big p Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BS2 Red said: Did my post give the impression that I think medically exempt people are the same as the selfish anti-vaxxers? Those that are medically exempt are clearly not selfish. They are also the same people that will be trapped at home while the selfish anti-vaxxers make it dangerous for those with medical conditions to go out. I've had the Jab, but the selfish people are the ones forcing young people to have a relatively new technology against their will by peer pressure, the same young people who willmost likely build natural immunity against it... 2 minutes ago, Selred said: They reduce the spread, not stop it completely. Not hard to understand. So why do we need covid passports? My god.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redinthehead Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, big p said: They want to track everyone! And given the chance it will turn into the social credit system. Look it up. If governments wanted to track people, introducing vaccine passports is definitely the way to go. You can then see them for a short amount of time when they attend 1 or 2 events a week. If only there was another far more obvious way of tracking people all of the time, that most people already have in their pockets 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big p Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, BS2 Red said: There's one big massive flaw with your argument. The vaccines do help reduce the spread. But it doesn't stop it. So what's the point of the passport... It's really not difficult.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverRed Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, BS2 Red said: Did my post give the impression that I think medically exempt people are the same as the selfish anti-vaxxers? Those that are medically exempt are clearly not selfish. They are also the same people that will be trapped at home while the selfish anti-vaxxers make it dangerous for those with medical conditions to go out. The post of yours to which I initially replied stated unvaccinated people. No distinction was made, just a blanket reference to unvaccinated people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, big p said: So why do we need covid passports? My god.. Jesus. Christ. Vaccines reduces chances of hospitalisations, and transmission. Notice the key word being reduces. If everyone is vaccinated, then you have less chance of catching and spreading the virus. See how that is better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redinthehead Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, big p said: But it doesn't stop it. So what's the point of the passport... It's really not difficult.. Why wouldn't you want to reduce the spread of something negative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, big p said: I've had the Jab, but the selfish people are the ones forcing young people to have a relatively new technology against their will by peer pressure, the same young people who willmost likely build natural immunity against it... I don't think you have the correct definition of the word "selfish" there. Wanting people to take a vaccine to protect others is not a selfish thing. Could you explain the science behind your theory that young people will build "natural immunity"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big p Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Redinthehead said: If governments wanted to track people, introducing vaccine passports is definitely the way to go. You can then see them for a short amount of time when they attend 1 or 2 events a week. If only there was another far more obvious way of tracking people all of the time, that most people already have in their pockets But do you know android and Ios refused the NHS app because there were considerable security flaws...GPS etc... But our government wouldn't do that, would they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, RiverRed said: The post of yours to which I initially replied stated unvaccinated people. No distinction was made, just a blanket reference to unvaccinated people. Are we really stooping to that level of pedantry? It's pretty obvious that I wouldn't have been talking about medically exempt people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, big p said: They want to track everyone! And given the chance it will turn into the social credit system. Look it up. They track us anyway (unless you live completely off grid), and can get any info they want about us with a few clicks of a button, so it’s a complete non argument. It’s just mass paranoia and / or an excuse on your part and every other person who uses this as yet another excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redinthehead Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, big p said: But do you know android and Ios refused the NHS app because there were considerable security flaws...GPS etc... But our government wouldn't do that, would they? Did they? It's available on both devices. Given the competency of this governments procurement methods during the pandemic any rejection is more likely to be due to poor coding rather than some conspiracy nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big p Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Redinthehead said: Why wouldn't you want to reduce the spread of something negative? You don't get it, I could be here all day but people still won't get ... Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Rocker Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Personally I've renewed my season ticket and have had two jabs, but in the current circumstances and the crazy Covid numbers in Bristol, I've no plans to go to any matches anytime soon. Mostly because I don't want to risk infecting my elderly disabled mum, or anyone else for that matter. If entry to football stadia does become conditional on showing a Covid passport, I might reconsider those risks though, especially if the numbers are falling at that stage. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, big p said: But it doesn't stop it. So what's the point of the passport... It's really not difficult.. You are right, it's really not difficult. The vaccine reduces the risk of passing on the virus. It is therefore preferable that unvaccinated people do not get together in large groups. See how easy that is to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverRed Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, BS2 Red said: Are we really stooping to that level of pedantry? It's pretty obvious that I wouldn't have been talking about medically exempt people. Pedantry? I came into the thread at your post. Haven't read 312 pages of it prior to commenting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, big p said: But it doesn't stop it. So what's the point of the passport... It's really not difficult.. To provide evidence of vaccination to show that you are a much lower risk to others. Personally I am not entirely comfortable with compulsory passports but their purpose is not difficult to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redinthehead Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, big p said: You don't get it, I could be here all day but people still won't get ... Good luck. It's hard to get a point that doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big p Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, lenred said: They track us anyway (unless you live completely off grid), and can get any info they want about us with a few clicks of a button, so it’s a complete non argument. It’s just mass paranoia and / or an excuse on your part and every other person who uses this as yet another excuse. Thats OK then, Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, City Rocker said: Personally I've renewed my season ticket and have had two jabs, but in the current circumstances and the crazy Covid numbers in Bristol, I've no plans to go to any matches anytime soon. Mostly because I don't want to risk infecting my elderly disabled mum, or anyone else for that matter. If entry to football stadia does become conditional on showing a Covid passport, I might reconsider those risks though, especially if the numbers are falling at that stage. Yep I’ll not be attending games in the current climate where you don’t have to show proof of vaccination, exemption or negative test. Edited July 26, 2021 by lenred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, RiverRed said: Pedantry? I came into the thread at your post. Haven't read 312 pages of it prior to commenting. Yes, pedantry. I said "unvaccinated people" in a discussion about vaccine passports and anti-vaxxers. It's pretty clear what was meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, big p said: Thats OK then, Jesus. Jesus what? Argue your point with fact as opposed to nonsense bullshit and then stupid childish follow up comments. It’s pathetic. Edited July 26, 2021 by lenred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big p Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BS2 Red said: You are right, it's really not difficult. The vaccine reduces the risk of passing on the virus. It is therefore preferable that unvaccinated people do not get together in large groups. See how easy that is to understand? Right, I'll give it another go. Do you go in pubs supermarkets etc. I presume you don't because they don't use covid passports... if you do then you completely contradict the argument for covid passports . I'm not talking about vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverRed Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, BS2 Red said: Yes, pedantry. I said "unvaccinated people" in a discussion about vaccine passports and anti-vaxxers. It's pretty clear what was meant. Well, no it wasn't actually. Anyway, be careful that you don't upset people who can't be vaccinated for whatever reason that might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, big p said: But do you know android and Ios refused the NHS app because there were considerable security flaws...GPS etc... But our government wouldn't do that, would they? Yet I have the NHS app on my Android phone. Very handy for booking appointments and ordering repeat prescriptions I find. I think you may be getting confused with the original government inspired Covid-19 app that was going to be 'world beating' but was junked because it was no good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redinthehead Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, big p said: Right, I'll give it another go. Do you go in pubs supermarkets etc. I presume you don't because they don't use covid passports... if you do then you completely contradict the argument for covid passports . I'm not talking about vaccines. What? I don't think I've ever seen 20,000 people crammed in to Sainsbury's. That doesn't contradict anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, RiverRed said: Well, no it wasn't actually. Anyway, be careful that you don't upset people who can't be vaccinated for whatever reason that might be. Who has said anything that would upset them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, big p said: Right, I'll give it another go. Do you go in pubs supermarkets etc. I presume you don't because they don't use covid passports... if you do then you completely contradict the argument for covid passports . I'm not talking about vaccines. My wife is at serious risk from covid, so no I'm not going to pubs. There's not much choice when it comes to supermarkets, we have to eat. But me going to a supermarket so we don't starve to death does not invalidate my belief that it's perfectly fine for venues/the government to require people have the vaccine to enter a stadium. 2 minutes ago, Redinthehead said: What? I don't think I've ever seen 20,000 people crammed in to Sainsbury's. That doesn't contradict anything. If anything all he has done there is make a good argument that we should have covid passports for supermarkets as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big p Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Redinthehead said: What? I don't think I've ever seen 20,000 people crammed in to Sainsbury's. That doesn't contradict anything. So in a 20k stadium you are sat within 2 meters of everyone? Nope, so how would you get infected.My seat I'm probably sat 10/15 people within 2 meters. More chance in a pub/supermarket where there could be a hundred people moving around in very close proximity touching the same stuff... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverRed Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, lenred said: Who has said anything that would upset them? Referring to unvaccinated people as 'anti-vaxxers' is skating on thin ice. There is a distinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big p Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, BS2 Red said: My wife is at serious risk from covid, so no I'm not going to pubs. There's not much choice when it comes to supermarkets, we have to eat. But me going to a supermarket so we don't starve to death does not invalidate my belief that it's perfectly fine for venues/the government to require people have the vaccine to enter a stadium. If anything all he has done there is make a good argument that we should have covid passports for supermarkets as well. Oh right, so you're willing to take the chance in a Supermarket when you can get food delivered. But people should always use a passport for churches, cinemas, football stadiums. Hmm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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