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1 hour ago, Riaz said:

Yes, millions injured. people have died.

Personally had suffered a reaction from antibiotics which damaged my kidneys.

So I’m gonna pass. And i should be able too. 

Of course. …... I’m not questioning your right to decline - just curious as to why. My daughter is 36 and has had the Moderna vaccine rather than the Astra Zeneca because of the very minimal risk of blood clots in the under 30s.

My pals g’friend has a son who is an anti vaxxer and he got covid and passed it on to his mum who also caught it despite having had her first jab.

My buddy had to isolate for 10 days because of it.

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@Riaz

I was born in 1943 so could have had a bomb land on my bed until 1945.

Just after the war, children were dying of several horrible diseases. I spent two weeks in hospital with measles and a further three weeks in convalecence at Clevedon. Just after a vaccine was introduced. Do we hear much about measles now?

Also polio, Mumps, Whooping cough, TB, smallpox and maybe a couple more that I cannot remember. All vaccines have a risk of one death in a very large number. But all of these medical advances turned the average anticipated life span for most "Western" children in the rich and developed countries from around 35 years in the mid 1800's to over 70 by mid 1970's.

There is not any guarantee that you reach that age but we all have a much better chance of a life not ridden with illness and early deaths. Hence the big increase in human population numbers in the last forty/fifty years.

There is a downside though. I first watched City in April 1950 and got instantly hooked. So if I had died earlier in my life, I would not have had to suffer seven relegations and a helluva lot of crap seasons like the one just passed!   

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1 hour ago, Riaz said:

Yes, millions injured. people have died.

Personally had suffered a reaction from antibiotics which damaged my kidneys.

So I’m gonna pass. And i should be able too. 

You’re still doing it

”millions injured” is not what that report is saying

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46 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

There is a downside though. I first watched City in April 1950 and got instantly hooked. So if I had died earlier in my life, I would not have had to suffer seven relegations and a helluva lot of crap seasons like the one just passed!  

Death or the average City season?

Hmmm, I'm not saying I'd choose death, but I'd have to think about it. ;) 

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1 hour ago, Riaz said:

I’ll try and make this my last comment.

I hope I’m wrong about the vaccine and it does what it says on the tin. And everything turns out to be honky dory.

But if i am right, and birth rates are affect and/or lots of people die or suffer injuries, i hope, those of you who got personal, are big enough to admit you were wrong.

You already are, in the winter just gone mostly before people had been vaccinated the chances of dying if you got covid were one in sixty it's currently one in one thousand so what conclusion would anyone with any sense make?

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3 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

 

Covid has changed the world. Feel free not to take the vaccine, but you wont be able to go anywhere / do anything. Prepare yourself for a very boring existence all because you are misinformed. That's on you, not the govt, not corrupt scientists - that's all on you.

Welcome to Chinese style social credit score, I guess this is the narrative we will need to accept to have any chance of party membership. 😆

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18 minutes ago, Baba Yaga said:

Welcome to Chinese style social credit score, I guess this is the narrative we will need to accept to have any chance of party membership. 😆

This is like whack-a-mole. Just when one disappears another one pops up.

 

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7 hours ago, Riaz said:

 

When did i say they don’t matter? 

I wasn’t against the vaccine until they went to the lengths of trying to make us all have it. 
 

Give it to those at risk and anyone else’s who wants it.

Trying to make everyone have it, is dis-proportionate 

You must be the worst socialist ever. Thought you were all about helping all of society out, especially the most vulnerable?

That's why I got the jab. I wasn't "scared" into it like you suggested. In fact I'd already had covid by the time I'd had the jab! 

I just wanted to protect the most vulnerable in society. You're clearly petrified of getting a bit of water, salt and sugar, and a few chemicals no worse than you'd find in processed food and a few beers, injected into your body. 

That's fine, but I will remember this next time you start preaching about social inequality and looking after the vulnerable... it's amazing how often people of your political persuasion don't practice what they preach, seen it time and time again. 

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54 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

You must be the worst socialist ever. Thought you were all about helping all of society out, especially the most vulnerable?

That's why I got the jab. I wasn't "scared" into it like you suggested. In fact I'd already had covid by the time I'd had the jab! 

I just wanted to protect the most vulnerable in society. You're clearly petrified of getting a bit of water, salt and sugar, and a few chemicals no worse than you'd find in processed food and a few beers, injected into your body. 

That's fine, but I will remember this next time you start preaching about social inequality and looking after the vulnerable... it's amazing how often people of your political persuasion don't practice what they preach, seen it time and time again. 

@Kid in the Riot

Thanks for your comments which are very spot on. When I was a child and especially after the inception of the NHS, I cannot remember anyone even considering not having any of the new vaccines as they arrived. In fact everyone that I knew, parents and relatives, who never even considered not taking advantage of a way of avoiding the horrible diseases that were still rampant in many parts of this planet. I suppose our parents firstly wanted us to have a healthy life but by doing so, helping many others to also benefit.

I stopped going to City and Bears before last year's lockdown not only because I was scared for myself but also for my wife who has mild asthma. How could I live with myself if I had brought it home. Nowt to do with political beliefs, just caring about others and being sensible.

 

 

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I was quite outspoken before, and took some time off to reflect about that. Stand by my opposition to Vaccine Passports but...

  1. Lateral flow tests x 2 per week? Need for work, so yes. Since first week of May.
  2. Do I isolate if Test and Trace get in touch? Absolutely.
  3. Do I isolate if anyone I am with reports that they or the group had symptoms? Absolutely.
  4. Do I isolate if symptoms? Absolutely.
  5. Do I isolate if Positive LFT? Absolutely.
  6. Wear Masks in store and other necessary indoor settings? Yep.
  7. Sanitise in and out of stores and other buildings? Yep.

That's just off the top of my head. Other bits? I expect so.

NHS App sounds significantly oversensitive and anyway my phone and Apps don't mesh well, whether it would be any point in me downloading to my current phone, doubt it.

Vaccine Passports though...just feels a bridge too far- think @Baba Yaga makes a strong point, the goalposts keep moving. Perhaps some of it is due to scientific necessity and a prior optimism bias, but it also feels like mission creep- slippery slope, precedent etc.

First it was 3 weeks to normal. Then it was 3 months to turn the tide- but fair enough I accept.

Early Circuit breaker might have meant less harsh lockdown later, only time will tell or it may just have delayed the inevitable- who knows for sure?

The bigger worry for me though is..."No vaccine passports" "No vaccine passports" "No vaccine passports"...

...Freedom Day arrives...come Teatime "Vaccine Passports for Nightclubs"- and probably other crowded venues too.

The sudden ruling out of other alternatives, such as Lateral Flow Testing and I heard unless I missed it, no mention of Natural Immunity- presumably that's Antibody Tests.

42-43 Tory MPs have signed against, Labour will oppose- wonder if it could actually fall down in the Commons if it's Vaccine or bust?

@cidered abroad Can't speak for anyone else but a number of those- excellent- vaccines that you list, prevent onward transmission? This one seems not to- reduces? For sure, they're also tried and trusted- vaccines in themselves absolutely positive, but this one- Speed vs layers of safety checks etc.

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6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I was quite outspoken before, and took some time off to reflect about that. Stand by my opposition to Vaccine Passports but...

  1. Lateral flow tests x 2 per week? Need for work, so yes. Since first week of May.
  2. Do I isolate if Test and Trace get in touch? Absolutely.
  3. Do I isolate if anyone I am with reports that they or the group had symptoms? Absolutely.
  4. Do I isolate if symptoms? Absolutely.
  5. Do I isolate if Positive LFT? Absolutely.
  6. Wear Masks in store and other necessary indoor settings? Yep.
  7. Sanitise in and out of stores and other buildings? Yep.

That's just off the top of my head. Other bits? I expect so.

NHS App sounds significantly oversensitive and anyway my phone and Apps don't mesh well, whether it would be any point in me downloading to my current phone, doubt it.

Vaccine Passports though...just feels a bridge too far- think @Baba Yaga makes a strong point, the goalposts keep moving. Perhaps some of it is due to scientific necessity and a prior optimism bias, but it also feels like mission creep- slippery slope, precedent etc.

First it was 3 weeks to normal. Then it was 3 months to turn the tide- but fair enough I accept.

Early Circuit breaker might have meant less harsh lockdown later, only time will tell or it may just have delayed the inevitable- who knows for sure?

The bigger worry for me though is..."No vaccine passports" "No vaccine passports" "No vaccine passports"...

...Freedom Day arrives...come Teatime "Vaccine Passports for Nightclubs"- and probably other crowded venues too.

The sudden ruling out of other alternatives, such as Lateral Flow Testing and I heard unless I missed it, no mention of Natural Immunity- presumably that's Antibody Tests.

42-43 Tory MPs have signed against, Labour will oppose- wonder if it could actually fall down in the Commons if it's Vaccine or bust?

@cidered abroad Can't speak for anyone else but a number of those- excellent- vaccines that you list, prevent onward transmission? This one seems not to- reduces? For sure, they're also tried and trusted- vaccines in themselves absolutely positive, but this one- Speed vs layers of safety checks etc.

Why is the app over sensitive ? Why has no one picked up on this in the last 12 months since it’s creation?

it’s doing exactly what it’s intended to do, the problem is there are so many people testing positive and no social restrictions. Even forgetting the argument of should we or shouldn’t we open up, it’s just obvious that more people are having contact with sick people.

If there was a plethora of people getting pinged through walls why didn’t it happen on january?

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16 hours ago, Riaz said:

I’ll try and make this my last comment.

I hope I’m wrong about the vaccine and it does what it says on the tin. And everything turns out to be honky dory.

But if i am right, and birth rates are affect and/or lots of people die or suffer injuries, i hope, those of you who got personal, are big enough to admit you were wrong.

If you’re right, I’ll be too disabled or dead to come back on here and say you’re right!

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Both blackpool FC and Swansea FC have had positive Covid tests over the past few days meaning players have to isolate.

Is this just the start of things for many other clubs as well?

I can see loads of games being cancelled up to 24 hours before hand which is bad enough for home games but imagine paying for trains, coaches and perhaps accomadtion for away matches!!!

Its a big big "piss off" but quite frankly i cant see nothing but a season of disruption

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3 minutes ago, Dolman Block B said:

Both blackpool FC and Swansea FC have had positive Covid tests over the past few days meaning players have to isolate.

Is this just the start of things for many other clubs as well?

I can see loads of games being cancelled up to 24 hours before hand which is bad enough for home games but imagine paying for trains, coaches and perhaps accomadtion for away matches!!!

Its a big big "piss off" but quite frankly i cant see nothing but a season of disruption

Swansea friendly in Bristol cancelled today due to the number of Covid cases they have.  I saw on Twitter that one fan travelled up from Cornwall last night, so has incurred travel and accommodation expenses - bit keen for a friendly!

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11 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I was quite outspoken before, and took some time off to reflect about that. Stand by my opposition to Vaccine Passports but...

  1. Lateral flow tests x 2 per week? Need for work, so yes. Since first week of May.
  2. Do I isolate if Test and Trace get in touch? Absolutely.
  3. Do I isolate if anyone I am with reports that they or the group had symptoms? Absolutely.
  4. Do I isolate if symptoms? Absolutely.
  5. Do I isolate if Positive LFT? Absolutely.
  6. Wear Masks in store and other necessary indoor settings? Yep.
  7. Sanitise in and out of stores and other buildings? Yep.

That's just off the top of my head. Other bits? I expect so.

NHS App sounds significantly oversensitive and anyway my phone and Apps don't mesh well, whether it would be any point in me downloading to my current phone, doubt it.

Vaccine Passports though...just feels a bridge too far- think @Baba Yaga makes a strong point, the goalposts keep moving. Perhaps some of it is due to scientific necessity and a prior optimism bias, but it also feels like mission creep- slippery slope, precedent etc.

First it was 3 weeks to normal. Then it was 3 months to turn the tide- but fair enough I accept.

Early Circuit breaker might have meant less harsh lockdown later, only time will tell or it may just have delayed the inevitable- who knows for sure?

The bigger worry for me though is..."No vaccine passports" "No vaccine passports" "No vaccine passports"...

...Freedom Day arrives...come Teatime "Vaccine Passports for Nightclubs"- and probably other crowded venues too.

The sudden ruling out of other alternatives, such as Lateral Flow Testing and I heard unless I missed it, no mention of Natural Immunity- presumably that's Antibody Tests.

42-43 Tory MPs have signed against, Labour will oppose- wonder if it could actually fall down in the Commons if it's Vaccine or bust?

@cidered abroad Can't speak for anyone else but a number of those- excellent- vaccines that you list, prevent onward transmission? This one seems not to- reduces? For sure, they're also tried and trusted- vaccines in themselves absolutely positive, but this one- Speed vs layers of safety checks etc.

I think that if you're going to do anything like this then it needs to be done with clarity, transparency and clear data-driven rationale. Otherwise it will cause misunderstanding, confusion and will never get public consensus.

And I agree with you (and @Baba Yaga) about the complete lack of any of those things from our government. Its just been yet another example of policy being made up as they go along, knee jerk response, constant u-turns, with no clear strategy.

There are probably three reasons for having vaccine passports (and I'm not arguing for or against here, just setting out what the case might be):

- short term as an alternative to tighter restrictions: we can open this up but there's a risk so the only way we can do it safely is to use passports

- short term as amends of incentivising vaccinations: this is a public health imperative and if you go along with it you make the country safer and you get something out of it as a direct result

- long term as a means of controlling an infectious disease: where the data supports the very clear benefits, ie with them the virus stops spreading, without them it doesn't.

Seems to me that it's far too early for the last of those, not least because the data isn't even available, let alone clear. 

I give you two scenarios, both starting where we were a month or two ago:

1. We hope that we will be able to relax restrictions in July. We're confident we'll be able to do so as long as cases don't rise. As cases start to rise the message becomes more cautious: the data is highlighting the risks of opening up too quickly, we need to go forward cautiously and we're looking at whether its sensible to relax restrictions and at other measures that might be necessary, including vaccine passports. As numbers continue to rise: we are still confident vaccines are helping keep this under control but given the rise in cases, hospitalisations etc we don't want to relax everything as completely as we'd intended. However, we can still take that a significant step with the reassurance that other measures, including vaccine passports in the short term, will give us.

2. Freedom Day will happen in July and it will be irreversible. We're aware the numbers are continuing to rise but vaccines vaccines vaccines. We have no plans for vaccine passports. And when the day arrives, with continuing rises in cases, along with the challenge that scientists are warning this is at best risky and irresponsible, I need to manage this news conference - so I'll suggest that we're going to introduce vaccine passports, even though we haven't really thought it through and we'll need to backtrack and obfuscate in a few hours time.

No surprise when the UK, using the second approach, finds people confused and angry. 

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19 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I appreciate your contributions on this board and I don't want to be harsh, but here's a well-intentioned tip.

When talking about things you don't know about - like vaccines and medicine generally - do plenty of informed background reading from sources that have put in the hard yards of research in those subjects, and can be considered "expert".

I am neither a vaccinologist, nor do I possess any sort of medical degree: However, I know from intensive reading on the subject that there is no way being injected with a few microns of matter to trigger an immune system response can possibly affect your fertility. That just isn't how it works. If it was, your fertility would decline every time you caught a cold, or had hay fever, or scratched your skin.

Every medicine has side effects. Open up a packet of paracetamol these days and you'll get a fold-out leaflet listing common, less-common, rare and incredibly rare, side effects. In paracetamol this can, in very rare cases, include death.  This is to be expected - there are people who will die if they eat a strawberry, whereas most of us love them. 

The very fact that about 3 billion doses of Covid vaccine has been given around the world, should reassure you that "lots" of people aren't going to die or be seriously harmed from it. 3 billion is a f- of a lot and if even one in 100,000 doses caused death, folk would be dropping like flies. They haven't. We injected tens of thousands last spring/summer and ramped that up to millions starting 8 months ago.  If there was something the massed ranks of scientists and statistical researchers had missed in trials, it would have become obvious by now.

We've had inoculations for a millennia, injectable vaccines for centuries and have used similar technologies to these jabs for decades. 

The active agent that promotes the immune response is excreted by the body in hours. The immune response builds over three weeks, then fades. In months, all you have is a memory stored in your bloodstream of the pathogen; just like your body stores the memory of umpteen other things it doesn't require. This is why if a vaccine is going to make you ill, it will do so straight away. Any malign affects will have happened in that three weeks where the immune "charge" builds. A vaccine can no more make you ill 6 months after you've had it, than an off pint you drank in 2019 can make you have the squits today. 

I know this from reading what medics, scientists, virologists, haematologists etc have found. Proper peer-reviewed science.

So my second tip, is distinguish between sources.

It's likely that tens of thousands of medical researchers know more than the former Coventry City goalie.

If there are "voices from the wilderness who disagree with the consensus" there is a reason they are in the "wilderness". Usually, because they have no in-depth knowledge of what they're talking about. Often because their income derives from grifting 

👏 Superb comment! 👏 

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So that the rest of don't have to sit next to @Riaz or any of the other anti-vaxers, perhaps City could have an 'anti-vaxers section' along the lines of the 'singing section' . Maybe right up in the far corner of the Upper Lansdown.

Oh, and make them wear a bell around their neck?

 

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9 minutes ago, myol'man said:

So that the rest of don't have to sit next to @Riaz or any of the other anti-vaxers, perhaps City could have an 'anti-vaxers section' along the lines of the 'singing section' . Maybe right up in the far corner of the Upper Lansdown.

Oh, and make them wear a bell around their neck?

 

I like the idea of an anti-vaxxers section towards which, even into which, Nakhi Wells could run to celebrate scoring. 

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9 hours ago, italian dave said:

A couple of newspaper headline this today - not sure whether there's anything in it, or it belongs in the 'irresponsible headlines' thread?

 

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I never watch Strictly 

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