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Seneca the Younger

Who is our German equivelant?

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With the German league back today, I need a proper german team. Big city that's never achieved anything, friendly people with an ever present sense of dread yet an incredibly laid back attitude, progressive club with the right morals, etc. 

What club is this in Germany?

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18 minutes ago, Seneca the Younger said:

With the German league back today, I need a proper german team. Big city that's never achieved anything, friendly people with an ever present sense of dread yet an incredibly laid back attitude, progressive club with the right morals, etc. 

What club is this in Germany?

FC Koln are going to be mine. Mainly for two reasons, it`s one of the most beautiful cities I`ve ever visited and I used to love watching Pierre Littbarski back in the day.

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How about Hannover 96. Currently in German 2nd Division not won anything for best part of 70 years. Similar population to Bristol

 

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Saw them play Southampton in a pre season friendly. Missed lots of chances surprised they a currently 10th. I think the City could have given them a good game.

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34 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

FC Koln are going to be mine. Mainly for two reasons, it`s one of the most beautiful cities I`ve ever visited and I used to love watching Pierre Littbarski back in the day.

I have a few Koln shirts. They're my choice for a German team. Plus they play in red and white and have their mascot, Hennes the goat on their badge which also incorporates Cologne Cathedral.  Rather like our old robin badge with the Suspension Bridge. Hennes attends every home game and stays on the touchline. He's currently Hennes VIII.

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Bremen is a lovely place. Went there on my school exchange (many years ago!) 

Only got to go past the ground, rather than in it, but always kept an eye for them since then. 

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24 minutes ago, handsofclay said:

I have a few Koln shirts. They're my choice for a German team. Plus they play in red and white and have their mascot, Hennes the goat on their badge which also incorporates Cologne Cathedral.  Rather like our old robin badge with the Suspension Bridge. Hennes attends every home game and stays on the touchline. He's currently Hennes VIII.

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Whats the goat doing??... 

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1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

FC Koln are going to be mine. Mainly for two reasons, it`s one of the most beautiful cities I`ve ever visited and I used to love watching Pierre Littbarski back in the day.

I was going to say Cologne. They've had a mostly poor last twenty years stuck in Div 2 with occasional short-lived forays into the top division.

Plus they had Tony Woodcock who was one of the first, or maybe even the first, regular England picks that was playing for a foreign team.

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Don’t think they’ll be a Bundesliga team that are quite our size.. maybe Paderborn .. 1.FC Köln have won the league and been in Europe all the time and have some of the best fans in the world in my opinion (live in Cologne).

 

 

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1 hour ago, magunn said:

How about Hannover 96. Currently in German 2nd Division not won anything for best part of 70 years. Similar population to Bristol

 

Good pick as Bristol is twinned with Hannover. I was going to go for Dynamo Dresden, as it is the only German city I have visited.  The good news is that they were due to play each other tomorrow, the bad news is that the game has been postponed as 2 of the Dresden team have tested positive for Covid 19!

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1 minute ago, New Dazzler said:

Good pick as Bristol is twinned with Hannover. I was going to go for Dynamo Dresden, as it is the only German city I have visited.  The good news is that they were due to play each other tomorrow, the bad news is that the game has been postponed as 2 of the Dresden team have tested positive for Covid 19!

Dresden has a bit of a naughty vibe to it though being ex DDR, they’re more along the Millwall side of things 

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27 minutes ago, Eastside Moonwalker said:

Dresden has a bit of a naughty vibe to it though being ex DDR, they’re more along the Millwall side of things 

Worked there a few times, still not too fond of the Brits. The church that was left standing is a sight to behold though and they've got some wicked micro breweries there. 

Spent a few lovely evenings in a restaurant with its' own brewery, on the banks of the Elbe.

Isn't the church pretty much the only building we didn't level during the war?

 

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50 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

Plus they had Tony Woodcock who was one of the first, or maybe even the first, regular England picks that was playing for a foreign team.

Gerry Hitchins, surely ?

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40 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Gerry Hitchins, surely ?

I take your word for it; as I've not heard the name before he has to pre-date Woodcock.

As of course would Keegan at Hamburg per the other post.

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13 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I take your word for it; as I've not heard the name before he has to pre-date Woodcock.

As of course would Keegan at Hamburg per the other post.

He played for Villa late 50's early 60's, went to Inter around the same time as Greaves and Law went seeking fortune abroad.

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3 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

He played for Villa late 50's early 60's, went to Inter around the same time as Greaves and Law went seeking fortune abroad.

There isn't much history in football beyond living memory.

A Derby fan struggled to disbelieve that I was winding him up when I said I hadn't heard of Kevin Hector.

He was a Derby striker who won two England caps in 1973 and was this chap's childhood hero.

He wasn't that much older than me, maybe six or eight years, but that was enough for me to genuinely not know who he was.

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2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Bremen is a lovely place. Went there on my school exchange (many years ago!) 

Only got to go past the ground, rather than in it, but always kept an eye for them since then. 

I Love Bremen, lived there on and off for a few years. Lots of similarities to Bristol too, inland port, it was bombed the heck out of in 2nd World War because of its industry (planes and U boats) and if you walk through the city by the riverside it is so looks so very similar to Bristol with its mixture and style of architecture, I felt at home the first day I was there. 

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I was wondering if there was a city in Germany that had 2 teams, one being average the other being a car crash of a club to make some sort of comparison.

I was going to google it, but couldn't be arsed in the end....... sorry.

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11 minutes ago, cider hoss rules said:

I was wondering if there was a city in Germany that had 2 teams, one being average the other being a car crash of a club to make some sort of comparison.

I was going to google it, but couldn't be arsed in the end....... sorry.

Berlin is a good example of teams that haven’t really proved they can win loads, surprising really given the city, I guess dividing the city in 2 halves didn’t really help but Hertha are permanent underachievers and Union aren’t too bad but are more the people’s club. Both have still achieved more than Rovers ever will though 

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1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

He played for Villa late 50's early 60's, went to Inter around the same time as Greaves and Law went seeking fortune abroad.

Before Hitchens there was a Stoke defender called Neil Franklin, I think, who played in the Columbian League for more dosh in the early fifties. He was also an Englan international and was subsequently banned  iirc.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, handsofclay said:

Before Hitchens there was a Stoke defender called Neil Franklin, I think, who played in the Columbian League for more dosh in the early fifties. He was also an Englan international and was subsequently banned  iirc.

 

 

 

I could be wrong here, but didn't he once manage Colchester ?

 

And of course John Charles sort of started the footballing "brain-drain ".

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2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Worked there a few times, still not too fond of the Brits. The church that was left standing is a sight to behold though and they've got some wicked micro breweries there. 

Spent a few lovely evenings in a restaurant with its' own brewery, on the banks of the Elbe.

Isn't the church pretty much the only building we didn't level during the war?

 

I believe I may have dined in the same restaurant sjust a few years ago - upstairs on the first floor with wonderful views of the soon, i.e. hours, to be flooded Elbe!

Fortunately, the Opera House was also saved (from bombing).

[Translate to Englisch:] Die beleuchtete Semperoper bei Nacht

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4 hours ago, handsofclay said:

I have a few Koln shirts. They're my choice for a German team. Plus they play in red and white and have their mascot, Hennes the goat on their badge which also incorporates Cologne Cathedral.  Rather like our old robin badge with the Suspension Bridge. Hennes attends every home game and stays on the touchline. He's currently Hennes VIII.

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I would go for Koln. Watched them a few years back. Superb stadium and atmosphere and very friendly supporters. We have cider and they have kolsch the local brew. A few of those before the game sets you up nicely! They have a more illustrious history than City but also a feeling of generally never fulfilling their potential which sounds familiar. 

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1 hour ago, hollydog said:

I would go for Koln. Watched them a few years back. Superb stadium and atmosphere and very friendly supporters. We have cider and they have kolsch the local brew. A few of those before the game sets you up nicely! They have a more illustrious history than City but also a feeling of generally never fulfilling their potential which sounds familiar. 

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Spooky, that was almost the same seat I had for a Rolling Stones concert in Cologne circa 98/99.

Really enjoyed Dortmund vs Schalke this afternoon.....some cracking goals.

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6 hours ago, handsofclay said:

I have a few Koln shirts. They're my choice for a German team. Plus they play in red and white and have their mascot, Hennes the goat on their badge which also incorporates Cologne Cathedral.  Rather like our old robin badge with the Suspension Bridge. Hennes attends every home game and stays on the touchline. He's currently Hennes VIII.

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Had a few wives, or so I heard.

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7 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

FC Koln are going to be mine. Mainly for two reasons, it`s one of the most beautiful cities I`ve ever visited and I used to love watching Pierre Littbarski back in the day.

You beat me to it. Koln is a lovely city. Similar to Bristol in that it is not in a heavy industrial area from the past like clubs in the Ruhr.

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I would say Fortuna Dusseldorf is a similar club to City. 

Both cities populations are similar, they play in red and white and have won very little throughout their history.

Dusseldorf is a very nice city too.

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1 hour ago, RED4LIFE said:

I would say Fortuna Dusseldorf is a similar club to City. 

Both cities populations are similar, they play in red and white and have won very little throughout their history.

Dusseldorf is a very nice city too.

Similar music legacies too - they have Kraftwerk, we have The Wurzels.

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22 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Similar music legacies too - they have Kraftwerk, we have The Wurzels.

Fortuna Dusseldorf it is then

 

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17 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Fortuna Dusseldorf it is then

 

Bill does a brilliant `Kraftwerk` version of the Hokey Cokey;

`you put das links leg ein, das links leg aus, ein, aus, ein, aus` and so it goes on!

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2 hours ago, RED4LIFE said:

I would say Fortuna Dusseldorf is a similar club to City. 

Both cities populations are similar, they play in red and white and have won very little throughout their history.

Dusseldorf is a very nice city too.

Fortuna for me all day.  I got engaged to a German sort in '75 when we both worked in London and she was a bit of a fan.  When she went back to West Germany we kept in almost daily touch by letter!  She invited me out to meet her parents so I took trains across Europe using my InterRail ticket, cheap as chips travel for the under 26's at the time.  I eventually arrived in Dusseldorf and was met by Regina and her Dad.  Driven out of the city to their gaff, which turned out to be a bloody huge castle.  After the first night where I'd been accommodated in a separate wing from their daughter, the Dad took me for a walk round the grounds whilst Regina was shopping with her Mum, told me I wouldn't be getting anywhere near marrying his daughter and pushed almost two grand in Duetsch Marks into my sweaty hand.  

I was earning about 40 quid a week then, so packing the bags straight away and getting driven to the airport, being bought an early lunch and a plane ticket to Heathrow was an easy decision.  I know that I might sound a bit mercenary, but I have a strong suspicion that had I not taken up that kind offer from her old man, he would surely have 'known people'.  And their place had two big lakes.

Come on 'Die Flingeraner'  Come on Die Flingeraner..........come on (oh, you know the rest).

Have often looked out for their disappointing results ever since!

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18 teams in the bundesliga. 

Get a dice. Roll it 3 times. Whatever the total number comes out as, support the team in that position. So if you roll a 1, 3 and 5, support the team in 9th place. At the moment, that would be hoffeinheim. 

By doing this, it means you cannot follow bayern and dortmund which is fine as it would be dull supporting them as they're far too good. Granted they're not too far ahead but either way, they'll finish 1st and 2nd, we all know it. 

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In the late 80s I never missed an away game with City. I remember a City fan who always wore a white German bomber jacket with the German flag across the chest. He seemed to attend every game and always had that coat on. I wonder if he still goes down the gate? I'd guess he'd be late 50s now.

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5 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

Had a few wives, or so I heard.

Actually, since I ditched BTSport a couple of years back in favour of Sky with the red button I have since discovered that they're on Hennes IX now. Poor old Hennes VIII all those wives draining him must have contributed to his early demise.

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17 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

Had a few wives, or so I heard.

FEED THE GOAT AND HE WILL SCORE...

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1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Cheap tickets, passionate fans, community spirit, not fleecing children and disabled people, no narcissistic owners...don't think we're like any German club

Don’t agree with all that - kids tickets are pretty good value - but apart from that your views mirror mine. Fan (not customer) experience in Germany compared to here is light years ahead.  

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12 minutes ago, sephjnr said:

Koln have just crapped a 2-0 lead. Definitely them.

Everyone knows that 2-0 is the MOST dangerous scoreline.......

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Werder Bremen have won some Bundesliga titles so that's a questionable equivalent @Bar BS3

Fortuna have won a number of Cups.

Koln have played in Europe. Probably won trophies too?

Should pick a fairly big city club who haven't won a major trophy, for a start..

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4 hours ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Cheap tickets, passionate fans, community spirit, not fleecing children and disabled people, no narcissistic owners...don't think we're like any German club

It's a strange comparison by the OP tbh.

On the pitch there maybe some similarities, off it- English and German football have big differences.

Hannover seems a good shout though, just checked their honours- very little, big city club, but not much.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Werder Bremen have won some Bundesliga titles so that's a questionable equivalent @Bar BS3

Fortuna have won a number of Cups.

Koln have played in Europe. Probably won trophies too?

Should pick a fairly big city club who haven't won a major trophy, for a start..

Not much though for a club their size,  a couple of league titles forty or fifty years ago, a few cups but nothing since 1983 and a UEFA Cup final appearance in 1986. They`ve been up and down from the Bundesliga half a dozen times in the last twenty or so years.

I`d probably equate them with someone like Newcastle over here.

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German football seems much more City centric than English football. Barely any teams in the Bundesliga from small places like Burnley or those that just represent a suburb like Palace.

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