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The Coronavirus and its impact on sport

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6 hours ago, wood_red said:

Do we have enough kits to test everyone?

If not, where do we get them all from?

Do you want us to test every person within the UK?

If so when, where and how many staff are required to test everyone safely?

I have had a bad cough for a week, but no temperature, so I may well have it but with milder symptoms - where would I go in the queue for testing? Is it safe for me to go and get tested? 

 

 

Exactly. Im 35, not in any danger age and don't have any underlying health concerns. If I do develop a cough/fever, the last thing I would want to do if hop on over to my local hospital or gp to get tested. To potentially infect others? Erm no, I will self isolate. 

Anyway this country is looking ****** as it stands. And not because of anything Boris has or has not done imo. Its the idiots that are so brain dead they do not understand the gravity of the situation. Its so sad to think that this country will have to impose literal martial law because there are idiots out there that don't give a damn or are to stupid to understand that this isn't some stupid little virus. 

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3 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I hope I get a bloody knighthood after all this has passed,Sir Joe Jordan’s teeth has a ring to it 

Not through the nose I hope.

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1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I hope I get a bloody knighthood after all this has passed,Sir Joe Jordan’s teeth has a ring to it 

What will happen is they will say thanks, then either do 1 of 3 things. Make us unemployed as the economy is screwed,  reduce our salary because the economy is screwed or keep us under austerity measures that we have been under for years because the economy is screwed.. But that's okay  because you can sit in a crowded un sanitised office making sure people get paid and get their pensions or research Grant's while they buy up all the food while you are at work or dont take any of it seriously.

 

I have got to say I am getting pretty pissed off with some of the behaviour I am seeing

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8 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Exactly. Im 35, not in any danger age and don't have any underlying health concerns. If I do develop a cough/fever, the last thing I would want to do if hop on over to my local hospital or gp to get tested. To potentially infect others? Erm no, I will self isolate. 

Anyway this country is looking ****** as it stands. And not because of anything Boris has or has not done imo. Its the idiots that are so brain dead they do not understand the gravity of the situation. Its so sad to think that this country will have to impose literal martial law because there are idiots out there that don't give a damn or are to stupid to understand that this isn't some stupid little virus. 

I’m afraid it’s the culture of the benifits system and that’s a government fault by both parties,I know people who haven’t worked a day in their life and will never do because it’s cushty who have popped down Devon because it’s cheap as hell now 

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2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I’m afraid it’s the culture of the benifits system and that’s a government fault by both parties,I know people who haven’t worked a day in their life and will never do because it’s cushty who have popped down Devon because it’s cheap as hell now 

Really don't get that. I was out of work about 9 years ago for a month because I was made redundant and the jobcentre was a living hell. Made me feel tiny and like I was worthless. And that was just the person I had to see that made me feel like that. 

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9 minutes ago, TRL said:

What will happen is they will say thanks, then either do 1 of 3 things. Make us unemployed as the economy is screwed,  reduce our salary because the economy is screwed or keep us under austerity measures that we have been under for years because the economy is screwed.. But that's okay  because you can sit in a crowded un sanitised office making sure people get paid and get their pensions or research Grant's while they buy up all the food while you are at work or dont take any of it seriously.

 

I have got to say I am getting pretty pissed off with some of the behaviour I am seeing

F it,I’m ringing the boss tomorrow and saying I got the symptoms (I won’t because I’m not a arsehole)

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2 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Really don't get that. I was out of work about 9 years ago for a month because I was made redundant and the jobcentre was a living hell. Made me feel tiny and like I was worthless. And that was just the person I had to see that made me feel like that. 

That’s because your a working man and lucky for me I have never been made redundant so far but I would feel the same as you did but if you have never worked and don’t want to then they don’t get that feeling 

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7 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

That’s because your a working man and lucky for me I have never been made redundant so far but I would feel the same as you did but if you have never worked and don’t want to then they don’t get that feeling 

It wasn't just my own sense of pride. The guy literally made me feel like garbage from the start. And I hate to run through hoops for the tiny amount I was getting for the few weeks I was looking for a job. It was insane, and nothing I will put myself through again. 

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31 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Exactly. Im 35, not in any danger age and don't have any underlying health concerns. If I do develop a cough/fever, the last thing I would want to do if hop on over to my local hospital or gp to get tested. To potentially infect others? Erm no, I will self isolate. 

 

You wouldn't hop over to your GP anyway. If you have the symptoms use the NHS 111 website to self-report or ring 111 and they decide whether you need to be tested or indeed need any specialist treatment.

TBH if I was in that situation I'd be keen to know, as if I was ruled out  I wouldn't have to isolate from others in the household and I'd know I still had no antibodies for Covid-19. If I was tested positive, I could warn the people I'd been in contact with and the places I'd been in the last 14 days.

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4 minutes ago, SX227 said:

Quick answer - 'Spanish Flu' was believed to originate in Texas from WW1 vets  - of hispanic origin.

Healthcare was non-existent as the war crippled millions upon millions of troops and civillians - anti-biotics were just being invented.

Spanish Flu killed between 50 - 100 million worldwide

As with COViD 19 - the figures here will be vague - did the old lady die from the virus or her 25 yrs of asthma damage?

Unless tested you'll never know, and we don't have enough kits for the living let alone the dead.

In Western Europe - the answer is simply - no.

There is enough healthcare to limit the damage - but 250,000 dead would not be unexpected at the end.

USA will be lethal for the uninsured and highly populated poor countries like India and Pakistan, African nations will be decimated.

I would honestly expect the toll in those countries to be in the millions by the end - but again, we will never know for sure.

3rd world, poor Islamic countries will be the worst as they simply will not adhere to any kind of instruction if it involves Allah.

Iran probably has 100,000 dead (again we will never know, but videos and satellite imagery shows over-flowing morgues and vast areas of pits and piles of lime......) - but again, led by the lunatic Imans Iranians have attacked and overpowered security and massed at religions sites to kiss icons one after the other in their thousands.

It's suicide frankly, but thats religion for you.

So, overall I'd say 'Western' level healthcare countries with strong social control over the population movement will do the best (although look at you guys in the pubs, and us Australians having to put armed troops on beaches to stop the ####### idiots massing in the thousands)

Next level - USA

Then semi-developed nations like Mexico,Georgia,Thailand 

Bottom of the pile - as I said above, poor countries that put religion above health care.  The death toll WILL be in the millions by the end in those places.

 

For the Wealthy west, after the virus, prepare for the worst poverty since WW2.

 

 

We have now have had to put armed Police in Supermarkets as workers have been stabbed and assaulted, and pensioners bashed in the car parks.

Some f uckwit stole all boxes of sanitiser and 90% of our high-protection masks from Theatre/ICU stores yesterday.

I am currently working using the same mask with sanitary menstrual pads changed every case.

I'm not a real fan of people at the moment - this is really bringing out the worst in some. One of our nurses was bashed unconcious because she wouldn't let someone with a cough and temp into ICU before staff and security could get to her.

24 years old, probably infected and sick herself, and now needs plates and screws to put her face back together, before her missing teeth can be put back.

Trying to help people.

I honestly despair at society today.

Sorry - I'm tired and pissed off.

I'm back again working tonight, but I can say that we do appear to have slowed the virus here (just slowed it) - but if our PM grew a pair and implemented full lockdown for 6-8 weeks, we could actually stop it.  

I have little confidence he will.

I need sleep. I'll answer anymore questions when I get some time (if anyone cares!)

 

Take care of yourself and keep up the good work which is much appreciated by normal folk

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6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

You wouldn't hop over to your GP anyway. If you have the symptoms used the NHS 111 website to self-report or ring 111 and they decide whether you need to be tested or indeed need any specialist treatment.

TBH if I was in that situation I'd be keen to know, as if I was ruled out  I wouldn't have to isolate from others in the household and I'd know I still had no antibodies for Covid-19. If I was tested positive, I could warn the people I'd been in contact with and the places I'd been in the last 14 days.

But how would I be tested? Would they come to me?

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7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

You wouldn't hop over to your GP anyway. If you have the symptoms used the NHS 111 website to self-report or ring 111 and they decide whether you need to be tested or indeed need any specialist treatment.

TBH if I was in that situation I'd be keen to know, as if I was ruled out  I wouldn't have to isolate from others in the household and I'd know I still had no antibodies for Covid-19. If I was tested positive, I could warn the people I'd been in contact with and the places I'd been in the last 14 days.

If I had a fever and cough I would self isolate and warn others regardless of knowing for definite or not. Id assume its the worst. I certainly wouldn't want to have others near me to test me just in case. 

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2 minutes ago, Atticus said:

But how would I be tested? Would they come to me?

They do. I think another option is self-test kits that are being rolled out, but only for people who definitely seem as though they are likely to have it.

Of course, at present, we're still upping our capacity to test, but when we get  25K tests a day capacity - and if you were really unwell - they'd likely get to you.

Right now, I expect they'd probably tell you to isolate within your house and contact again if you deteriorated. 

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8 minutes ago, Atticus said:

It wasn't just my own sense of pride. The guy literally made me feel like garbage from the start. And I hate to run through hoops for the tiny amount I was getting for the few weeks I was looking for a job. It was insane, and nothing I will put myself through again. 

I was the same as you 35 years of continuous employment through no fault of my own was made redundant, made to jump through hoops for £65 a week job seekers allowance (it was 10 years ago) when I think of the lazy Bast***s that had made a lifestyle choice to never work a day in their lives and lived a comfortable life with all their rent paid and 50 inch flat screen TVs ( I know because I had to wake some of them up at 10 o clock to fit their new balconies was the point I lost all faith in the system.

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3 minutes ago, bcfcfinker said:

Yep. Im just amazed at the amounts of selfish pricks out there. Flouting the advice and stockpiling like crazy. Its depressing how many dumb idiots are in this country. The sad thing is, the people that are screwed over are the people that are sensible. 

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1 hour ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Too late and if we had double or treble the capacity, we’d still get overwhelmed.  No matter who we had in government for the last 20 years, we would still be under prepared for this.

Political point scoring and claiming to know more than the scientific advisors is just postulating on a forum at this time.

We are in the shit, we would have been in the shit if Labour had won the election, if the Lib Dem’s or anyone else had won it.  When you see the amounts of people today at the beach, Snowdonia and many other places, maybe nature is right to have a clear out......

Why did the government bother to plan at all or shut down the country if we were in the shit anyway? This is what your argument sounds like to me. To be fair it’s not far off the governments original strategy. Reacting  quicker = saving thousands.

Also by the way the people who will die from the virus won’t just be those who ignored the governments flimsy advice. It will be front line workers and their families, so it isn’t nature having a clear out of the stupid. 

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3 minutes ago, pillred said:

I was the same as you 35 years of continuous employment through no fault of my own was made redundant, made to jump through hoops for £65 a week job seekers allowance (it was 10 years ago) when I think of the lazy Bast***s that had made a lifestyle choice to never work a day in their lives and lived a comfortable life with all their rent paid and 50 inch flat screen TVs ( I know because I had to wake some of them up at 10 o clock to fit their new balconies was the point I lost all faith in the system.

Yep. If im made redundant again, the last place il ever go is the jobcentre. This is why I don't get how deadbeat bums can sponge off the benefit system. When I was made to feel like a total social pariah and had to jump through insane hoops to get my £60 for 4 weeks, how are some living off it and not having it revoked?!?!

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6 minutes ago, bcfcfinker said:

I heard someone mention buying kitchen roll the other week I instantly thought of “fatbergs” in London. 

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16 minutes ago, pillred said:

I was the same as you 35 years of continuous employment through no fault of my own was made redundant, made to jump through hoops for £65 a week job seekers allowance (it was 10 years ago) when I think of the lazy Bast***s that had made a lifestyle choice to never work a day in their lives and lived a comfortable life with all their rent paid and 50 inch flat screen TVs ( I know because I had to wake some of them up at 10 o clock to fit their new balconies was the point I lost all faith in the system.

 

13 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Yep. If im made redundant again, the last place il ever go is the jobcentre. This is why I don't get how deadbeat bums can sponge off the benefit system. When I was made to feel like a total social pariah and had to jump through insane hoops to get my £60 for 4 weeks, how are some living off it and not having it revoked?!?!

But wouldn’t you both rather the system was still generous and not punitive? That losing a job meant you had the security to either re-train or properly look for a new job without the financial anxiety? That’s how the system works in other countries still. There’s better ways to incentivise people to find work. It’s not like they were ever that generous unless you factored in social housing and child benefits. 


Not to mention the disabled people this government have killed through pip assessments. I don’t even know how anyone can claim UC right now considering you have to go for a face to face interview. 

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6 minutes ago, Odysseus said:

 

But wouldn’t you both rather the system was still generous and not punitive? That losing a job meant you had the security to either re-train or properly look for a new job without the financial anxiety? That’s how the system works in other countries still. There’s better ways to incentivise people to find work. It’s not like they were ever that generous unless you factored in social housing and child benefits. 


Not to mention the disabled people this government have killed through pip assessments. I don’t even know how anyone can claim UC right now considering you have to go for a face to face interview. 

I would like a system where people that have lost their job, were treated respectfully. The benefit system should absolutely be there for people that have been made redundant and have fallen on hard times. Unfortunately there is this nasty stigma attached to it, from people abusing that system. 

That stigma appears to have reached the jobcentre and the employees themselves. 

The system needs to be harsher on people that clearly don't have any intention on finding a job, and kinder towards those that have lost theirs. That was not my experience. I was brushed with the same brush as someone that's never had a job in his life. 

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22 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Yep. Im just amazed at the amounts of selfish pricks out there. Flouting the advice and stockpiling like crazy. Its depressing how many dumb idiots are in this country. The sad thing is, the people that are screwed over are the people that are sensible. 

No better time to bring up flagpole sitta lyrics “been around the world to find that only stupid people are breeding,the cretins cloning and feeding”

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And yet pretty much the only country we'll have gone into lockdown later than (after 10 days of first death) will be Italy.... Claims of how important it is yet pubs/restaurants only stopped yesterday everything else still advisory until last couple of days allowing people to still go ie gyms etc. Warn people all you want but while they're still 'allowed' to go about their normal routine a number of people still will regardless of how it effects others.

 

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4 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

No better time to bring up flagpole sitta lyrics “been around the world to find that only stupid people are breeding,the cretins cloning and feeding”

 

Also note that if you're "not sick" but you're "not well", you should definitely self-isolate.  

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Just think of the poor sods that work on the checkout on supermarkets. I work in care, so I cant work from home and my pay is rubbish. But the people that work in the supermarkets are exposed to hundreds/thousands of people per day. For not a great wage. Potentially putting themselves and their loved ones at risk. While people much better paid get to work from home, or get their salary of up to £2,500 a month paid for being home. Its so lop sided its sad. 

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1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I’m afraid it’s the culture of the benifits system and that’s a government fault by both parties,I know people who haven’t worked a day in their life and will never do because it’s cushty who have popped down Devon because it’s cheap as hell now 

**** me these people must be incredibly intelligent. where are they off to for the summer, Bigbury ,Prawl point Salcome. ?

Maybe not probably can only afford Dawlish.

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17 hours ago, walnutroof said:

Could be slightly encouraging news

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15 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

So despite Italy being two weeks ahead of us we learnt nothing in those two weeks and are now tracking them. Great

The one statistic I have bought into from the start is that approximately 60% of the world's population will probably contract a mild to fatal covid 19. Nothing we do will change that approximate percentage. You will likely see a world average of around 0.5% dying which is five times that of flu. Long way to go but these are my informed estimates based on the past, what we know and what I am reading and watching in informed quarters, i hasten to add, and not in the highly politicised arena.

6 hours ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

and if the Toilet Roll shortage keeps going, I'll be popping down Tesco for a dump

As others have said perhaps it is time, after all of this, to invest in washing with a B day or an adapted toilet. I have been doing it for 30 years. I love a good blast and feel nice and clean afterwards :) 

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5 hours ago, reddoh said:

to be honest Dave when the experts said the young fit and healthy wouldn't be affected what did they think the young fit and healthy were going to do. experts can be ***** too it's not an exclusive club. 

It was reported that there were more than 300,000 people on Bondi Beach in Sydney on Saturday. If any of you know this famous beach it is not very big. The 300,000 people on the beach blatantly ignored the government warnings that a safe distance must be kept across all states and territories across Australia between all people. As of tomorrow NSW , Victoria and the ACT are planning to implement what you have now in the UK where only essential services and companies Iike supply chains, hospital staff, pharmacies, fuel stations can only open. I understand the restrictions now in place that were implemented over the past four days are difficult for all as my mum, sibling and my wife’s families are all in bristol or close by. Us in Australia will have the same in the next 48 to 72 hours. Our son and his family live in the Northern Territory of oz and the NT close their borders on Tuesday evening . On this note I leave you all with the best of luck over the next few months and look forward to all of us coming out of this. Family first. BCFC second.

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1 hour ago, havanatopia said:

 

The one statistic I have bought into from the start is that approximately 60% of the world's population will probably contract a mild to fatal covid 19. Nothing we do will change that approximate percentage. You will likely see a world average of around 0.5% dying which is five times that of flu. Long way to go but these are my informed estimates based on the past, what we know and what I am reading and watching in informed quarters, i hasten to add, and not in the highly politicised arena.

As others have said perhaps it is time, after all of this, to invest in washing with a B day or an adapted toilet. I have been doing it for 30 years. I love a good blast and feel nice and clean afterwards :) 

Those Japanese ones are awesome you could happily spent longer on it than you need to and then hardly need any toilet paper if at all 

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Another attempt of a positive spin, if you’ve had this since Christmas you could’ve already had the virus and you have a pretty good immune system, on the negative side it’s another reason to need to self isolate if you get that now 

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30 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

Those Japanese ones are awesome you could happily spent longer on it than you need to and then hardly need any toilet paper if at all 

They most certainly are. Well worth buying one and take up no extra space. A quick adaptation of the existing Ideal Standard is also possible. Definitely the way forward. I shall be on line with these on eBay asap!

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6 hours ago, Atticus said:

Just think of the poor sods that work on the checkout on supermarkets. I work in care, so I cant work from home and my pay is rubbish. But the people that work in the supermarkets are exposed to hundreds/thousands of people per day. For not a great wage. Potentially putting themselves and their loved ones at risk. While people much better paid get to work from home, or get their salary of up to £2,500 a month paid for being home. Its so lop sided its sad. 

This is great concern of mine. All well and good allowing elderly and vulnerable exclusive shopping times, and now NHS workers are joining the list, byt they are all going to shops and being served by workers who have had a huge amount of people through the rest of the time. Yes shops are cleaned, but not deep cleaned every couple of hours which would be what is needed but impossible to carry out.

In short the most at risk people, and the people we most need are going into one of the places most likely to be infected from. But we all need to eat.

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3 hours ago, havanatopia said:

 

The one statistic I have bought into from the start is that approximately 60% of the world's population will probably contract a mild to fatal covid 19. Nothing we do will change that approximate percentage. You will likely see a world average of around 0.5% dying which is five times that of flu. Long way to go but these are my informed estimates based on the past, what we know and what I am reading and watching in informed quarters, i hasten to add, and not in the highly politicised arena.

Two points:

1) the general consensus amongst scientists and medical experts seems to be the 60% would not necessarily happen with social distancing. The 60% figure was the expectation of initial mitigation strategies - which have been abandoned due to point 2) below - but governments across the world, including the UK are desperate to prevent that happening.

2) the Wuhan death rate dropped considerably both because they had the knowledge and space to quickly build hospitals and find extra beds. One of the likely Italy has a very high death rate is because intensive care beds are overwhelmed so people who could otherwise have been saved are not being saved. The 0.5% figure could be accurate but only if people get the care they need. If the hospitals get swamped by huge numbers of figures at the same time then the figures would go up, as would deaths from accidents and other non-Corona virus related health conditions due to that same lack of beds.

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13 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

No.

Once again, his advisors (Chief medic and Vallance) said its possible that 20k-50k could die and anything under 20k would be a result.

They have never mentioned 250k.

That is someone else.

A potential 230, 000 deaths was the figure in the Imperial College report that the government based its decision to ask people to avoid pubs, clubs etc on. Up until Friday 13th, they were following a mitigation strategy but the report suggested that could lead to 230, 000 deaths, hence subsequent moves toward the suppression strategy adopted by other countries.

Also worth mentioning in early March, Chris Whittey (Chief Medical Officer) talked of 350, 00 potential deaths and an aim to reduce that by 20% to 30%. This was before the Imperial College Report said the deaths could be cut to 20, 000 with a suppression strategy.

The government are now talking about the figures you mention but both Chris Whittey and the reports the government is following have both mentioned the figures @Roger Red Hat talks about.

They are worst case scenario figures but also possible with a high enough rate of infections - if 40 million people (a bit under 60% of the population) were infected and the mortality rate was 0.5 per 100 cases then that would be 200, 000 deaths. Both 60% infections rates and a 0.5 mortality rate are figures that have been suggested by a number  of epidemiologists so these are not implausible figures.

However they should not happen if we do follow the government advice and, if people do not, the government takes the more draconian steps that other countries have.

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9 hours ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

I have no faith in humanity doing the right thing. There are sufficient selfish w@nkers and ***ts in the world that it will eventually turn to shite again.

I work for a large American company that makes electronics for the motor industry which is non essential but still the corporate bosses won't send us home when there's money to be made when all around us BMW & Honda have been shut down. But it's all ok they've taken chairs out the canteen so only six at a time can go in and put signs up everywhere telling us how to wash our hands! 

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7 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said:

I work for a large American company that makes electronics for the motor industry which is non essential but still the corporate bosses won't send us home when there's money to be made when all around us BMW & Honda have been shut down. But it's all ok they've taken chairs out the canteen so only six at a time can go in and put signs up everywhere telling us how to wash our hands! 

Small consolation I know, but there are worse American companies you could be working for. Take Hobby Lobby for instance:

 

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5 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Small consolation I know, but there are worse American companies you could be working for. Take Hobby Lobby for instance:

 

Wow that's one selfish owner at least under normal circumstances we get looked after 

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9 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

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In fairness the vast majority of us only have to look inside our little bubble whereas they have to look at the bigger picture, that said he probably could work on his people skills a bit 

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9 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Hindsight, it’s great isn’t it.

How the hell is it hindsight? It happened two weeks ago all over europe? We followed their exact path but just two weeks behind? Constantly being told no need to over react as they are ahead of us.

The fact is we had a two week head start, and we are going to be in the exact same position is ******* ridiculous. Action was needed earlier. If other countries thought lockdown was the only answer why are we waiting till it gets really out of hand until we do the same. 

 

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9 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

It’s not a difficult calculation.

60 million population. 80% catch the virus. 1% die.

I am still amazed that people don’t understand the concept of exponential growth. If every person who catches this virus gave it to 3 people over 5 days that they were infectious, then in 100 days, 3.5 billion people would have the virus. That’s the point of isolating and quarantine. Stop the spread. Look at what happened in South Korea, Taiwan, Hong King and Singapore. If you want to stop the spread you have stop people giving it to each other, which means staying home.

I know there will be sceptics who ignore this advice and say I am doom-mongering and indulging in panic. Many on this forum will be in the high risk categories of age, sex, BMI and less than good general health. You do not want to catch this virus. If this is you, the chances of you needing intensive care and dying are high. Please take care and take the risks seriously. This has a long way to go yet. We aren’t even 1 week into Boris’s overoptimistic 12 week time frame yet.

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14 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

It’s not a difficult calculation.

60 million population. 80% catch the virus. 1% die.

I am still amazed that people don’t understand the concept of exponential growth. If every person who catches this virus gave it to 3 people over 5 days that they were infectious, then in 100 days, 3.5 billion people would have the virus. That’s the point of isolating and quarantine. Stop the spread. Look at what happened in South Korea, Taiwan, Hong King and Singapore. If you want to stop the spread you have stop people giving it to each other, which means staying home.

I know there will be sceptics who ignore this advice and say I am doom-mongering and indulging in panic. Many on this forum will be in the high risk categories of age, sex, BMI and less than good general health. You do not want to catch this virus. If this is you, the chances of you needing intensive care and dying are high. Please take care and take the risks seriously. This has a long way to go yet. We aren’t even 1 week into Boris’s overoptimistic 12 week time frame yet.

I agree , from my perspective we have a three month old baby who had open heart surgery at six weeks old. I’ve banned my partners parents from visiting, as they’ve continued to visit pubs and socialise and both work in schools as a caretaker and dinner lady. He hasn’t gone done well 

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51 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Small consolation I know, but there are worse American companies you could be working for. Take Hobby Lobby for instance:

 

If he continues to ignore medical advice and trust in his wife's visions of God to look after his company, I fear he may be a divorced atheist within a year...

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38 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

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I called Cummings' fingerprints all over this ridiculous stategy on here on the day they floated it, you could spot it a mile off from the nasty eugenics vibe.

If anyone is in any doubt how badly this government has ****** this up, all you need to know is that a completely medically inexperienced man who fancies himself as a polymath, but is in fact a blagger beyond anything but single issue political campaigning, was involved in overuling epidemiologists with decades of experience. And Johnson was listening.

Why did no other country try to go down the insane herd immunity route? Because no other government would listen to such a pound shop Machiavelli and put dogma before science.

 

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35 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said:

How the hell is it hindsight? It happened two weeks ago all over europe? We followed their exact path but just two weeks behind? Constantly being told no need to over react as they are ahead of us.

The fact is we had a two week head start, and we are going to be in the exact same position is ******* ridiculous. Action was needed earlier. If other countries thought lockdown was the only answer why are we waiting till it gets really out of hand until we do the same. 

 

Exactly. We were warned of this and ignored it. That isn't anything to do with hindsight. It is simply arrogance that, despite all evidence to the threat posed, our country was an exception. 

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9 hours ago, Atticus said:

Exactly. Im 35, not in any danger age and don't have any underlying health concerns. If I do develop a cough/fever, the last thing I would want to do if hop on over to my local hospital or gp to get tested. To potentially infect others? Erm no, I will self isolate. 

Anyway this country is looking ****** as it stands. And not because of anything Boris has or has not done imo. Its the idiots that are so brain dead they do not understand the gravity of the situation. Its so sad to think that this country will have to impose literal martial law because there are idiots out there that don't give a damn or are to stupid to understand that this isn't some stupid little virus. 

Good points you make and I'll also add that bored kids are starting to congregate in groups on cycles or playing in the small play grounds who have no idea of the situation and it's upto their parents to educate them if not keep them inside 

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Did I just hear that right on sky news. Easy jet going cap in hand to government for money to stay afloat.. but still paying a massive dividend payout to shareholders!  Really Jesus ******* Christ how the hell can they justify that!

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The BBC online had a story recently around a prediction that 60% may be infected and 0.5% fatalties. That could be 200,00 of which the majority will be older people with other conditions. These are people they stated who could quite possibly have died in the next year or two anyway. 600,000 die in the uk annually in a typical year. 

All those stats make me wonder if trashing the economy is really the logical response. When NICE look at recommending a new treatment on the NHS they look at the cost compared to the benefit i. e. how many years of qualty life is delivered by spending £X. 

Why is that logic, which has contributed to controlling healthcare spending for many years, suddenly being abandoned? If this new logic, in terms of what we are prepared to spend to save lives,  carries on once this is over we will probably need to quadruple the nhs budget! 

To me it feels as if all the normal logic around what we should spend on healthcare has been turned on its head in a mass panic. It felt like our govt was reacting quite logically initially, accepting that it is inevitable that the majority of people will eventually get it, whatever. However as other countries lockdown they couldn't politically resist the pressure to follow suit. 

If 200,000 end up dying anyway and on top of that a million jobs are lost and the national debt rockets then will we look back and think the govt did a good job in this crisis?

On the other hand if, by some miracle, there are only 20,000 more deaths than usual will we be prepared to carry on spending at this same rate on the nhs budget to deliver the same kind of reduction in the normal death rate. I'm sure if we doubled the spend we could buy an extra year or two, on average, for those 600k dying every year. 

I doubt it - which suggests to me we have ditched the logic we use in normal times and are just reacting to mass panic. 

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15 hours ago, Lew-T said:

Stop talking political bollocks. It’s so tiresome. They’re doing all they can and no different to what any other party could do in their position.

Can we leave out the politics? Had ******* 3 years of it...

This attitude utterly baffles me. What the Hell do people think politics is if it isn't running the country and making the appropriate decisions in a national crisis.

Of course it is going to be about politics. I agree other parties could have made similar errors but Boris Johnson has chosen to be leader of the Conservative party and wanted to be Prime Minister and being prime minister means being ultimately accountable for the timing and choice of decisions taken.

Over the coming week, some people will lose people they love. Other people will be very ill in hospital. People may lose their businesses or their jobs or struggle for food and basic essentials. Other older and vulnerable people (myself included) are spending at least twelve weeks - probably longer - isolated at home whilst the government gets this under control.

All of these people will be the people who ultimately will decide how political this gets. It will be the choice of the people who lose people or things that they cannot replace through this - not the choice of people on Internet forums who find criticism of the government for not following global health advice a trifle inconvenient. 

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