Northern Red Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Now now lads, it's point scoring to criticise anything, don't you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I wonder if part of the problem is relying on / trusting the general public to do the right thing? They cant be trusted to not stock pile toilet paper ffs how can they be trusted to stay home and bunker down? Whilst people are still "allowed" to make their own choices, I cant see how the spreading will stop. There's still companies that at best arent encouraging home working (at worst, preventing it). There's still people going to pubs, bars, restaurants. Gyms are still open. The supermarkets are still full of people. We aren't testing anyone so we wont even know when the numbers die down. Any figures now need to be taken with a pinch of salt as they are likely higher than reported. That's fine- people need essentials and if no panic buying, they will have to do that! Unless you want panic buying, we will for the time being need to keep supermarkets open! If people are responsible, social distance, wash hands- then supermarkets staying open is okay. Beyond that, I have sympathy with your post in general- companies not encouraging home working is interesting but very irresponsible indeed. Preventing it further still. Edited March 18, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Because those countries did what we aren't doing - tested anyone with a temperature and then traced their contacts and tested them. It is madness that we say there is no need to test people who've self-isolated with all the symptoms. Those people will have been wandering about for days without knowing they had the virus. Folk who have been in contact with them deserve to know and be tested then they can self-isolate accordingly. In this piece, an NHS surgeon who thinks he has the virus writes of how health-workers are not being tested and are potentially spreading the disease around hospitals. It's time the government stopped trying to fight this on the cheap. Even the business support is largely a cheapo loan scheme that will benefit the banks at the expense of affected SMEs. We need to ramp up testing and tracing as has been used in the Far East. It brought South Korean virus figures down from being the world's most infected country to being below many European and Middle Eastern ones. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/there-is-a-policy-of-surrender-doctor-on-uks-covid-19-failures?fbclid=IwAR2fvjtsLT2zOnYZ7NPIfhJl_kjQE_GOiRdZds26fZBBiCBEdsjDF37prTA Absolutely. And that article from Italy in my post above suggests that NHS surgeon is spot on. And by the same token, isolating only people with symptoms means that more than half the people who have the virus are still wandering around the place unaware they have it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: That's fine- people need essentials and if no panic buying, they will have to do that! Unless you want panic buying, we will for the time being need to keep supermarkets open! Beyond that, I agree with your post in general- companies not encouraging home working is interesting but very irresponsible indeed. Preventing it further still. As a former journalist, I'm amazed when I see the packed room of journos at Bongo's daily virus briefings. All held in virus hotspot London. Hasn't the government and media heard of video conferencing? They advise us all to take loads of precautions then ignore them themselves. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: That's fine- people need essentials and if no panic buying, they will have to do that! Unless you want panic buying, we will for the time being need to keep supermarkets open! Beyond that, I agree with your post in general- companies not encouraging home working is interesting but very irresponsible indeed. Preventing it further still. In Italy the supermarkets are still open, but access is limited, you have to keep a distance from other shoppers, and trolleys, tills etc are cleaned after every use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, italian dave said: In Italy the supermarkets are still open, but access is limited, you have to keep a distance from other shoppers, and trolleys, tills etc are cleaned after every use. That's the way it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Moonwalker Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Unsure if this has been raised as there are 46 pages to get through, but Jon Obi Mikel left Trabzonspor today as he said health plays a bigger role. I assume he will now retire, he's on the wrong side of 30 if memory serves correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 We’re doing this in Aldi yesterday tbf. 12 minutes ago, italian dave said: In Italy the supermarkets are still open, but access is limited, you have to keep a distance from other shoppers, and trolleys, tills etc are cleaned after every use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 hours ago, ollywhyte said: Sent home with my laptop now. My wife is 38 weeks pregnant tomorrow with our first born, not going to take any risks now. Worrying times and looks like we may have to isolate ourselves with the baby, gutting with so many people excited to meet him! First time grandparents etc. Hope everyone is keeping safe 3 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: My wife’s in labour as we speak and very worried about who comes to see the baby, family included, unfortunately we are going to have to play safe which is sad as nobody gets to meet the new baby for a while but zero point risking it! Good luck by the way! We arrived at Southmead at 2pm Monday and no baby yet! Good luck with everything you two. Hope all goes well. If it’s any consolation, my experience of having kids is that your Mrs will be shattered and will not really want to see anyone for a couple of weeks anyway. So you’ve probably got a very well timed self-lockdown situation. 2 hours ago, LastManStanding said: Apologies if this has been asked on here before, but in my household, 3 of us are in the high risk group advised to socially distance by the Gov. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults If my workplace refuses a WFH request, will I be entitled to statutory sick pay if I take the Govs advice and 'socially distance' or do I actually have to have the illness to qualify for it? Hopefully someone knows! If you are in a high risk group and your employer is refusing your request to work from home then your employer is a total dick. If they don’t allow it, call in sick and say you have symptoms. You don’t need a Dr‘s note to prove it, just say you called 111 and they instructed you to stay at home. Technically, if you call in sick then you are entitled to sick pay from day 1. However, if your employer does the right thing and allows you to work from home then that’s the best scenario. I’d be amazed if employers are refusing this, if it’s available. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Working from home today - bored of no company already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, italian dave said: In Italy the supermarkets are still open, but access is limited, you have to keep a distance from other shoppers, and trolleys, tills etc are cleaned after every use. And people think our Gov't has finally taken the required measures... In France you will be fined for leaving the home for unnecessary reasons. Either they're going OTT, or we are being put at risk by our lawmakers. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: That's fine- people need essentials and if no panic buying, they will have to do that! Unless you want panic buying, we will for the time being need to keep supermarkets open! If people are responsible, social distance, wash hands- then supermarkets staying open is okay. Beyond that, I have sympathy with your post in general- companies not encouraging home working is interesting but very irresponsible indeed. Preventing it further still. I agree people need supplies, maybe shouldn't have mentioned supermarkets but was surprised how many people were there considering "social distancing" measures (none of that going on) Seems Boris has took another change of direction and the NHS are now going to test 25000 people per day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Harry said: Good luck with everything you two. Hope all goes well. If it’s any consolation, my experience of having kids is that your Mrs will be shattered and will not really want to see anyone for a couple of weeks anyway. So you’ve probably got a very well timed self-lockdown situation. If you are in a high risk group and your employer is refusing your request to work from home then your employer is a total dick. If they don’t allow it, call in sick and say you have symptoms. You don’t need a Dr‘s note to prove it, just say you called 111 and they instructed you to stay at home. Technically, if you call in sick then you are entitled to sick pay from day 1. However, if your employer does the right thing and allows you to work from home then that’s the best scenario. I’d be amazed if employers are refusing this, if it’s available. Be amazed away then. My workplace cut 30% of staff last week, more on Monday- and last I heard, they still by Tuesday close of play had no instructions about working from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: Working from home today - bored of no company already! Ooooooh, nice whiteboard. Might get one of those...... .....for football tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, mozo said: And people think our Gov't has finally taken the required measures... In France you will be fined for leaving the home for unnecessary reasons. Either they're going OTT, or we are being put at risk by our lawmakers. Time will tell. Mate of mine lives in France now and posted on Facebook earlier about how he ventured out to the local hypermarket, which had no more than about half a dozen other shoppers. On the way back home he was stopped by the police and asked to show his papers and justify his reason for being out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Mate of mine lives in France now and posted on Facebook earlier about how he ventured out to the local hypermarket, which had no more than about half a dozen other shoppers. On the way back home he was stopped by the police and asked to show his papers and justify his reason for being out. Yeah and I have two thoughts about that. Firstly, it sounds dystopian. Secondly, maybe we should be taken more stringent measures in line with other countries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollywhyte Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: My wife’s in labour as we speak and very worried about who comes to see the baby, family included, unfortunately we are going to have to play safe which is sad as nobody gets to meet the new baby for a while but zero point risking it! Good luck by the way! We arrived at Southmead at 2pm Monday and no baby yet! Good luck to you as well mate, hope all goes well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Coppello said: Glastonbury Festival has confirmed its cancellation. Tickets have been rolled forward to next year which is a bit annoying given I missed out! The good thing about this virus is that it looks like Eurovision will be cancelled. Saves us being close to last again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Be amazed away then. My workplace cut 30% of staff last week, more on Monday- and last I heard, they still by Tuesday close of play had no instructions about working from home. I know someone working in sales for a printers in Bath and still being sent out meeting clients, shaking hands etc. Some companies just dont give a stuff about "advice" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Mate of mine lives in France now and posted on Facebook earlier about how he ventured out to the local hypermarket, which had no more than about half a dozen other shoppers. On the way back home he was stopped by the police and asked to show his papers and justify his reason for being out. I've heard similar about Italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Schools closing in Scotland and Wales on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Be amazed away then. My workplace cut 30% of staff last week, more on Monday- and last I heard, they still by Tuesday close of play had no instructions about working from home. Pops, you seem to regularly misunderstand what I say. My post was specifically in regard to the chap who is high risk, and has the facility to wfh. My amazement would be if such an employer refused wfh for such an individual. Edited March 18, 2020 by Harry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 In three months time the majority of the nation might have had this virus and be immune. But nobody will know as there is no testing. Crazy situation 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Super said: Schools closing in Scotland and Wales on Friday. Just seen on bbc. Took joe out on Monday and Zara yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: China, Italy and South Korea. These are, were ahead of us. Will be interesting indicators, as to whether it returns, how quickly. The form it takes etc. Cases in China or new cases have gone right down? Italy, the rate maybe slowing a bit- South Korea, has been held up as an exemplary example in various quarters. Personally I don't believe a word that comes from China. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: As a former journalist, I'm amazed when I see the packed room of journos at Bongo's daily virus briefings. All held in virus hotspot London. Hasn't the government and media heard of video conferencing? They advise us all to take loads of precautions then ignore them themselves. Quite agree RR Over 20 years ago I was a Sales Manager at BT and we were pushing Video conferencing then. why has it not taken off ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Vincent Vega said: Personally I don't believe a word that comes from China. Good point, but I would have thought Wuhan being under such lockdown and such a national effort- thousands of health workers sent there IIRC, would have brought the rate down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Good point, but I would have thought Wuhan being under such lockdown and such a national effort- thousands of health workers sent there IIRC, would have brought the rate down. Yeah - I understand why people would not trust the Chinese government but I understand the WHO have confirmed what the government are reporting and, given factories are opening and the specialist hospitals are closing, I struggle to see how they can be getting away with it if they are not telling the truth. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: China, Italy and South Korea. These are, were ahead of us. Will be interesting indicators, as to whether it returns, how quickly. The form it takes etc. Cases in China or new cases have gone right down? Italy, the rate maybe slowing a bit- South Korea, has been held up as an exemplary example in various quarters. Free tests Results in 5 hours Results by text Using Debit/credit cards and mobile phone tracking to trace movements and warn people of positive results and advise isolation lots of cases, very few deaths Brilliant work 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: Personally I don't believe a word that comes from China. Factories now all but open. Capacity over 80% now. China nearly back to normal just 4 months after first case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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