NickJ Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 These 2 TV games with the drinks breaks have perfectly exposed Johnson's utter incompetence. You see Mowbray and Monk with most of the players gathered round their coach who is err, coaching, talking to the players, presumably giving instructions and motivating. Watch Johnson. Nothing. Except the second half break today which he spent the entire time arguing with the 4th official. Johnson spends most of most games arguing with the 4th official, so not so much of a surprise, but really, apart from picking the team and substitutions like some sort of xBox geek, it's hard to see any contribution from the person whose official title is "Head Coach".. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishreds Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Boro and Swansea's Captain's with great leadership qualities, read Bruce Rioch's comments about Mowbray. Johnson was in my opinion a poor player (extremely fortunate to play over 170 times for our club) and certainly displayed no leadership skills. No track record as a manager, a dreadful appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, irishreds said: Boro and Swansea's Captain's with great leadership qualities, read Bruce Rioch's comments about Mowbray. Johnson was in my opinion a poor player (extremely fortunate to play over 170 times for our club) and certainly displayed no leadership skills. No track record as a manager, a dreadful appointment. Johnson’s ability as a player is completely irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Johnson’s ability as a player is completely irrelevant This is true. However, the negative traits run through his entire footballing career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Plage Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 The facts are as managers they have both done him home and away!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, La Plage said: The facts are as managers they have both done him home and away!! Yes but I don’t think either of them will see that as much of an achievement. And that’s the difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Plage Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Dr Balls said: Yes but I don’t think either of them will see that as much of an achievement. And that’s the difference! Good point, but would probably apply if the post came up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Johnson’s ability as a player is completely irrelevant No it’s not, he brought the same negativity and lack of professionalism with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, dave36 said: No it’s not, he brought the same negativity and lack of professionalism with him! What examples of a lack of professionalism as a player do you have? By all means have a go at him as a manager. Enough ammunition without creating new ones out of thin air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 There is a pattern forming. Blackburn & Sheff Weds played to their strengths and as a team. We, on the other hand, looked disjointed and very much like a team of individuals. All LJ is doing is alienating all of the squad to such an extent that nothing is cohesive. I don't like some of the nasty comments directed to him on here and I have backed him no matter what as I do believe he has a lot of good coaching ideas but it's plain to see that he is unable to harness all of the talented players at his disposal. We should be taking these games by the scruff of the neck. Enough is enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Swede said: There is a pattern forming. Blackburn & Sheff Weds played to their strengths and as a team. We, on the other hand, looked disjointed and very much like a team of individuals. All LJ is doing is alienating all of the squad to such an extent that nothing is cohesive. I don't like some of the nasty comments directed to him on here and I have backed him no matter what as I do believe he has a lot of good coaching ideas but it's plain to see that he is unable to harness all of the talented players at his disposal. We should be taking these games by the scruff of the neck. Enough is enough Completely agree. I don’t mind him making mistakes and am in no rush to go up. Happy with steady progress but he keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. Defence getting worse, scoring fewer goals and haven’t won a midfield for about a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, Swede said: There is a pattern forming. Blackburn & Sheff Weds played to their strengths and as a team. We, on the other hand, looked disjointed and very much like a team of individuals. All LJ is doing is alienating all of the squad to such an extent that nothing is cohesive. I don't like some of the nasty comments directed to him on here and I have backed him no matter what as I do believe he has a lot of good coaching ideas but it's plain to see that he is unable to harness all of the talented players at his disposal. We should be taking these games by the scruff of the neck. Enough is enough Agree with a lot of this but Blackburn away is clearly a tough game, decent side, well drilled. However yeah- over the season we should be playing better indeed. Much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Agree with a lot of this but Blackburn away is clearly a tough game, decent side, well drilled. However yeah- over the season we should be playing better indeed. Much better. I sort of agree but also think that - purely by the virtue of being a technically unspectacular side who get results via organisation, preparation and hard work - Blackburn show exactly what the basics are that we are lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I sort of agree but also think that - purely by the virtue of being a technically unspectacular side who get results via organisation, preparation and hard work - Blackburn show exactly what the basics are that we are lacking. They're not bad technically in any case IMO, but I don't want to digress. Average over 50% possession for a start, though that can be misleading of course. Holtby (ex PL, CL and Bundesliga player), Evans, Travis are all sound in midfield- Dack of course injured is icing on the cake. Armstrong is good, I like their CBs not bad on the ball- like Nyambe. I'm getting off the point though- I think Mowbray would absolutely get more out of our squad than LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDziek Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, irishreds said: Boro and Swansea's Captain's with great leadership qualities, read Bruce Rioch's comments about Mowbray. Johnson was in my opinion a poor player (extremely fortunate to play over 170 times for our club) and certainly displayed no leadership skills. No track record as a manager, a dreadful appointment. In fairness, he hasn’t been a dreadful appointment. He’s taken us away from the relegation zone, established us as a decent Championship team That is nowhere near the relegation zone, and got us to the semi finals of the league cup. However, a manager will generally have a limited shelf life at any one club, and it would appear that his time here is coming to an end. He doesn’t deserve any of the vitriolic comments towards him and it would really be best for all concerned that a mutual parting of the ways is agreed with thanks to him for what he’s achieved at the club. That would be the classy way for it to happen (Not that I think that will happen though!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: They're not bad technically in any case IMO, but I don't want to digress. Average over 50% possession for a start, though that can be misleading of course. Holtby (ex PL, CL and Bundesliga player), Evans, Travis are all sound in midfield- Dack of course injured is icing on the cake. Armstrong is good, I like their CBs not bad on the ball- like Nyambe. I'm getting off the point though- I think Mowbray would absolutely get more out of our squad than LJ. Sure. I don't mean to suggest they're a poor side. They've a lot of solid Championship players. But I don't believe that, in terms of personnel, they are a better side than us or one that would be competing for the play-offs without Mowbray doing a really good job of getting the best out of the tools at his disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: What examples of a lack of professionalism as a player do you have? By all means have a go at him as a manager. Enough ammunition without creating new ones out of thin air Wow you obviously did not notice the player that only got on the field due to a relative selecting the team. A player so tactically and safety aware in his last 2 seasons he was an expert in avoiding contact with the ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, dave36 said: Wow you obviously did not notice the player that only got on the field due to a relative selecting the team. A player so tactically and safety aware in his last 2 seasons he was an expert in avoiding contact with the ball! So lee had a lack of professionalism because Gary picked him? As I said, have a go at him for many things but NOT lack of professionalism. Pretty disgusting slur to criticise him for that when it’s clearly not the case. That’s the last thing anyone can level at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: So lee had a lack of professionalism because Gary picked him? As I said, have a go at him for many things but NOT lack of professionalism. Pretty disgusting slur to criticise him for that when it’s clearly not the case. That’s the last thing anyone can level at him. I rather liked Lee as a player, and felt it dented our promotion chances when he was crocked towards the end of the play-off season...but it's not helped his reputation amongst his doubters that of the 405 games of professional football he played the overwhelming majority were for Yeovil and City when his Dad was the manager...of those 405 games all but 39 were for the two clubs. I know he played a few games under Millen but what's that? 90% for his Dad? And as a manager most of his career has been under an owner who is a mate of his Dad. Personally I don't doubt his professionalism, but a whiff of nepotism has done him no favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Red Exile said: I rather liked Lee as a player, and felt it dented our promotion chances when he was crocked towards the end of the play-off season...but it's not helped his reputation amongst his doubters that of the 405 games of professional football he played the overwhelming majority were for Yeovil and City when his Dad was the manager...of those 405 games all but 39 were for the two clubs. I know he played a few games under Millen but what's that? 90% for his Dad? And as a manager most of his career has been under an owner who is a mate of his Dad. Personally I don't doubt his professionalism, but a whiff of nepotism has done him no favours. That is why I was extremely disappointed when LJ was recruited by SL. We could do with a total, complete break with the Johnson family. We need an entirely new outlook at the playing side of the Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, Red Exile said: , but a whiff of nepotism has done him no favours. whiff? Stench more like ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Let's be fair, football and favoritism and nepotism is far from uncommon, these days especially- maybe it's just easier to find these days but it's far from uncommon. Perhaps it never was that rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, dave36 said: Wow you obviously did not notice the player that only got on the field due to a relative selecting the team. A player so tactically and safety aware in his last 2 seasons he was an expert in avoiding contact with the ball! Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Let's be fair, football and favoritism and nepotism is far from uncommon, these days especially- maybe it's just easier to find these days but it's far from uncommon. Perhaps it never was that rare. Maybe, but I think we'd struggle to find another professional footballer who'd played over 400 matches and almost exclusively for his Dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 5 hours ago, NickJ said: These 2 TV games with the drinks breaks have perfectly exposed Johnson's utter incompetence. You see Mowbray and Monk with most of the players gathered round their coach who is err, coaching, talking to the players, presumably giving instructions and motivating. Watch Johnson. Nothing. Except the second half break today which he spent the entire time arguing with the 4th official. Johnson spends most of most games arguing with the 4th official, so not so much of a surprise, but really, apart from picking the team and substitutions like some sort of xBox geek, it's hard to see any contribution from the person whose official title is "Head Coach".. I shouldn’t hold Mowbray and Monk up as examples just because their teams beat us. Blackburn lost yesterday and you can put your house on it that Sheffield Wednesday will lose their next game. it seems most teams beat us then lose their next game. We just lightweights at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 hours ago, irishreds said: Boro and Swansea's Captain's with great leadership qualities, read Bruce Rioch's comments about Mowbray. Johnson was in my opinion a poor player (extremely fortunate to play over 170 times for our club) and certainly displayed no leadership skills. No track record as a manager, a dreadful appointment. Run out of likes but fully agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 10 hours ago, NickJ said: These 2 TV games with the drinks breaks have perfectly exposed Johnson's utter incompetence. You see Mowbray and Monk with most of the players gathered round their coach who is err, coaching, talking to the players, presumably giving instructions and motivating. Watch Johnson. Nothing. Except the second half break today which he spent the entire time arguing with the 4th official. Johnson spends most of most games arguing with the 4th official, so not so much of a surprise, but really, apart from picking the team and substitutions like some sort of xBox geek, it's hard to see any contribution from the person whose official title is "Head Coach".. its because none of our players speak to him or vice versa . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 12 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Let's be fair, football and favoritism and nepotism is far from uncommon, these days especially- maybe it's just easier to find these days but it's far from uncommon. Perhaps it never was that rare. Ferguson, and Pulis are good examples of looking after their boys, but not to the extent of Johnson senior. I firmly believe it cost us the playoff final but water under the bridge now. However, enough people really disliked him as a player and felt he was picked because of his dad, so his appointment as head coach was unfortunately not surprising, and therefore very divisive, and compounded by the love in with the Lansdowns, evident when he was retained when any other coach would have been shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted June 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 16 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: its because none of our players speak to him or vice versa . Do you mean that literally? Based on watching the drinks breaks in the TV games, it certainly seems that wouldn't necessarily be far from the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 3 hours ago, NickJ said: Do you mean that literally? Based on watching the drinks breaks in the TV games, it certainly seems that wouldn't necessarily be far from the truth. Yes mate not saying all but the atmosphere is toxic i know a few ex players still with mates at the club.Hes poison . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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