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Firstly as I said above don't go any further with this thread if you are part of the "pedantically over-literal", 'Stuck-in-the-mud, "It cud never 'appen ere", "it's not for the likes of us", "be realistic" , "I've got me pint and me motor, I'm 'appy", "That Steve Lansdown, what we owe 'ee, 'ee's a ****ing marvel" style of City fan who seems content to aim for the mediocrity of being a Championship Yo-Yo Club.

It's done (regrettably but realistically) by hiring the best, specialist team of foreign coaches who have proven their worth in the top flight of other countries.

Don't tell I that we haven't got the potential for this. We are the most famous/obvious under-achievers in English football.

We just need a Chairman/owner who is not afraid and is prepared to leave football to the said foreign experts

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Liverpool spent £30.3m on intermediaries compared with nearly £44m the previous year, but that is still the most of any top-flight club.

I'm not going to claim Klopp isn't a great coach, but if you pay agents a lot of money you do well, weird. Wolves another great example. Pay the agents and you get good players  + have a good coach.

Dortmund are still a factory of developing talent so it's not as if Klopp is uniquely great at coaching.

Ashton seem to be actually quite good at the agent side of things so I'm hopeful if we get better at spotting talent.

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46 minutes ago, Prinny said:

Liverpool spent £30.3m on intermediaries compared with nearly £44m the previous year, but that is still the most of any top-flight club.

I'm not going to claim Klopp isn't a great coach, but if you pay agents a lot of money you do well, weird. Wolves another great example. Pay the agents and you get good players  + have a good coach.

Dortmund are still a factory of developing talent so it's not as if Klopp is uniquely great at coaching.

Ashton seem to be actually quite good at the agent side of things so I'm hopeful if we get better at spotting talent.

He’s done it by selling arguably his best two players....Suarez and Coutinho.  Of course he’s spent money, but not not stupid money compared to other clubs.

Up until now he’s been happy to have one LB (Robertson), knowing Milner can fill in, so can Gomez.  Another manager would’ve probably bought another LB for £40-50m and have him sat on the bench.

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

He’s done it by selling arguably his best two players....Suarez and Coutinho.  Of course he’s spent money, but not not stupid money compared to other clubs.

Up until now he’s been happy to have one LB (Robertson), knowing Milner can fill in, so can Gomez.  Another manager would’ve probably bought another LB for £40-50m and have him sat on the bench.

From a couple of recent articles it appears he's now looking for a understudy LB.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

He’s done it by selling arguably his best two players....Suarez and Coutinho.  Of course he’s spent money, but not not stupid money compared to other clubs.

Up until now he’s been happy to have one LB (Robertson), knowing Milner can fill in, so can Gomez.  Another manager would’ve probably bought another LB for £40-50m and have him sat on the bench.

Did Klopp sell Suerez? I thought he arrived after 

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1 hour ago, southvillekiddy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51751082

Firstly as I said above don't go any further with this thread if you are part of the "pedantically over-literal", 'Stuck-in-the-mud, "It cud never 'appen ere", "it's not for the likes of us", "be realistic" , "I've got me pint and me motor, I'm 'appy", "That Steve Lansdown, what we owe 'ee, 'ee's a ****ing marvel" style of City fan who seems content to aim for the mediocrity of being a Championship Yo-Yo Club.

It's done (regrettably but realistically) by hiring the best, specialist team of foreign coaches who have proven their worth in the top flight of other countries.

Don't tell I that we haven't got the potential for this. We are the most famous/obvious under-achievers in English football.

We just need a Chairman/owner who is not afraid and is prepared to leave football to the said foreign experts

Well, it couldn't happen here. The City of Liverpool is absolutely obsessed with football to the point of it being a religion and the expectation of the fans and set up of the club match that obsession. On the other hand, the West Country in general and Bristol in particular just isn't like that. Not even nearly. I speak as someone who has lived in these parts for almost 50 years and been a season ticket holder for around 25 of them. Before that I lived in Liverpool and frequently return (my son now lives there) so am well acquainted with the differences in sporting culture between the two cities. I get that you might be as passionate as any Liverpool supporter, but sorry to say it, we have never had enough of the sort of passion for the sort of transformation you're talking about. Never have had, never will have. That said, there's no reason why we can't be like Burnley or Sheffield United, not a single one. We could get to be a steady, well managed club Premiership club but it will good management and steady improvements that gets us there. Sorry...

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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

He’s done it by selling arguably his best two players....Suarez and Coutinho.  Of course he’s spent money, but not not stupid money compared to other clubs.

Up until now he’s been happy to have one LB (Robertson), knowing Milner can fill in, so can Gomez.  Another manager would’ve probably bought another LB for £40-50m and have him sat on the bench.

We have one left back (Dasilva) with Rowe who can cover... 

Brendan Rogers was the manager who sold Suarez.

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Those 3 letters again- he does spend a reasonable amount, check our operating losses or perhaps more important cash flow- who do you think covers these?

Why doesn't he spend real money on a top coach. Instead we waste millions on mostly mediocre players

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40 minutes ago, Calculus said:

Well, it couldn't happen here. The City of Liverpool is absolutely obsessed with football to the point of it being a religion and the expectation of the fans and set up of the club match that obsession. On the other hand, the West Country in general and Bristol in particular just isn't like that. Not even nearly. I speak as someone who has lived in these parts for almost 50 years and been a season ticket holder for around 25 of them. Before that I lived in Liverpool and frequently return (my son now lives there) so am well acquainted with the differences in sporting culture between the two cities. I get that you might be as passionate as any Liverpool supporter, but sorry to say it, we have never had enough of the sort of passion for the sort of transformation you're talking about. Never have had, never will have. That said, there's no reason why we can't be like Burnley or Sheffield United, not a single one. We could get to be a steady, well managed club Premiership club but it will good management and steady improvements that gets us there. Sorry...

Fair play to you mate. I was with you until the dreaded "Never have had, never will have" with which you condemn us to be 3rd rate.

Bristol and Liverpool are of similiar size and with similiar dodgy history, pointed up in the current hot issue. They have 2 premiership teams. We have 2 fairly crapulous Clubs. Surely you can believe that we can achieve one Premiership member. All depends on having the will to achieve it. Being serious instead of playing at it. Makes I wee.

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49 minutes ago, Calculus said:

Well, it couldn't happen here. The City of Liverpool is absolutely obsessed with football to the point of it being a religion and the expectation of the fans and set up of the club match that obsession. On the other hand, the West Country in general and Bristol in particular just isn't like that. Not even nearly. I speak as someone who has lived in these parts for almost 50 years and been a season ticket holder for around 25 of them. Before that I lived in Liverpool and frequently return (my son now lives there) so am well acquainted with the differences in sporting culture between the two cities. I get that you might be as passionate as any Liverpool supporter, but sorry to say it, we have never had enough of the sort of passion for the sort of transformation you're talking about. Never have had, never will have. That said, there's no reason why we can't be like Burnley or Sheffield United, not a single one. We could get to be a steady, well managed club Premiership club but it will good management and steady improvements that gets us there. Sorry...

Bristol is obsessed with fairy tale worlds and socialism and loving all but the white man

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36 minutes ago, Prinny said:

We have one left back (Dasilva) with Rowe who can cover... 

Brendan Rogers was the manager who sold Suarez.

Well we had Sean O'Driscoll, and Sean is an Irish name like Brendan, and as was pointed out, we both have issues at left back.

JK/LJ both have a J in there......

Christ! We've almost cracked it!

Get LJ some glasses and we'll have Korey slipping on turf at Stamford in no time.

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The answer is staring us in the face. Bristol Bears, stuck in the Championship choking promotion every season, best players cherry picked by the PL, managed by the nice  media friendly Andy Robinson and going nowhere. 

SL hires Pat Lam - proven winner, dragged Connaught from rural backwater to European cup success. Former All Black, top coach he talkes you listen. Totally turned them around, they will I'm sure win the Premiership within 3 years, attracted top world class players happy to be coached by him Pitau etc.  Same ground as City, Same training ground development, same owner,   listen to Lam, if they lose he knows what went wrong how to put it right and they come back. No giggling no silly jokes or excuses- he gets it done he wins players want to be coached by him.

 

That's it. Can be done, SL has done it with rugby.  So why the LJ obsession?

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2 hours ago, southvillekiddy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51751082

Firstly as I said above don't go any further with this thread if you are part of the "pedantically over-literal", 'Stuck-in-the-mud, "It cud never 'appen ere", "it's not for the likes of us", "be realistic" , "I've got me pint and me motor, I'm 'appy", "That Steve Lansdown, what we owe 'ee, 'ee's a ****ing marvel" style of City fan who seems content to aim for the mediocrity of being a Championship Yo-Yo Club.

It's done (regrettably but realistically) by hiring the best, specialist team of foreign coaches who have proven their worth in the top flight of other countries.

Don't tell I that we haven't got the potential for this. We are the most famous/obvious under-achievers in English football.

We just need a Chairman/owner who is not afraid and is prepared to leave football to the said foreign experts

Unfortunately Lansdown has proved after many years that whilst he’s generous with his money, he’s not very good at making football decisions and recruiting the right people. He has been kidded by the bullshitting Johnson and Ashton.

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Interesting that no-one so far has followed the most important element of the thread. Liverpool ( and all the other top teams in the Premiership - no,no,no,no don't say we're not a Premiership Club so it doesn't apply) have spent proper money on appointing a team of top foreign coaches.

Whereas we have the son of Gary Johnson

Comments please ............................................................

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16 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

The answer is staring us in the face. Bristol Bears, stuck in the Championship choking promotion every season, best players cherry picked by the PL, managed by the nice  media friendly Andy Robinson and going nowhere. 

SL hires Pat Lam - proven winner, dragged Connaught from rural backwater to European cup success. Former All Black, top coach he talkes you listen. Totally turned them around, they will I'm sure win the Premiership within 3 years, attracted top world class players happy to be coached by him Pitau etc.  Same ground as City, Same training ground development, same owner,   listen to Lam, if they lose he knows what went wrong how to put it right and they come back. No giggling no silly jokes or excuses- he gets it done he wins players want to be coached by him.

 

That's it. Can be done, SL has done it with rugby.  So why the LJ obsession?

This was knobs on.  Flashing in neon.

Could it be that he realised he didn't really know Rugby and that this bloke was clearly top notch and so he can hire him and let him get on with it.

With football I don't think he really trusts anyone.  He knows enough and has a son who thinks he knows a lot.  That is not the environment for having a dominant character as manager.   

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14 minutes ago, SuperRed said:

Unfortunately Lansdown has proved after many years that whilst he’s generous with his money, he’s not very good at making football decisions and recruiting the right people. He has been kidded by the bullshitting Johnson and Ashton.

Thank god, someone else has spotted this.

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21 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

The answer is staring us in the face. Bristol Bears, stuck in the Championship choking promotion every season, best players cherry picked by the PL, managed by the nice  media friendly Andy Robinson and going nowhere. 

SL hires Pat Lam - proven winner, dragged Connaught from rural backwater to European cup success. Former All Black, top coach he talkes you listen. Totally turned them around, they will I'm sure win the Premiership within 3 years, attracted top world class players happy to be coached by him Pitau etc.  Same ground as City, Same training ground development, same owner,   listen to Lam, if they lose he knows what went wrong how to put it right and they come back. No giggling no silly jokes or excuses- he gets it done he wins players want to be coached by him.

 

That's it. Can be done, SL has done it with rugby.  So why the LJ obsession?

Great OP @southvillekiddy.

and this is spot on - the devotion to LJ baffles me. Achieved next to nothing in his brief managerial career and despite resources his predecessors could only dream of doesn't look like achieving much in the future, if last Saturday's fiasco and his recent press comments are anything to go by. 

Time to invest in better managerial and coaching staff.

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9 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said:

Interesting that no-one so far has followed the most important element of the thread. Liverpool ( and all the other top teams in the Premiership - no,no,no,no don't say we're not a Premiership Club so it doesn't apply) have spent proper money on appointing a team of top foreign coaches.

Whereas we have the son of Gary Johnson

Comments please ............................................................

100% with you. I happen to think GJ would do a better job.

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2 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Please, not him again. The next HC at City must not be related in any way, be related to the Johnson family.

We need a fresh outlook on football tactics.

Agreed...sorry, I was joking...although I do happen to think he would be better than his son...talked a lot more sense on the Robins TV coverage than LJ has since!

But assuming I ever get back to watching live football at the Gate I'd like to see a higher class of manager...one to match the investment in the infrastructure.

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40 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Please, not him again. The next HC at City must not be related in any way, be related to the Johnson family.

We need a fresh outlook on football tactics.

You are so right promote Andrew Procter to head coach, if we take & Gamble we could be head & shoulders above other teams we might have to have Joe Hart in goal though.

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Since I posted about Bristol Bears and Pat Lam on this thread I got around to reading the pre Sheff W LJ press conference.  It sums up in one article just how far away from the competence and professionalism LJ is from Pat Lam. Literally not a clue. Didn't know what went wrong, why we lost or how to put it right,  said for the umpteenth time ' the preparation was perfect'  ( no it wasn't, we played poorly - your training your selection your tactics you're the motivator ) he said we would prepare the same ( why ? It didn't work last time) - maybe change the selection ( ie bring back the most experienced pros Watkins Williams etc and hope they can sort it out for you)  anything else? ' well I noticed several players were wearing pink boots....I saw a lot of pink out there ( Jesus Christ what a Muppet....pink boots - that'll be it then pink boots - that's why we lost !)

He just embarrassing now, complete and utter ****

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3 hours ago, southvillekiddy said:

Fair play to you mate. I was with you until the dreaded "Never have had, never will have" with which you condemn us to be 3rd rate.

Bristol and Liverpool are of similiar size and with similiar dodgy history, pointed up in the current hot issue. They have 2 premiership teams. We have 2 fairly crapulous Clubs. Surely you can believe that we can achieve one Premiership member. All depends on having the will to achieve it. Being serious instead of playing at it. Makes I wee.

Oh, sorry if i did give that impression. I am certain we can be a stable Prem club and even looked to the likes of Burnley and Shefield United. Where I depart is in comparing Bristol and Liverpool as football cities. That doesn't mean we'd be third rate - Liverpool is a football obsessed city and Liverpool FC a World class club. You could say that if we are below LFC we wouldn't be first rate, but for your sake please don't go there - you'd be a disappointed man for tbe rest of your life!

For what it's worth I think Bristol.and it's surrounds are fantastic - far too many good things going on for people to be just obsessed with football. Maybe that's the problem.

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