The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

[Red-Robbo]

9 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Why would you post a link to nothing more than a personal opinions left wing blog? We know your opinion and it's respected but tagging on someone else's who has the same thoughts is supposed to do what exactly?

It isn't particularly a "left-wing blog". Saying taxation should be fair isn't a "left-wing" thing. We should all want that.

I tagged it, because I didn't have time to set out in full why Sunak's measures sound great, but are much less practical than the measures taking in other countries. The writer does.

Rather than launch an ad hominem attack on it as "left-wing" why not read it and if you have some arguments against what he's saying make them.

I don't think getting struggling small businesses into large debts that will ultimately only benefit the cocooned banking sector is much of a response. It'll certainly hamper any recovery once the virus lockdown ends. Small firms will be too busy paying off this loan to expand and grow.

 

[Odysseus]

48 minutes ago, wood_red said:

A genuine question to you, what should the Government have done or be doing and at what timelines? It seems every post is just a "have a go at the Government", when they are pretty much in a lose lose situation. The situation is changing by the hour so how can they foresee everything? They are basically following what advice the Scientists and experts are advising them to do - they do that and people will have a go, if they don't do that people will have a go.

Maybe we should have just shut the borders 2 months ago, stopped everyone outside the UK coming in which would massively have helped wouldn't it? Everyone would then be moaning that it was over the top and not feasible. It is a crazy situation that will never please everyone with whatever decisions are made.

Sorry but the government haven’t been “following the science” it’s a massive excuse. Herd immunity along with reacting at the last hour to help the economy have clearly been unacceptable gambles. They weren’t even testing people at airports in the midst of the crisis! 

I know this country has such low standards and faith in itself that it rewards complete incompetence and cronyism in the governments it elects and then pretends we’re world leaders in areas. But Islands like Japan and Singapore have completely halted the spread of this virus.

Its obvious the actions they should have taken 2 weeks ago now. I think there is an inherent issue here also. After Brexit and the most recent election half of us despises this lying government and prime minister. You can’t expect people to suddenly trust people who have lied time and time again. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Odysseus

[downendcity]

25 minutes ago, wood_red said:

A genuine question to you, what should the Government have done or be doing and at what timelines? It seems every post is just a "have a go at the Government", when they are pretty much in a lose lose situation. The situation is changing by the hour so how can they foresee everything? They are basically following what advice the Scientists and experts are advising them to do - they do that and people will have a go, if they don't do that people will have a go.

Maybe we should have just shut the borders 2 months ago, stopped everyone outside the UK coming in which would massively have helped wouldn't it? Everyone would then be moaning that it was over the top and not feasible. It is a crazy situation that will never please everyone with whatever decisions are made.

I've mentioned this before ( but with regard to another Johnson and what he says!).

Saw a you tube video recently where a guy was talking-to students at American Universities, following Trump's State of the Union address.He gave them quotes made by the president and asked their reaction.

The students were obviously liberal left politically, so all of them were equally scathing of the president's remarks - racist, warmongering, anti woman etc. The sting in the tale came when the interviewer explained that all the quotes were made by Obama when he was president! One student then excused ,that Obama sent 3,000 troops to police the Mexican border because she was "certain that the context would have justified Obama doing it". Another student honestly answered that his judgement was based entirely on the man and not what was said.

Think this applies a lot at the moment, as I wonder how much of the criticism is because of who is making the statements ( and the party he represents) rather then the statements themselves. Also BJ's critics make the assumption that because we might be doing things differently from other countries it is them that have got it right and we that are doing it wrong. Unfortunately no one really knows the best way to tackle this situation as there is no precedent and, as you say, BJ is acting on the best medical and scientific advice available. Unfortunately BJ cannot legislate for the population acting like idiots!

The one thing I'm absolutely certain of, is that the absolute selfishness being demonstrated by those that are emptying supermarket shelves of essentials is not what my late parent's generation were fighting to achieve when they went through the second world war. making far greater sacrifices than will be required of any of us. 

 

 

[RedorDead BCFC]

1 hour ago, Vincent Vega said:

This is years old

But it has to true, its on Facebook everything on there is true isn't it?? 

[E.G.Red]

2 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

This^

Went to the supermarket last Sunday was pleasantly surprised by the amount and range of goods they had in stock, so I did a usual shop wrongly believing that the selfish had got everything they would need and had gone home.

Appears people are still at it. Why!!!! 

Pleased to see that supermarkets are putting limits on things now, but it should never have come to that.

I was in ASDA this morning buying a newspaper. Clear signs saying max of 3 of any one item. A women puts 12 cans of potatoes in her trolley,  I told her limit was 3 of any item but she just ignored me and carried on adding another 4 cans. Everyone was looking at her and her partner/husband was looking slightly embarrassed.  Great when she got to the till and they would only sell her the 3 tins. 

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Odysseus said:

Sorry but the government haven’t been “following the science” it’s a massive excuse. Herd immunity along with reacting at the last hour to help the economy have clearly been unacceptable gambles. They weren’t even testing people at airports in the midst of the crisis! 

I know this country has such low standards and faith in itself that it rewards complete incompetence and cronyism in the governments it elects and then pretends we’re world leaders in areas. But Islands like Japan and Singapore have completely halted the spread of this virus.

Its obvious the actions they should have taken 2 weeks ago now. I think there is an inherent issue here also. After Brexit and the most recent election half of us despises this lying government and prime minister. You can’t expect people to suddenly trust people who have lied time and time again. 

So it is obvious now what they should have done 2 weeks ago (unless I am reading that wrong)? Surely that is massively in hindsight isn't it?

Sums it up nicely - you despise the Government/PM because of Brexit therefore can't trust them, that is your prerogative so in turn everything they do now is wrong in your eyes, as you cannot look at it objectively.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, downendcity said:

I've mentioned this before ( but with regard to another Johnson and what he says!).

Saw a you tube video recently where a guy was talking-to students at American Universities, following Trump's State of the Union address.He gave them quotes made by the president and asked their reaction.

The students were obviously liberal left politically, so all of them were equally scathing of the president's remarks - racist, warmongering, anti woman etc. The sting in the tale came when the interviewer explained that all the quotes were made by Obama when he was president! One student then excused ,that Obama sent 3,000 troops to police the Mexican border because she was "certain that the context would have justified Obama doing it". Another student honestly answered that his judgement was based entirely on the man and not what was said.

Think this applies a lot at the moment, as I wonder how much of the criticism is because of who is making the statements ( and the party he represents) rather then the statements themselves. Also BJ's critics make the assumption that because we might be doing things differently from other countries it is them that have got it right and we that are doing it wrong. Unfortunately no one really knows the best way to tackle this situation as there is no precedent and, as you say, BJ is acting on the best medical and scientific advice available. Unfortunately BJ cannot legislate for the population acting like idiots!

The one thing I'm absolutely certain of, is that the absolute selfishness being demonstrated by those that are emptying supermarket shelves of essentials is not what my late parent's generation were fighting to achieve when they went through the second world war. making far greater sacrifices than will be required of any of us. 

 

 

Plenty will do that, many won't. It would also work the other way if it Corbyn was doing the same.

Regarding the first part it isn't a surprise is it, I have seen numerous things like that.

[Red-Robbo]

15 minutes ago, E.G.Red said:

I was in ASDA this morning buying a newspaper. Clear signs saying max of 3 of any one item. A women puts 12 cans of potatoes in her trolley,  I told her limit was 3 of any item but she just ignored me and carried on adding another 4 cans. Everyone was looking at her and her partner/husband was looking slightly embarrassed.  Great when she got to the till and they would only sell her the 3 tins. 

If only they could also develop a vaccine for stupidity. The world would run a lot more smoothly, eh.

[Odysseus]

33 minutes ago, downendcity said:

I've mentioned this before ( but with regard to another Johnson and what he says!).

Saw a you tube video recently where a guy was talking-to students at American Universities, following Trump's State of the Union address.He gave them quotes made by the president and asked their reaction.

The students were obviously liberal left politically, so all of them were equally scathing of the president's remarks - racist, warmongering, anti woman etc. The sting in the tale came when the interviewer explained that all the quotes were made by Obama when he was president! One student then excused ,that Obama sent 3,000 troops to police the Mexican border because she was "certain that the context would have justified Obama doing it". Another student honestly answered that his judgement was based entirely on the man and not what was said.

Think this applies a lot at the moment, as I wonder how much of the criticism is because of who is making the statements ( and the party he represents) rather then the statements themselves. Also BJ's critics make the assumption that because we might be doing things differently from other countries it is them that have got it right and we that are doing it wrong. Unfortunately no one really knows the best way to tackle this situation as there is no precedent and, as you say, BJ is acting on the best medical and scientific advice available. Unfortunately BJ cannot legislate for the population acting like idiots!

The one thing I'm absolutely certain of, is that the absolute selfishness being demonstrated by those that are emptying supermarket shelves of essentials is not what my late parent's generation were fighting to achieve when they went through the second world war. making far greater sacrifices than will be required of any of us. 

 

 

I posted a link earlier today you should read. In the blitz there were exactly the same behaviour in a class ridden society. Looting, raping, stripping dead bodies. You’ve just been sedated in believing everything was rosey and everyone was as “in it together” because it helped paint a strong narrative post-war about our country.

[One Team In Keynsham]

2 hours ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

You need Facebook to see this 

 

 

Looks more tragic than the fight scene in Bridget Jones' Diary

[And Its Smith]

19 minutes ago, wood_red said:

So it is obvious now what they should have done 2 weeks ago (unless I am reading that wrong)? Surely that is massively in hindsight isn't it?

Sums it up nicely - you despise the Government/PM because of Brexit therefore can't trust them, that is your prerogative so in turn everything they do now is wrong in your eyes, as you cannot look at it objectively.

So your original question wasn’t really genuine at all.  The government has made mistakes.  That’s quite hard to deny.  Up to each individual how forgiving they are for those mistakes.  WHO said that our approach was wrong for a few days and we then changed our approach.  The WHO were not talking in hindsight.  
 

[One Team In Keynsham]

2 hours ago, Super said:

In the NHS region of South West , there are a total of 117 confirmed cases.

This includes:

 

• Bristol - 12 (up from eight yesterday)
• North Somerset - four (up from three)
• South Gloucestershire - nine (up from six)
• Bath and North East Somerset - three

Do you have the web link to this source? Interested to see/keep eyes on the numbers for South Somerset.

[Odysseus]

25 minutes ago, wood_red said:

So it is obvious now what they should have done 2 weeks ago (unless I am reading that wrong)? Surely that is massively in hindsight isn't it?

Sums it up nicely - you despise the Government/PM because of Brexit therefore can't trust them, that is your prerogative so in turn everything they do now is wrong in your eyes, as you cannot look at it objectively.

Yes I along with many other people pointed out weeks ago the governments strategy was bonkers, it isn’t hindsight. As a socialist I wanted war like national mobilisation to deal with inequality in our country before this disaster. It’s obvious to people like me markets are never going to solve climate breakdown or billionaires hoarding resources. After austerity I have no doubt the Tories will prioritise their rich insurance and business owning friends rather than the poorest. 

I don’t despise this government because of just Brexit. But everyone who continually rewarded this government for lying by electing them have contributed to lowering trust in politicians. It has consequences, like voting for Brexit when there were clearly more important issues in the world/country.

I’m sitting in my expensive London houseshare  with 5mb speed internet failing to work from home thinking a nationalised fibre optic internet can’t come soon enough. That many Tory voters are going to realise stripping back benefits to £90 a week is a pretty bad idea when you end up needing it. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Odysseus

[Red-Robbo]

6 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Do you have the web link to this source? Interested to see/keep eyes on the numbers for South Somerset.

This is the best one, although it's a day behind when it's updated. It's the gov.uk one.

It doesn't go down to district level alas.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

[Super]

9 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Do you have the web link to this source? Interested to see/keep eyes on the numbers for South Somerset.

Just from Bristol post website mate.

[Kid in the Riot]

The sad truth is that Boris has been promoted way beyond his level of competence. This clip of him from two weeks ago hasn't aged well, has it? 

We have known how viruses spread for a very, very long time yet here he is jovilly talking about how he was shaking the hands of patients that may have tested positive for covid-19. 

No attention to detail, no proper leadership. Just pathetic really. 

 

[Super]

18 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Do you have the web link to this source? Interested to see/keep eyes on the numbers for South Somerset.

Somerset live are saying 14 cases for whole of the county.

[MarcusX]

2 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

I can see the panic buying getting even worse if they roll out some form universal basic income.

Numbers of between £48p/w and £1000p/m have been banded about. 

Granted there would be those would spend £1000 on a new television, overlooking the fact that they might not have a wall to nail it to if they don't pay for their accommodation, but equally there will be those who decide to try and corner the tinned tomatoes market.

At the lower end of the figures quoted, I would expect retailers adding a few pence to each product so no one (apart from them) benefits, at the top end, hyper inflation and goods costing a king's ransom.

Do you think that would be something you have to apply for or just given out somehow? I have savings, I'm ok I'd rather someone else got my share that needed it.

Also as a side note thanks for all the kind messages. I dont blame myself as such, but maybe I should have been more careful even if it was just a seasonal flu.

It would be good to test if I have had it so that I can continue to help look after my father in law without risk of infection (if he/we havent had it already)

[ChippenhamRed]

Having said I don't care about football at the moment, I did have a little idea for next season that I thought I'd share.

If this season finishes late, how would people feel about a 23 game Championship next season where you only play every team once?  You'd have either 12 or 11 home games.  Plus playoffs, relegation and promotion in the usual manner.  Yes, it's not perfectly fair - but might it be an acceptable compromise if there simply isn't time to complete a full schedule of matches before the Euros?

[Bazooka Joe]

2 hours ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

You need Facebook to see this 

 

 

Simply a case of handbags shopping baskets.

[bcfcshorey]

7 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Having said I don't care about football at the moment, I did have a little idea for next season that I thought I'd share.

If this season finishes late, how would people feel about a 23 game Championship next season where you only play every team once?  You'd have either 12 or 11 home games.  Plus playoffs, relegation and promotion in the usual manner.  Yes, it's not perfectly fair - but might it be an acceptable compromise if there simply isn't time to complete a full schedule of matches before the Euros?

I said this as well.

You finish this season in the normal fashion asap, then you curtail next season to make it finish in May as usual.

You could have a 23 game season by playing each other once. If you had more time, you could play each other once, then split off into the top half play each other, and the bottom half play each other. If you had less time, you could split leagues regionally, or randomly in half and have top teams from each get promoted.

Plenty of creative options possible. Another was to try and finish the season by November, and then change to February-November seasons until the 2022 World Cup.

[Dr Balls]

1 hour ago, BCFCGav said:

I'll pick your brain since you seem to know your stuff if you don't mind, do you think we'll be able to get back to a 'normal' way of living (schools and work open, football back etc.) before a vaccine/meds become available? I hate to think of all this crap going on for months and months.

Sorry but I think you can expect this to continue into next year. Hence my pessimism about any of us seeing a live football game before 2021.

I am just waiting for the IOC to bow to the inevitable that the Tokyo olympics will need to be postponed by at least a year.

[BigTone]

[MarcusX]

23 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Having said I don't care about football at the moment, I did have a little idea for next season that I thought I'd share.

If this season finishes late, how would people feel about a 23 game Championship next season where you only play every team once?  You'd have either 12 or 11 home games.  Plus playoffs, relegation and promotion in the usual manner.  Yes, it's not perfectly fair - but might it be an acceptable compromise if there simply isn't time to complete a full schedule of matches before the Euros?

We're usually in the top 6 at the half way stage, I'm game for it 

[Super]

Football postponed to April 30th now.

[MarcusX]

2 minutes ago, Super said:

Football postponed to April 30th now.

Just saw that, at least it's not a cancellation announcement 

[Vincent Vega]

17 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Sorry but I think you can expect this to continue into next year. Hence my pessimism about any of us seeing a live football game before 2021.

I am just waiting for the IOC to bow to the inevitable that the Tokyo olympics will need to be postponed by at least a year.

Totally agree with this.

[East Londoner]

10 minutes ago, Super said:

Football postponed to April 30th now.

Sensible decision but it looks pretty clear it’s the Premier League making all the decisions and everyone else following along behind 

[Lrrr]

9 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Just saw that, at least it's not a cancellation announcement 

Probably won't be a cancellation unless it doesn't restart until September/October because then you're struggling to fit fixtures in before the Euros again and you can't put the Euros back again because of the World Cup, so unless the Euros are abandoned all together...

[Maesknoll Red]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

If only they could also develop a vaccine for stupidity. The world would run a lot more smoothly, eh.

Shame we don't allow more Darwinism when it comes to some of the population....