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The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)


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13 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

The Russians think it was between us and the USA who started it in retaliation to Salisbury attacks 😉

They’ve traced it back to the Wet Markets (live animals are slaughtered and sold in front of your eyes, like picking a lobster in some restaurants)  in Wuhan which also was the start of SARS which came from a Civvy Cat that the Chinese government banned the breading and selling. But the report I saw and can’t find showed that in Wuhan they was still doing it up until recently. 
This strain they are believing it comes from Pangolin. Which also originated from Wuhan Wet Market, and believe it was bat droppings falling into animal cages that eat it with their food.

That is the short version of the report I read and could be complete bollox as this self isolation is driving me bat shit crazy. 

 Spot on there R or D. This vid explains it quite well. 

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1 hour ago, Delta said:

You tarred an entire sector with the same brush.

If somebody has low tax returns, then naturally, they would only be entitled to minimal support.  However, currently, they don't even have that.

People always think the grass is greener on the other side.  Your view of the self-employed being some kind of Del boy figure with wads of cash in their pockets and under the floorboards being an example.

You should try living the life of the self-employed for a while.  My experience of them is that it's not so rosy - Certainly, many are not in the position to turn work down (to sit at home instead) because someone offers cash.  In fact, in this day and age, cash payments are becoming rarer and rarer as people realise the importance of keeping paper trails and proof of transfer of funds.

Many self-employed don't even have a choice - They are told that is how they are going to be employed by unscrupulous employers.  They work on zero hours contracts and don't enjoy many benefits and rights that others take for granted - Again, I urge you to try living that life for a while and see how you enjoy it.  Many will already have been told there is no work for them, no notice, no holiday pay, just dropped like a lead balloon with no income moving forward.

Taxi drivers are normally self-employed for example.  We all take them for granted - Pick up a phone and one appears to take us from A to B for a few pounds.  I dare say they don't declare all of their earnings.  I would go further and suggest that if they did, once running costs are factored in, they are more or less working for minimum wage, perhaps even less. 

Tax evasion is rife - From the pennies that the self employed don't declare, right up to the thousands of pounds that big businesses don't declare or the millionaire football manager who opens foreign bank accounts in the name of their dog.

Where have I tarred all self employed with the same brush.. I would revisit what I posted rather what you think I posted.

 

I know what self employed is, I have been there done that in the past and that is why the dodgy ones give the rest a bad name and hence it was aimed at them. 

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9 hours ago, wood_red said:

I don't think anyone will have sympathy at all for anyone who has dodged tax and they will get less now. The issue to me with the ease at which people think all self employed are tax dodgers is ridiculous though (and probably pay cash for jobs themselves). It seems to me that many seem to think that all self employed people are all in the building trade or jobs where they all go around houses to do jobs (and ask for cash).

Many self employed people will run businesses where they don't even take cash at all, and sole traders who will have every single transaction that has gone through their bank accounts etc.

I was self employed for many years but......now run a LTD company with just me and my son in it; point being is there any need for anyone to be self employed at all? we have definately lost contracts to cash in hand people so why not run a LTD company, it is a bit of a pain in the ass sometimes but everything is in plain sight :dunno:

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8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Appalling animal husbandry. 

They seem to eat pretty well anything. Someone told me that Chinese have pet hens, pet chickens as in living with them in the hoke- dunno if that's true but their animal husbandry, their wet markets (is that the name?) seems to carry a significant risk.

I saw a video on twitter. A Chinese women found a birds nest and ate a couple of baby birds straight out of it. Utterly vile 

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10 hours ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

That's very assumptive. In fact any self employed subcontractors pay there tax in advance and its paid by the person that pays them. It isn't like it used to be. Everyone pays by bank transfer. I would say anyone with a turn over of £35k plus simply cannot avoid paying the correct amount of tax. Only the small 'cash in hand' workers have the opportunity to avoid tax. And this will (or should) bite them on the arse now. 

Same as freelance graphic designers. Most companies won’t hire you unless you are a limited company or are registered with an umbrella company, who sort out your NI and tax. I’m registered self employed with HMRC so can do self assessment but am employed by Parasol, the umbrella company, even though I don’t have any work at the moment. 

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1 hour ago, MichaelRobartes said:

This is bizarre. We've been in all-but lockdown in Switzerland since 16 March and large gatherings have been banned since 28 Feb. I thought they should have reacted earlier (as most European countries should have) but to lump the Swiss response in with the British one is totally misleading.

It's because they abandoned mass testing last month, like the UK did:

https://www.cnnmoney.ch/shows/big-picture/videos/coronavirus-updates-switzerland-3

1 hour ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

The Russians think it was between us and the USA who started it in retaliation to Salisbury attacks 😉

They’ve traced it back to the Wet Markets (live animals are slaughtered and sold in front of your eyes, like picking a lobster in some restaurants)  in Wuhan which also was the start of SARS which came from a Civvy Cat that the Chinese government banned the breading and selling. But the report I saw and can’t find showed that in Wuhan they was still doing it up until recently. 
This strain they are believing it comes from Pangolin. Which also originated from Wuhan Wet Market, and believe it was bat droppings falling into animal cages that eat it with their food.

That is the short version of the report I read and could be complete bollox as this self isolation is driving me bat shit crazy. 

You're exactly right, I posted this link confirming the biological origin and probable source of infections to human earlier in the thread. It's a bat virus originally that jumped to humans from pangolins:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

Of course this hasn't stopped the tin foil hat brigade making grandiose conspiracy theories about biological weapons etc.

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9 hours ago, Frenchay Red said:

Exactly. There's a lot of ignorant comments on here.

And as I pointed out much earlier in this thread CIS self employed have already contributed too much tax during the present financial year. That's the way it's done.

As HMRC issue tax rebates following CIS tax returns against a sub contractor's UTR I don't see why it would be that difficult to provide the appropriate financial support by the same method.

IR35 cases may be more difficult/complicated, I have no experience with this. But getting help to at least some CIS self employed would be a start and demonstrate that something was being done.

CIS is only the construction industry.  As has been pointed out there are an awful lot of self-employed on top of that.

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Was in the morning news that a British citizen died in Hungary yesterday due to COVID19. RIP!

Listen to the authorities, share work duties with colleagues (who works from home, who's going in a few days a week if possible, it breaks monotony).

We have relatively low confirmed ill people (227 till today), people took the stay at home agenda surprisingly well and disciplined.

Stay safe (and sane) everybody!

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48 minutes ago, TRL said:

Where have I tarred all self employed with the same brush.. I would revisit what I posted rather what you think I posted.

 

I know what self employed is, I have been there done that in the past and that is why the dodgy ones give the rest a bad name and hence it was aimed at them. 

Making out that people are going around pocketing thousands of pounds cash in hand.  It just doesn't happen.  Who would pay in this way?

You might get a plumber who calls out and changes a washer on a tap or an electrician who comes out to repair a light - These things, people may well just pay cash for.  It might save them £20.  However, if you have an extension built, you're hardly likely to have £40K sitting around the house, nor would you want to pay cash.  You would want evidence of transactions so that if there is any dispute, you can show what you've paid.

I think you are being naive if you think people pocket thousands of pounds in this way - Most would be traceable anyway.

In any case, I don't think self employed are asking for their entire income to be paid, just some kind of support.  I watch the news and I see people going to building sites, not because they want to but because they have no choice.  How can it be fair or reasonable for one builder to get 80% of his wages paid but his workmate (who does exactly the same job) get nothing just because they are employed differently?  To be, it just demonstrates the abuse of workers that goes on and everyone is happy for it to do so when it suits them.

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8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Appalling animal husbandry. 

They seem to eat pretty well anything. Someone told me that Chinese have pet hens, pet chickens as in living with them in the hoke- dunno if that's true but their animal husbandry, their wet markets (is that the name?) seems to carry a significant risk.

As the old saying goes,if it’s got legs and isn’t a table,the Chinese will eat it.

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Thanks! It still doesn't really make sense to me since the key in Switzerland would seem to be getting the Ticino, the Romandie and Zurich under control, and the mortality rate is, so far, fairly low. I read yesterday that they were testing around 8,000 a day, which seems like a lot from a total population of 8.6 million but I can't find the total number of tests carried out.

I think that the measures they've taken are proportionate, but were probably at least a week late in coming, though you could say that of almost all the Europeans. That said, we probably won't see the results - good or bad - of the strategy until next week.

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57 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

CIS is only the construction industry.  As has been pointed out there are an awful lot of self-employed on top of that.

Of course, not disputing that for one moment. And for many different types of self employed it's obviously very difficult to sort out.

Just suggesting that getting help to CIS self employed via their UTR, in the same way their over payment of  tax is refunded, would be relatively straightforward.

My view, fwiw, is a subsistance payment to everyone. Same amount, enough to cover bills, food etc. And so what if some benefit, while others will find it inadequate. At least it would help the vast majority and enable people to stay home and stop the virus spreading and not become destitute.

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15 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said:

Thanks! It still doesn't really make sense to me since the key in Switzerland would seem to be getting the Ticino, the Romandie and Zurich under control, and the mortality rate is, so far, fairly low. I read yesterday that they were testing around 8,000 a day, which seems like a lot from a total population of 8.6 million but I can't find the total number of tests carried out.

I think that the measures they've taken are proportionate, but were probably at least a week late in coming, though you could say that of almost all the Europeans. That said, we probably won't see the results - good or bad - of the strategy until next week.

Some info here;

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/switzerland/

And here;

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

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6 minutes ago, Red white and red said:

Is this a lockdown? Yesterday there were 4 or 5 creatures gathered in the street in close proximity with each other, drinking and listening to loud music. Whilst their unwashed and vile children were running all over the road and other driveways. 
 

It seems to me this is party time for the unemployable scrotes. They clearly have no perception of what is being asked of us by the government. Really gets up my nose!! 🤬

Those people will be the ones taking a bed away from a vulnerable person as well. 

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14 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Provided its not food from a supermarket. Whether vulnerable or not can't get a delivery for love nor money. 

We have a regular Sunday slot for delivery with the same stuff being delivered with a few extras every other Sunday.

My Mrs. just logged in to try to change some of the stuff and now in a queue for 4 hours.

If you're not a regular user I can imagine it being almost impossible to get a home delivery for food and basics.

However, if we donate a fiver with the order the company (Ocado) will match it and distribute packaged food to the vulnerable - I don't know how so its a leap of faith but worth doing.

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3 hours ago, winterbournered said:

Bit of advice please fellow reds, 

I really don’t want to be in work and I would classify mine as non-essential.

Unfortunately my employer doesn’t see it the same and is asking us to continue working, we are all PAYE so he/wewould be entitled to the 80% wage help if we were sent home or at least I think he is. 

My question is, do I need him to send us home before we are entitled to it? 
The way I see it is unless we’re sent home we can’t claim it. 
 

Hope you’re all well, stay safe! 

I don't think the 'essential / non essential' phrase was actually used in relation to the workplace Winterbourne. Didn't Boris say travel to work was currently allowed unless you can work from home? All very ambiguous but I'm pretty sure we'll be in total lockdown very soon anyway.

My employer has just issued us all with a 'key worker' document, countersigned by some NHS bigwig so we can keep working. If the NHS are issuing these now, I would imagine they know something we don't and full lockdown is close. 

As for the 80% thing, I would guess it's down to the employer to pay employees 80% and then apply for recompense from the government but that's purely a guess. 

Stay safe everyone. 

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So seemingly we as construction workers and our families are immune to Covid-19 then? An absolute disgrace that construction sites are still open. ******* shut them and give us our 80% wage like every other person! Ive payed enough into the system to deserve that!!!

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11 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

We have a regular Sunday slot for delivery with the same stuff being delivered with a few extras every other Sunday.

My Mrs. just logged in to try to change some of the stuff and now in a queue for 4 hours.

If you're not a regular user I can imagine it being almost impossible to get a home delivery for food and basics.

However, if we donate a fiver with the order the company (Ocado) will match it and distribute packaged food to the vulnerable - I don't know how so its a leap of faith but worth doing.

I am a regular online shopper with Morrisons (who are supplied bo Ocado) and Sainsburys. However neither has logged me as a vulnerable customer and its proved impossible to contact them by email or phone to argue the point. 

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2 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Same as freelance graphic designers. Most companies won’t hire you unless you are a limited company or are registered with an umbrella company, who sort out your NI and tax. I’m registered self employed with HMRC so can do self assessment but am employed by Parasol, the umbrella company, even though I don’t have any work at the moment. 

Don't you have any rainy day money working for that lot? 

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14 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I am a regular online shopper with Morrisons (who are supplied bo Ocado) and Sainsburys. However neither has logged me as a vulnerable customer and its proved impossible to contact them by email or phone to argue the point. 

I have the same issue with Sainsbury's and Waitrose.  I am in the extremely vulnerable group who are required to stay at home.  I wrote to Liam Fox my MP to ask what I was supposed to do about it.  He recommended that I go out shopping.

What a tosser.

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13 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I am a regular online shopper with Morrisons (who are supplied bo Ocado) and Sainsburys. However neither has logged me as a vulnerable customer and its proved impossible to contact them by email or phone to argue the point. 

Ocado are totally overwhelmed by demand but you'd think they would have a separate line or link for vulnerable customers.

My Mrs. has 28,000 in front of her in the queue at the moment - 4 hour wait.

Just hope the internet connection stays up or she'll lose her place, its been going down a couple of times a day and she's been trying for a couple of days to change the order.

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