The Batman Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: This is apparently getting very interesting. The allegation is that Wigan’s new owners put a bundle on them to go down. The recent form panicked them, and as such they triggered the admin and points deduction to try and ensure relegation. As I said before, buying a club at start of June when we were in COVID and putting them into admin now doesn’t seem to suggest admin was caused by the pandemic. There may well be darker forces here.. Yes I saw that too. So ludicrous it may just be real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Another triumph for the EFL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Latest (potential BS) rumour I've read is someone who was passed for the fit and proper persons test doesn't actually exist, no real credible source yet though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, hodge said: Latest (potential BS) rumour I've read is someone who was passed for the fit and proper persons test doesn't actually exist, no real credible source yet though Wouldn’t surprise me if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said: Wouldn’t surprise me if true If you click on the tweet that The Batman shared, it has all the details of this on there. There is potentially a made up Asian business owner at the heart of all of this.... Lots of what's said makes frightening reading to be honest, and extremely plausible. If true, the EFL needs the biggest shakeup in its history in my view. How many times do fans of various clubs have to suffer at the hands of them for failing to protect them with an actual fit and proper persons test, and corrupt money men trying to bleed the club dry of every pound it's got. Shambolic if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 It's unclear how much blame can be attached to the EFL at this stage...I read that thread earlier I think, very interesting stuff. The Fit and Proper Persons Test. I wrote a little about this the other day and though I can't find an article from a couple of years ago slamming its limitations, this is a bit of it: Quote So what is the test? Essentially, the test isn’t so much a ‘test’, but rather a set of conditions which must be met in order for the EFL to deem an individual or business ‘fit and proper’ to run a football club. The EFL’s own website talks about how the test is designed to protect the image and integrity of the EFL, the leagues and the clubs. Anybody who takes over as a director of a football club, or the owner of more than 30% of a club’s shares, has to meet the criteria set. The full details of the EFL’s conditions and criteria is quite lengthy and can be read here. However, in short, the main points are that anyone who has unspent criminal convictions involving dishonesty, or has ran a football club into administration twice (or two separate clubs into administration), is not allowed to run a football club. I'll certainly try and find more detail. Wasn't Shaun Harvey in a senior role- at Leeds and at Bradford- when they went into admin?? Yet the EFL elevated him to the role of their leader! https://www.otbfootball.net/the-fit-proper-persons-test-a-football-fallacy/ https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-3---owners-and-directors-test/ The EFL's actual regulations in full, listed in the 2nd link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugarwray Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Tough on Wigan, they have some great fans. Happy memories of Springfield Park and the time we played them in the top flight. At least that was according to the matchday programme that claimed the fixture was in Division One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: It's unclear how much blame can be attached to the EFL at this stage...I read that thread earlier I think, very interesting stuff. The Fit and Proper Persons Test. I wrote a little about this the other day and though I can't find an article from a couple of years ago slamming its limitations, this is a bit of it: I'll certainly try and find more detail. Wasn't Shaun Harvey in a senior role- at Leeds and at Bradford- when they went into admin?? Yet the EFL elevated him to the role of their leader! https://www.otbfootball.net/the-fit-proper-persons-test-a-football-fallacy/ https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-3---owners-and-directors-test/ The EFL's actual regulations in full, listed in the 2nd link. Pop, you just have to look at the recent history of crooks that have passed this pointless test to know it's not worth the paper it's written on. The only ones that suffer are the fans. The EFL and the crooked owners just get away with it time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Akira said: Pop, you just have to look at the recent history of crooks that have passed this pointless test to know it's not worth the paper it's written on. The only ones that suffer are the fans. The EFL and the crooked owners just get away with it time and time again. It's not terribly good you're right. There are but two ways that it can be changed: The FA taking or being granted some stiffer powers or thre Government legislating on this, to give clubs the status they deserve as community assets. Failing that, the club owners voting for some proper strict regulation on this matter- the EFL can't unilaterally impose this here. Sadly. This bit is key- the club owners themselves would need to vote to restrict and further regulate themselves in essence. Turkeys and Christmas spring to mind? The first article actually shows that some plans for genuine reform by the former chairman- not Harvey- was in the pipeline or was finding favour but he left in September 2018, it fell off the narrative and things just carried on as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Clubs very much are community assets, christ, you only have to go to places like Leeds, Newcastle, Sheffield, the entire city is devoted to their football team. Take that away, and they've got nothing. Football is a part of so many people's lives, a break from the 9-5 office job, a talking point, a chance to socialise, to feel part of a bigger family. All for some bent businessman to walk in and try and Rob the club of its assets and funds? Absolutely disgraceful. And it happens far too often. Charlton still going through some crap recently I believe, owners stripping club assets to make a quick buck. Something has to change, but as usual, nothing does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 If owners can decide on through majority vote, the regulation in that respect, what hope change? Agree with your post though, absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Read the thread. (Have unrolled the twitter thread here.) If this is true then that is a shocking failure from the fit and proper owners test. It certainly needs to be investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Read the thread. (Have unrolled the twitter thread here.) If this is true then that is a shocking failure from the fit and proper owners test. It certainly needs to be investigated. There's a test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Might be some Wigan players worth going for in the next window. They are in great form. And their manager perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Doesn’t get over the fact that if true this is possibly the biggest attempted scam ever pulled in any professional sport. Push a club into administration to win a bet on relegation. It sounds ridiculous but a lot of “dodgy” money in football, especially from the Far East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted July 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Crazy if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Far East should be banned buying football clubs In this country,A football club is not an investment it's just a toy and Nobody makes money out of owning a football club, So it really does make you wonder what they really get back and what the motive is to own a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Street red said: Far East should be banned buying football clubs In this country,A football club is not an investment it's just a toy and Nobody makes money out of owning a football club, So it really does make you wonder what they really get back and what the motive is to own a club. Exactly. As the old adage goes, "How do you make a small fortune out of a football club? Start with a large one." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 We are all aware of Match-Fixing, but Season-Fixing (alleged).....wow! EFL need to act, quickly. I hope Wigan muster enough points minus the 12 to stay up, but this is pretty serious stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 The way I read that. the bet isn't the full motive, maybe. Buy Wigan, share price shoots up, sell a load of shares at the higher rate, pocket the wedge, lose interest in the club, place it in administration. By putting the club in admin, extra wedge is possible from an alleged bet. Extremely dodgy! I feel very sorry for the fans of Wigan Athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Simon Jordan ranting about this on TalkSPORT , if this is true it raises questions about the integrity of the whole fit & purpose test He mentions about Palace having the floodlights turned off because the results weren’t going the way of Far East betting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 04/07/2020 at 12:34, JonDolman said: Might be some Wigan players worth going for in the next window. They are in great form. Only ones I would be interested in is Kipre the CB and Anthony Robinson at LB No one else really springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said: Only ones I would be interested in is Kipre the CB and Anthony Robinson at LB No one else really springs to mind The midfielder they got from Everton that we were interested in, Joe Williams? His disciplinary record leaves a bit to be desired mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 How much money have they had to put on Wigan getting relegated that spending £40m+ on buying them still leaves them not losing money!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, daored said: Simon Jordan ranting about this on TalkSPORT , if this is true it raises questions about the integrity of the whole fit & purpose test He mentions about Palace having the floodlights turned off because the results weren’t going the way of Far East betting I remember that, but it was betting that the lights would go out that won the dosh for the Far Eastern betting syndicates - they got caught when they tried it once too often during a Charlton game ... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-floodlights-went-out-ndash-and-an-asian-betting-syndicate-raked-in-a-fortune-2066133.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Thing to do is draw out the investigation and make them start next season on -12. That would stuff the owners up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Footman's T shirt Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I remember that, but it was betting that the lights would go out that won the dosh for the Far Eastern betting syndicates - they got caught when they tried it once too often during a Charlton game ... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-floodlights-went-out-ndash-and-an-asian-betting-syndicate-raked-in-a-fortune-2066133.html Wonder if they were doing this scam in 1994? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said: Only ones I would be interested in is Kipre the CB and Anthony Robinson at LB No one else really springs to mind 49 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: The midfielder they got from Everton that we were interested in, Joe Williams? His disciplinary record leaves a bit to be desired mind. Plus I like Jamal Lowe. Morsy decent, but probably not top 6/8? Shows how good an eye Cook has as @Harrymentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhitepurple Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 I can't take a story typed up in 140words on Twitter serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 04/07/2020 at 13:47, Ska Junkie said: The way I read that. the bet isn't the full motive, maybe. Buy Wigan, share price shoots up, sell a load of shares at the higher rate, pocket the wedge, lose interest in the club, place it in administration. By putting the club in admin, extra wedge is possible from an alleged bet. Extremely dodgy! I feel very sorry for the fans of Wigan Athletic. Don't thing they are listed, very few football teams are these days, they are worth what someone is stupid enough to buy the debts for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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