havanatopia Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alex-neil-calls-transfer-ban-18142587 What a misguided muppet. Lost respect for him over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, havanatopia said: https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alex-neil-calls-transfer-ban-18142587 What a misguided muppet. Lost respect for him over this. Why? It’s a perfectly legitimate point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, havanatopia said: https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alex-neil-calls-transfer-ban-18142587 What a misguided muppet. Lost respect for him over this. I think he’s got a valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 What if players take a wage cut and the savings were paid towards club staff who would otherwise have been furloughed. Could that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Correct me if I’m wrong, but by wages being deferred, doesn’t this mean the players will get their wages, but a later date? I would agree with him in a way if the players were taking a pay cut, then the club went on to sign someone. But the fact of the matter is ( if I understand’ deferred correctly), the players will still get their wages at a later date. I would also argue his point about club’s running their finances correctly, as unless you have Nostradamus on your board, I don’t think anyone would of planned for a worldwide pandemic on their spreadsheets at the start of the season! City I would also add are try to improve their financial situation to become more sustainable. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 As I understand it players have taken a deferral which means it is only a temporary cash flow benefit to the club. So, nothing to see here. If it is a wage cut then no club should be punished for attempting to stay afloat. The argument by Neill is utterly stupid and baseless let alone disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Let me guess, PNE aren't deferring wages ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitchinRed Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 If you don’t pay your employees’ wages (albeit temporarily) because you claim you’ve got cash flow issue, but then splash the cash buying new players, I can understand the concern. However, in this case, I understand that the wage deferrals have been agreed by the players, so I don’t think any external sanctions are required - unless the club have misled the players in any way... To be honest, I would be more upset if clubs were furloughing staff, claiming Govt subsidies and not topping up their employees wages, whilst still finding the funds for new signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Surely wage deferral is setting clubs up for a difficult time in the future? It's essentially a debt to the players, no? And it will have to come out of a future budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 I read that yesterday and thought he had a point. Then I realised that there’s no guarantee any savings would go to player recruitment. While PNE don’t pay large fees akin to ours, that’s not really our problem, more getting PNE to release the purse strings. Ive no doubt we’ll pass FFP again so what’s the issue? It’s a deferral not a cancellation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 I think he has a perfectly valid point. Especially if any chairman is sat in splendid tax isolation offshore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Whilst not trying to belittle anyones job at the club we have to remember that the difference between Playing staff and Non Playing staff is that Playing staff are a saleable club asset. We can sell a player for £20m to another club but can't do the same with Mavis in the club canteen when Nailsea School make a bid for her services. Also we cannot just make players redundant due to their contracts unless it is terminated for maybe disciplinary reasons. SL is doing what is needed to make BCFC survive this pandemic. Personally I take my hat off to him. With regards transfers I doubt too many clubs are really looking at that issue just now while they struggle to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Personal opinion, any club wanting to make a transfer should just have to be paying their players/staff 100% at the time of transfer. You shouldn't be able to loan any player/sign a free agent if 100% of wages not being paid as if theres no loan fee/massive signing on fee the saved wages could in effect then allow a player to be signed using that money. I have no problems with deferred wages being paid back (however long the club wants to take) if they're back on full wage at the time of the signing as they're at their normal wage budget per week/month being paid out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 The strange thing is that Preston have furloughed a small number of staff. Should it make any difference whether it’s players or staff. Too many people trying to add new rules for their teams benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 I have to agree with him on this If a club cant afford to pay wages of players and other staff they cant then afford to pay say £10m on a transfer A simple rule should be ALL staff paid in full before a club can sign any new players Just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverRed Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 12 hours ago, mozo said: Surely wage deferral is setting clubs up for a difficult time in the future? It's essentially a debt to the players, no? And it will have to come out of a future budget. But the deferrals are to a time when football starts again, and the clubs will then have the gate monies and matchday income again to sustain the debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 He is absolutely spot on. If you can’t pay a part-time wage for perhaps months - if only just for a bit of solidarity - don’t dare spend millions. @BigTone was Gary O Neill £20k pw a capital investment? Not all players are. Is Ashley Williams an asset? It’s really not that straightforward. If club shop staff are furloughed then any player old or 6m left on deal - maybe even a year - furlough them also Remember tax payers are paying for furlough, for many years to come. If a club subsequently spends millions having relied on the state - us - it’s up to you but I really really want my haypenny back. And that isn’t a joke. More generally I do wonder how football will survive this - I don’t think it will as it was personally. People are now accustomed to life without it. I dont know about you but I’m definitely seeing people are happier; friendlier; nicer. People say hello when you pass in a street; people say please and thank you. I have zero hunger for the vulgarity that football has become returning anytime soon. PL clubs furloughing was so damaging I didn’t renew my ST before purely for entertainment (lack of) but suspected deep down I’d crumble during the summer. That won’t happen now for sure. I’m so excited for many things - but football is so low, it’ll take me a while to get to a point that I want to fill my Saturday with football because there is so much more I’d rather do. To be excited to watch football just seems like such an unfulfilling life and prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, 29AR said: People are now accustomed to life without it. I dont know about you but I’m definitely seeing people are happier; friendlier; nicer. People say hello when you pass in a street; people say please and thank you. Many have been forced into a simpler life.....there are indeed benefits.. At a terrible cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 18 hours ago, havanatopia said: https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alex-neil-calls-transfer-ban-18142587 What a misguided muppet. Lost respect for him over this. It’s a bit like asking a company that’s made millions in profit over the last few years that’s has furloughed their staff not to buy stock when they are back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 5 hours ago, 29AR said: He is absolutely spot on. If you can’t pay a part-time wage for perhaps months - if only just for a bit of solidarity - don’t dare spend millions. @BigTone was Gary O Neill £20k pw a capital investment? Not all players are. Is Ashley Williams an asset? It’s really not that straightforward. If club shop staff are furloughed then any player old or 6m left on deal - maybe even a year - furlough them also Remember tax payers are paying for furlough, for many years to come. If a club subsequently spends millions having relied on the state - us - it’s up to you but I really really want my haypenny back. And that isn’t a joke. More generally I do wonder how football will survive this - I don’t think it will as it was personally. People are now accustomed to life without it. I dont know about you but I’m definitely seeing people are happier; friendlier; nicer. People say hello when you pass in a street; people say please and thank you. I have zero hunger for the vulgarity that football has become returning anytime soon. PL clubs furloughing was so damaging I didn’t renew my ST before purely for entertainment (lack of) but suspected deep down I’d crumble during the summer. That won’t happen now for sure. I’m so excited for many things - but football is so low, it’ll take me a while to get to a point that I want to fill my Saturday with football because there is so much more I’d rather do. To be excited to watch football just seems like such an unfulfilling life and prospect. Understand what you are saying. My main point is that there is a big difference in employment conditions between playing and non playing staff. Like you I think football is going to change after all this. Can't help but feeling that alot of smaller clubs will return to having part time players like in the old days. Can't see a lot of transfers happening either except for players out of contract. Interesting times ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 6 hours ago, 29AR said: He is absolutely spot on. If you can’t pay a part-time wage for perhaps months - if only just for a bit of solidarity - don’t dare spend millions. @BigTone was Gary O Neill £20k pw a capital investment? Not all players are. Is Ashley Williams an asset? It’s really not that straightforward. If club shop staff are furloughed then any player old or 6m left on deal - maybe even a year - furlough them also Remember tax payers are paying for furlough, for many years to come. If a club subsequently spends millions having relied on the state - us - it’s up to you but I really really want my haypenny back. And that isn’t a joke I think many feel the same More generally I do wonder how football will survive this - I don’t think it will as it was personally. Nor me. I want the season finished, integrity and all that, but if we lose clubs before we restart then integrity has gone anyway. The Bury / Bolton fiasco at the start of the season proved that, People are now accustomed to life without it. I dont know about you but I’m definitely seeing people are happier; friendlier; nicer. People say hello when you pass in a street; people say please and thank you. Personally I think the nice people are the same nice people before. The selfish pricks haven’t changed, they are still there. I have zero hunger for the vulgarity that football has become returning anytime soon. PL clubs furloughing was so damaging Its a really tough one for me, I’m still torn between whether furlough (if morally wrong) is better than laying off! It’s a complicated scenario I didn’t renew my ST before purely for entertainment (lack of) but suspected deep down I’d crumble during the summer. That won’t happen now for sure. I’m so excited for many things - but football is so low, it’ll take me a while to get to a point that I want to fill my Saturday with football because there is so much more I’d rather do. Makes you appreciate many other things doesn’t it. I am missing football though. To be excited to watch football just seems like such an unfulfilling life and prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 It feels a bit like using parachute payments to bolster a championship squad rather than pay wages for higher earners that have been sold anyway. It's wrong, but then so much in football is wrong and hopefully this whole episode will it help reset itself. I agree, if you haven't got the cash to pay wages, how can you have the cash to buy players (without hiding behind separate budgets nonsense). However, if a club has cashflow problems, I think they should be free to sell to another that hasn't taken cashflow measures. BigTone -Why is it always Mavis? We used to have a Gloria play for us you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thameswey Red Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 Clubs have a massive unexpected drop in income and the only sensible thing to do is to reduce costs as much as possible to reduce the long term impact . As a football clubs main cost is players salaries and they aren’t playing, the players should be agreeing to a temporary pay cut. As it appears that players won’t do that clubs should be be taking measures to reduce costs in other ways. To suggest clubs who do that should be penalised is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 Always the thin end of the wedge isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 22 hours ago, BigTone said: Whilst not trying to belittle anyones job at the club we have to remember that the difference between Playing staff and Non Playing staff is that Playing staff are a saleable club asset. We can sell a player for £20m to another club but can't do the same with Mavis in the club canteen when Nailsea School make a bid for her services. Also we cannot just make players redundant due to their contracts unless it is terminated for maybe disciplinary reasons. SL is doing what is needed to make BCFC survive this pandemic. Personally I take my hat off to him. With regards transfers I doubt too many clubs are really looking at that issue just now while they struggle to survive. Agreed. I think what this discussion highlights is that of course we don't want any team to take advantage of such a situation, that to me is the bleeding obvious and because it is we don't need a fellow manager demanding City and others are placed on a transfer ban. That is at best disingenuous but more likely exceedingly condescending and an attempt to ensnare the agenda in a very underhand way at a time when the world is upside down. The guy should retract his comments or a lot of managers and owners will give him the cold shoulder I reckon. It's simply uncalled for at this extraordinary time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Kingswood Robin said: It feels a bit like using parachute payments to bolster a championship squad rather than pay wages for higher earners that have been sold anyway. It's wrong, but then so much in football is wrong and hopefully this whole episode will it help reset itself. I agree, if you haven't got the cash to pay wages, how can you have the cash to buy players (without hiding behind separate budgets nonsense). However, if a club has cashflow problems, I think they should be free to sell to another that hasn't taken cashflow measures. BigTone -Why is it always Mavis? We used to have a Gloria play for us you know. Because Mavis is the corner stone at the club canteen and is first that comes to mind. Maybe I should have used Audrey as the example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 4 hours ago, BigTone said: Because Mavis is the corner stone at the club canteen and is first that comes to mind. Maybe I should have used Audrey as the example. It thought you were going to say "I don't really know!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 33 minutes ago, Kingswood Robin said: It thought you were going to say "I don't really know!" Ok, I don't really know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 Alex Neil clearly doesn’t understand the meaning of the word ‘deferral’. End of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 I do wonder if this could come back to haunt him. Suppose, say, Leeds (who have deferred) put in a £10m bid for Ben Pearson which is accepted by PNE? Does he come out then and say they shouldn`t sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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