Alessandro Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, pillred said: Well it reads differently to me, and I'm fairly sure he meant 20,000 deaths not 200 even if he didn't word it very well. 2 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: No I didn't. The last sentence was ambiguous to me, could have been confirmed infected (you could have correct me earlier when I replied), but fine, you now mean't deaths. Either way, kind of sums up a major part of the problem for me. You casually banding around these huge figures, the number of deaths the government expect, up to 50, 000 people and still think they got their policy "spot on"? Well, i'm not really sure what to say to that, other than that is an unacceptable figure on any level and I hope to God people who make these kind of statements, or agree with them as somehow being acceptable or inevitable, don't have a loved one affected by it. Anyway, i'm not going to get into a massive debate about it, but suffice to say, "spot on" and 50,000 deaths don't compute, IMO. I'm no expert either but I think the government has it spot on. Current estimates of those with/had the virus is 35,000 (we don't know the exact numbers, same for most countries) with 103 deaths. Currently way under 1% mortality rate. Government expectation is 20k - 50k with possibly closer to/under 20k if everyone follows the advice given (which they won't). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) That was a dreadful press conference, more ambiguity, more bullshit, few answers. He seems bored and out of ideas, even seeming to complain that it was the 4th one this week and wants to retreat to doing a live stream! This is the problem with the man he’s making things worse like he’s done wherever he’s worked. Edited March 19, 2020 by Odysseus 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: At least bat might be off the menu... https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/asia/china-coronavirus-wildlife-consumption-ban-intl-hnk/index.html They cracked down after SARS too but it just drove loads of it underground. It was most likely a virus originally from a bat, but the reservoir and source of infection to humans was a pangolin they reckon https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm Edited March 19, 2020 by Stortz 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, walnutroof said: Might be dawning on those in authority that lots of people had the virus before it even had a name Sure this was around over xmas/new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: At least bat might be off the menu... https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/asia/china-coronavirus-wildlife-consumption-ban-intl-hnk/index.html Here's hoping. No doubt they'll be after unicorn hoof to make their dicks hard though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lrrr Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 'essential' that govt guideline are followed, yet everything left as advisory? Surely he knows full well there are plenty of people ignoring the 'advice' for as long as it remains advice rather than instruction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Odysseus said: That was a dreadful press conference, more ambiguity, more bullshit, few answers. He seems bored and out of ideas, even seeming to complain that it was the 4th one this week and wants to retreat to doing a live stream! This is the problem with the man he’s making things worse like he’s done wherever he’s worked. No it wasn't. The country couldn't handle all the bad news at once but its coming. You don't like him we get it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2020/03/19/coronavirus-qe-from-the-bank-of-england-has-to-have-conditions-attached-for-the-sake-of-us-all/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) To be fair I think Boris is doing pretty well in the circumstances. There’s no way he can be expected to know all the detail of what is going on but comes across as being in control. I think he is trying to be as honest as he can without overly panicking people. He’s a far more assured leader than Trump but that said the bar is very low. I was glad to see Prof Witty back today as when he was off yesterday I thought he may have tested positive. I would hope that these experts are being wrapped up in cotton wool. Edited March 19, 2020 by Cardy 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, Super said: Sure this was around over xmas/new year. Yup I’m convinced i had it then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: No it wasn't. The country couldn't handle all the bad news at once but its coming. You don't like him we get it. How did you get to that conclusion..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, wood_red said: How did you get to that conclusion..... Just a hunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted March 19, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 45 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: As much as I wanted this to be true, sadly it doesn't appear to be. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/19/facebook-posts/no-trump-didnt-say-people-are-dying-who-have-never/ Damn, fell foul of my usual rule of double checking meme content - it just seemed so likely to be true....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, pillred said: Well it reads differently to me, and I'm fairly sure he meant 20,000 deaths not 200 even if he didn't word it very well. Patrick Vallance said yesterday (or the day before?) that if we can keep it to below 20,000 deaths that would be a ‘good outcome’ and hopefully we can achieve that with the new measures the Government are introducing. He also acknowledged that 20,000 deaths can never be ‘good’ but I guess in comparison to what the death toll could be if nothing was done then that would be considered reasonable. Edited March 19, 2020 by Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: Patrick Vallance said yesterday (or the day before?) that if we can keep it to below 20,000 deaths that would be a ‘good outcome’ and hopefully we can achieve that with the new measures the Government are introducing. He also acknowledged that 20,000 deaths can never be ‘good’ but I guess in comparison to what the death toll could be if nothing was done then that would be considered reasonable. Ultimately the government's approach will be judged on the UK death toll versus other nations such as France and Germany. It'll be a long time before we can apply this comparison though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: Patrick Vallance said yesterday (or the day before?) that if we can keep it to below 20,000 deaths that would be a ‘good outcome’ and hopefully we can achieve that with the new measures the Government are introducing. He also acknowledged that 20,000 deaths can never be ‘good’ but I guess in comparison to what the death toll could be if nothing was done then that would be considered reasonable. Exactly. But you will still get those types who will bandy about 400,000 deaths. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, mozo said: Ultimately the government's approach will be judged on the UK death toll versus other nations such as France and Germany. It'll be a long time before we can apply this comparison though. I don't see how there can be a comparison given the different demographics, populations, and cultures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 Tweet covering Trump's presser earlier. Scroll down for some priceless facial expressions of various reporters in response to OAN's question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted March 19, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, MichaelRobartes said: This was done to death, most businesses will not have insurance to cover this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted March 19, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, mozo said: Ultimately the government's approach will be judged on the UK death toll versus other nations such as France and Germany. It'll be a long time before we can apply this comparison though. There will be differences, percentage of smokers, workers conditions - dust, pollution etc.- ages, so that data will all need normalising before it means anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Not sure if it’s me; I like the way BJ seems to write notes during the conference when people mention things. I find it worrying! The journalists are providing thought provoking detail that Boris & his team haven't already thought of??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted March 19, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Seneca the Younger said: I find it worrying! The journalists are providing thought provoking detail that Boris & his team haven't already thought of??? He’s just jotting down the names of the ones asking awkward questions, maybe he’s taking lessons from China......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, wood_red said: No he didn't, he said he thinks "we can turn the tide in 12 weeks" not that we should be through this in 12 weeks. For Boris, read King Canute. This is not a tide it’s a tidal wave! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/19/iss-report-99-of-covid19-deaths-already-ill/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/19/iss-report-99-of-covid19-deaths-already-ill/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: There will be differences, percentage of smokers, workers conditions - dust, pollution etc.- ages, so that data will all need normalising before it means anything. That data is probably already out there. Doesn't sound like a difficult comparison if someone wanted to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just watched channel 4 news interview a woman in a crowded London street proudly saying she won't follow social distancing advice because "it means we're just giving in" to it. Unbelievable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, italian dave said: Just watched channel 4 news interview a woman in a crowded London street proudly saying she won't follow social distancing advice because "it means we're just giving in" to it. Unbelievable. Hopefully natural selection takes care of these belters. My local butcher told me today that this is a government conspiracy. Be careful these people walk among us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted March 19, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, mozo said: That data is probably already out there. Doesn't sound like a difficult comparison if someone wanted to do it. It probably is, but unless someone does it, the figures are meaningless. It seems that many of the papers etc. run with headlines that contain figures from data that has no normalisation done. Just creating more hysteria. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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