my wife. She's self employed and we rely heavily on her wages to feed our family. We are expecting so she is currently expected to self isolate and we will not be able to pay our bills on the £75 a week ESA. 

I'm watching with horror as every other nation suspends mortgage payments and utility bills, whilst this government is actively contributing to the destruction of lives. 

Any *** who didn't use their vote to get these bastards out should be ashamed. 

Quite agree with you JM. I am a pensioner of 69 and wife is 67. When I retired !! I knew to get the extra's in life we would have to work so we got a job with local taxi firm to take a disabled child to school. I drive and the wife is the guide. It brings in a reasonable top up to our pension to enjoy the luxuries in life ( like a ST in the South Stand !!) With the Coronavirus spreading, our little girls mum has decided to take her out of school so effectively putting us both out of work, we totally understand her reasons and applaud her for putting her daughter first.

Queue calling Sedgemoor Council yesterday re our Council Tax.

Curt answer: You will still have to keep paying it but suggest you contact Age Uk to see what can be done.

Call Age UK. Ansaphone message and still not heard.

Outcome:  Whatever Doris and his ministers say, at grass roots sweet FA happens and you have to take control so today I am cancelling all SOrders and DD's and if they want the money they can come round to my place where I will be self isolating. Common sense would say that all your creditors should have sympathy and allow maybe a 3 month 'holiday' on payments you regularly make, mortgage, c/tax, hp payments, etc, but whoever said that we have common sense running this country its down to every individual to look after THEIR family doing whatever is necessary through these difficult times ( and I in 69 years have never experienced the like, even in recessions which in 1990 wiped out my own company - hence no private pensions)

 

Best of luck mate and to everyone who will strive to put food on their families table

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

I can only talk about grassroots live music, entertainment and arts venues, which including pubs that put events on and I can promise you they will be affected by this. They have taken the professional advice and they know they are affected and that they would have been covered by insurance if closure had been ordered, which is why I find it so odd that people who have not seen their insurance documents, nor spoken to their insurers are adamant the professional advice they have been given is wrong.

You started by saying they have denied pubs business without allowing them to claim on insurance and it was "nasty politics". Now it seems you are not talking about all pubs and small businesses but generally entertainment venues, which includes some pubs? It seems obvious to me from what @PHILINFRANCE  @054123 and from what I have been told by the owners of a couple of pubs and an insurance company owner, that many (and I would bet money it would be the majority), would not be covered at all. We now have it on the news that businesses cannot claim due to non force closure - shame they cannot back it up with actual numbers or a percentage.

I also don't see anyone claiming that no businesses wouldn't be able to claim, because there will be ones with the adequate insurance. To suggest it is odd nobody will actually know because they haven't read all individual business documents, and are adamant the professional advice they have been given is wrong is a bit strange imo. I am not saying the professionals advice they have been given is wrong at all, you are only talking about the businesses who have been told they are covered if force closed - because they are insured for that outcome. I, and others are saying many won't be covered at all, and that is true - and if they spoke to the same professionals for advice they would be told they wouldn't be covered with the policy they have.

Will leave it there as there are bigger things to worry about.

 

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Isn’t the bigger picture view here, not insurance payouts, but government support.

If a business goes under today per se, they are stuffed.  Had it been a result of an order from government to shut down, then government would have some liability.

France has said no business will go bust.  Ours has given a woolly statement re support and liquidity.

Our country is not leading our people as I would expect them to.

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10 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Has anyone blamed Boris for it? Can’t see it 

 

10 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Who's doing that then?

To be fair, lots of it going on over social media, particularly twitter.

8 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

The pandemic will cause more chaos in the world than any event since the Second World War and it will be more universal. The loss of life may well be of a similar order once the virus hits the third world, which is saying something considering how many died during that conflict. Out of 8 billion people, with 75% catching it, even with only a 1% mortality rate that equates to 60 million deaths worldwide. If that doesn’t call for somber contemplation nothing will!

Radical solutions will be needed. Forget Universal Credit for those laid off from their jobs or whose business collapse. Also there is no point just bailing out big businesses in the way that the banks were in the financial crash of 2008, where all the money went to the richest, and all the pain was borne by the rest of us for years to come, this time we need a universal income at least in the short term. The money needs to go to the people not the “fat cats”. In the meantime, we need funds, so taxing Facebook, Amazon and Google fair amounts across all countries has to come too.

This will truly be a shock to the neo-liberal Western financial system, one for which it is ill-prepared, as it hates market intervention. However only governments working for their populations and working together can sort this out.

As for food, considering as a country we import 50% of it from overseas (mostly from the EU that we left 6 weeks ago) we are in big trouble if the supply lines start drying up. Rationing may be a last resort but it’s no longer unthinkable if this situation continues until next year. 

We are in truly unprecedented times, and as I mentioned before, Boris should have been more careful about what he wished for. He might have hero worshipped Churchill but now he is being asked to deal with something which is potentially far more difficult and complex. And all because he wanted to be “World King” as a kid...

Depending what you define as the thirld world, it has hit them? Many parts of Africa have confirmed cases. 

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10 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Has anyone blamed Boris for it? Can’t see it 

I'm not saying on here, but I have seen people blaming Boris for not closing airports sooner etc, in turn blaming Boris for the virus entering the country. 
Its amazing what things people with a political agenda will use to hit someone with. 

Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a politics thread, this is far bigger than one person, one party etc.   Everyone needs to play their part.  

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39 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Isn’t the bigger picture view here, not insurance payouts, but government support.

If a business goes under today per se, they are stuffed.  Had it been a result of an order from government to shut down, then government would have some liability.

France has said no business will go bust.  Ours has given a woolly statement re support and liquidity.

Our country is not leading our people as I would expect them to.

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You've nailed it there Dave. I believe that in this respect especially, they have been behind the curve.

That thing phantom posted about DWP suspending assessments was a confirmation to me that they believe unemployment to take off, or at least spike off the back of this.

By no means simply in hospitality either. 

Whatever we think of the Government, I don't believe the national approach cuts it in this respect or has done to date. 

Said it on a couple of threads albeit moaning a little about top footballers during this crisis but that's barely anything now. We all need to make sacrifices it would seem, if things are reaching the stage some think.

Many are or will be, with their jobs and businesses. **** knows what the unemployment rate will be in a couple of months.

From the health and advice POV, yesterday was an improvement (unsure they're there yet), economically it's lacking.

Maybe the virus will burn out, a vaccine will be sought, maybe it'll be no more than a standard recession, where a lot of temporary layoffs and targeted support can suffice. 

Unsure that this is true however. 

Also before I forget, self employed too. Add them to the list.

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14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

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You've nailed it there Dave. I believe that in this respect especially, they have been behind the curve.

That thing phantom posted about DWP suspending assessments was a confirmation to me that they believe unemployment to take off, or at least spike off the back of this.

By no means simply in hospitality either. 

Whatever we think of the Government, I don't believe the national approach cuts it in this respect or has done to date. 

Said it on a couple of threads albeit moaning a little about top footballers during this crisis but that's barely anything now. We all need to make sacrifices it would seem, if things are reaching the stage some think.

Many are or will be, with their jobs and businesses. **** knows what the unemployment rate will be in a couple of months.

From the health and advice POV, yesterday was an improvement (unsure they're there yet), economically it's lacking.

Maybe the virus will burn out, a vaccine will be sought, maybe it'll be no more than a standard recession, where a lot of temporary layoffs and targeted support can suffice. 

Unsure that this is true however. 

Also before I forget, self employed too. Add them to the list.

Yes, it was...but still was lacking in certain aspects.  Think they are missing a trick by making it purely a speech from three guys in front of a lectern.  There is opportunity to have some ‘PowerPoint” slides too.  On Thursday the guy used a big screen to show the curve.  Re-use that media to make the message easier to digest.

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11 hours ago, Badger08 said:

Not a Boris fan by any means, but I actually thinks he's handling this situation pretty well. What else can the poor guy do?  Anyone blaming Boris for a pandemic virus is simply insane. 

Ok, I'll give a personal example of the government's failings currently. Not aimed particularly at Boris but I guess he's in it.

I'm a 58 yr local old GP of 29 yrs. Due to retire April 6th, but I've told the practice I'll come back and help when they need me, as inevitably clinicians are gonna start to get sick.

However this coincides with an appraisal I would have been due also in April, and I've been told categorically that if I don't sit down to discuss quality initiatives and personal development etc , they'll revoke my licence to practise. I've rang the GMC and they just repeat the same mantra.

Now I don't have an overwhelming desire to expose myself to this virus anymore than anyone else, but equally feel that this is what I do and I should try to help.

Local MP is running it by Hancock today, but there's a bit of me thinks **** it why bother.

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16 hours ago, The Gasbuster said:

Worrying times for us all, Robbo.

Hope you and your team can see this out, successfully.

At least I don't run a restaurant. :blush2:

15 hours ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

South Korea have tested more than anyone else and as a result they’ve found more cases, many of which are pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic. This has meant a higher number of cases but a much less terrifying case fatality rate (below 0.7%). 

IF we are only testing people who end up in hospital then how can we keep track of the numbers, give a more accurate impression of how lethal the virus is and how can people with mild infection truly know if they have any immunity in future?

Maybe I’ve got the wrong end of the stick but that would be ******* mental!

I can't help but think this "only test people if they've come back from abroad or know they've been in contact with people who have" is a cheapo way of trying to hide that they just do not have the resources to do so. South Korea at one time was the world's most infected country and what they did was test anyone who thought they had symptoms, if positive test those who were known to come into contact with them, and if those are positive test those in contact with THEM and so on. The rigorous testing regime and isolation of those with covid-19 has successfully slowed the progress of the virus right down there.  Over here, we have umpteen people who have no idea if they have the virus or not and we are relying on no one basically doing anything for the foreseeable for it just to vanish. Which seems very optimistic.

 

12 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

If he instructed people to not attend then the companies in question could claim on insurance.  As he has only advised then they can’t. Thus protecting insurance companies 

A bloke from the industry talking on R4 this morning said it was highly unlikely most hospitality industry outlets would have insurance that paid out even if they were legally ordered to shut, and even for those that did, the delay in payouts would mean they still wouldn't have the cash-flow to continue paying staff. He said yesterday's announcement effectively made 1 million redundant. Numerous pubs and restaurants are likely to never re-open and parts of our heritage and the UK we know could be lost forever.  :crying:

 

The more I think about the way this is being tackled - the economic impact, the social isolation and worry with likely increases in mental health problems/suicides, plus the lack of exercise for many and long-term health problems that will cause - the more I'm beginning to think that the expert's "cure" for this virus could be worse than the virus itself. Particularly if these measures last all year, as many suggest they will. 

No way will the economy "come roaring back" as Mr Blobby suggests, once a vaccine is developed. We're looking at deep, deep economic hardship and a very slow recovery.

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1 hour ago, Badger08 said:

I'm not saying on here, but I have seen people blaming Boris for not closing airports sooner etc, in turn blaming Boris for the virus entering the country. 
Its amazing what things people with a political agenda will use to hit someone with. 

Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a politics thread, this is far bigger than one person, one party etc.   Everyone needs to play their part.  

Had BJ announced  a total lockdown - schools shut, travel stopped etc - 2 weeks ago, to avoid greater infection, I strongly suspect that any of those now criticising his actions would have been equally vocal in criticising him for overreacting and jeopardising business, when the majority of other countries had not taken such steps.

There aren't rights and wrongs with this virus, only people having to make the most educated guesses they can based on the best medical and scientific information and advice. I don't envy any world leader with the momentus decisions they are having to consider.

On the question of insurance, while I have no direct experience of business insurance, a lifetime in the mortgage industry tells me that 90%+ of mortgage applicants will protect their mortgages against their death, but only 3% will protect against loss of income through sickness or redundancy. They do so because they think that eventuality highly unlikely and also because of cost.

Accordingly, I suspect similar attitudes will prevail in small business, so I think it highly likely that a large majority of small businesses in the pub, restaurant industry will have building and contents insured but none, or very limited, business protection.

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6 minutes ago, Markman said:

look at ebay - it is quite depressing

eBay should be removing all adverts that are cashing in on this (according to their own T&Cs), this is where I do get very cynical though - the higher the prices due to demand then the more money they make from the sellers....

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43 minutes ago, reddoc said:

Ok, I'll give a personal example of the government's failings currently. Not aimed particularly at Boris but I guess he's in it.

I'm a 58 yr local old GP of 29 yrs. Due to retire April 6th, but I've told the practice I'll come back and help when they need me, as inevitably clinicians are gonna start to get sick.

However this coincides with an appraisal I would have been due also in April, and I've been told categorically that if I don't sit down to discuss quality initiatives and personal development etc , they'll revoke my licence to practise. I've rang the GMC and they just repeat the same mantra.

Now I don't have an overwhelming desire to expose myself to this virus anymore than anyone else, but equally feel that this is what I do and I should try to help.

Local MP is running it by Hancock today, but there's a bit of me thinks **** it why bother.

Good luck, hope you get a positive response. We are all going to need people like you in the weeks to come.

Ludicrous position to be in though: someone, and at a lower level than the health minister, needs to just take the responsibility to make decisions that our outside the norm. 

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16 rolls of Andrex toilet roll that is £7 in Asda (granted they do not have any on the shelves) are going for £25-£30. All those sellers should hang their heads in shame imo.

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2 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Good luck, hope you get a positive response. We are all going to need people like you in the weeks to come.

Ludicrous position to be in though: someone, and at a lower level than the health minister, needs to just take the responsibility to make decisions that our outside the norm. 

Push comes to shove I'll do the appraisal, but it'll be imaginative as for obvious reasons I haven't bothered documenting anything I've done this year.

Reckon if I schedule it for the end of April, it's unlikely there will be anyone to do it anyway.

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12 minutes ago, wood_red said:

16 rolls of Andrex toilet roll that is £7 in Asda (granted they do not have any on the shelves) are going for £25-£30. All those sellers should hang their heads in shame imo.

It's profiteering, at a time of possible crisis. Hang their heads in shame is quite kind if anything.

Interesting story from USA. Someone had 17,700 containers or similar of hand sanitiser. EBay account was shut basically, or was it Amazon. Couldn't get rid of them.

The upshot was they had to give them all away, or 'chose' to. That 'choice' however was against the backdrop of being investigated for price gouging...giving them away may well help him! 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51909045

Sure we have some similar laws? If not we make some for emergency use only. Get these ******* in front of a court, or a police station. Anti social at best!

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9 minutes ago, wood_red said:

16 rolls of Andrex toilet roll that is £7 in Asda (granted they do not have any on the shelves) are going for £25-£30. All those sellers should hang their heads in shame imo.

Some people are just unbelievably scummy.

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45 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

At least I don't run a restaurant. :blush2:

I can't help but think this "only test people if they've come back from abroad or know they've been in contact with people who have" is a cheapo way of trying to hide that they just do not have the resources to do so. South Korea at one time was the world's most infected country and what they did was test anyone who thought they had symptoms, if positive test those who were known to come into contact with them, and if those are positive test those in contact with THEM and so on. The rigorous testing regime and isolation of those with covid-19 has successfully slowed the progress of the virus right down there.  Over here, we have umpteen people who have no idea if they have the virus or not and we are relying on no one basically doing anything for the foreseeable for it just to vanish. Which seems very optimistic.

 

A bloke from the industry talking on R4 this morning said it was highly unlikely most hospitality industry outlets would have insurance that paid out even if they were legally ordered to shut, and even for those that did, the delay in payouts would mean they still wouldn't have the cash-flow to continue paying staff. He said yesterday's announcement effectively made 1 million redundant. Numerous pubs and restaurants are likely to never re-open and parts of our heritage and the UK we know could be lost forever.  :crying:

 

The more I think about the way this is being tackled - the economic impact, the social isolation and worry with likely increases in mental health problems/suicides, plus the lack of exercise for many and long-term health problems that will cause - the more I'm beginning to think that the expert's "cure" for this virus could be worse than the virus itself. Particularly if these measures last all year, as many suggest they will. 

No way will the economy "come roaring back" as Mr Blobby suggests, once a vaccine is developed. We're looking at deep, deep economic hardship and a very slow recovery.

I agree with much of this. My big worry - and this isn't a criticism of any particular government but the general approach - is that there doesn't seem to be much of a long-term plan beyond hoping we get a vaccine. I have an underlying health condition and am now going to be moving back to Bristol with my Mum for twelve weeks because of the difficulty in cutting down social contact in shared accommodation. It is going to have a massive psychological effect on me and various other people. I have a full time job, which luckily I can do from home, but it is still a massive ask to do a job that involves a lot of networking without doing any networking whilst living with your Mum.

But, after those twelve weeks? What then? My guess is it will be extended but, if it isn't, then the virus might come back. Maybe then it is possible to identify, track and shut down a second outbreak before it escalates but, if not, we're straight back to square one again. And there are few small businesses in the hospitality or entertainment industries that could survive a three month shutdown, let alone a year one if it comes to that.

We are doing a massive amount of damage to society at the moment and, whilst we may not have a choice, the world is going to look very different when we come out of the other side.

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11 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Is there anyone left who really cares about when the football season restarts? Surely this has all got a bit bigger than sport 

It’s also much bigger than politics.

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56 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

At least I don't run a restaurant. :blush2:

I can't help but think this "only test people if they've come back from abroad or know they've been in contact with people who have" is a cheapo way of trying to hide that they just do not have the resources to do so. South Korea at one time was the world's most infected country and what they did was test anyone who thought they had symptoms, if positive test those who were known to come into contact with them, and if those are positive test those in contact with THEM and so on. The rigorous testing regime and isolation of those with covid-19 has successfully slowed the progress of the virus right down there.  Over here, we have umpteen people who have no idea if they have the virus or not and we are relying on no one basically doing anything for the foreseeable for it just to vanish. Which seems very optimistic.

 

A bloke from the industry talking on R4 this morning said it was highly unlikely most hospitality industry outlets would have insurance that paid out even if they were legally ordered to shut, and even for those that did, the delay in payouts would mean they still wouldn't have the cash-flow to continue paying staff. He said yesterday's announcement effectively made 1 million redundant. Numerous pubs and restaurants are likely to never re-open and parts of our heritage and the UK we know could be lost forever.  :crying:

 

The more I think about the way this is being tackled - the economic impact, the social isolation and worry with likely increases in mental health problems/suicides, plus the lack of exercise for many and long-term health problems that will cause - the more I'm beginning to think that the expert's "cure" for this virus could be worse than the virus itself. Particularly if these measures last all year, as many suggest they will. 

No way will the economy "come roaring back" as Mr Blobby suggests, once a vaccine is developed. We're looking at deep, deep economic hardship and a very slow recovery.

If "Mr Bobby" gives the population what might well be the stark reality about the future then the mental health and suicide issues you mention could well rocket. 

As Jack Nicholson said in A Few Good "you want the truth - you can't handle the truth!" 

 

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32 minutes ago, wood_red said:

eBay should be removing all adverts that are cashing in on this (according to their own T&Cs), this is where I do get very cynical though - the higher the prices due to demand then the more money they make from the sellers....

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I've just had an email from Sky saying they're going to increase my subscription by £5 a month. It's pretty poor timing given that there is absolutely nothing on TV at the moment aside from Coronavirus news coverage! 

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1 minute ago, Coppello said:

I've just had an email from Sky saying they're going to increase my subscription by £5 a month. It's pretty poor timing given that there is absolutely nothing on TV at the moment aside from Coronavirus news coverage! 

they asked me for £60 to downgrade my package by removing sport!

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6 minutes ago, Markman said:
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I am sort of hoping that some of the bids on some items are just not real per se, and certain accounts are bidding stupidly on purpose to pee off the seller, so they just won't pay at the end of the auction.

To try and get people to pay just isn't worth the hassle, even though it is so say "a binding contract". The scummy seller then has to start over again.

Shame eBay haven't got a simple algorithm that can just make some items buy it now only (sanitisers, toilet rolls etc), and at a maximum price per item. It could easily be done. They way it is at the moment with auctions is the seller will say they haven't put an inflated price on the items themselves.

 

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