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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

 

Wowsers. That’s a great COD passing stat there Dave. It’s always reassuring to think you’ve seen something terrible and then for it to be fully backed up by the stats, ha ha. 

It’s a poor stat, particularly as it looked as though O’Dearda had a bit of a free reign tonight. Whilst he started on the left, he popped up centrally (in attack), on the right and centrally in midfield too. 
With such free reign, you’d expect him to have got on the ball more than he did. Just shows his lack of game intelligence too - if you’re free to roam, you’re generally gonna be looking for the ball all over the pitch. 

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16 minutes ago, Harry said:

Wowsers. That’s a great COD passing stat there Dave. It’s always reassuring to think you’ve seen something terrible and then for it to be fully backed up by the stats, ha ha. 

It’s a poor stat, particularly as it looked as though O’Dearda had a bit of a free reign tonight. Whilst he started on the left, he popped up centrally (in attack), on the right and centrally in midfield too. 
With such free reign, you’d expect him to have got on the ball more than he did. Just shows his lack of game intelligence too - if you’re free to roam, you’re generally gonna be looking for the ball all over the pitch. 

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and then just as a comparison, some of Jay’s charts:

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3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, Wells a tad better than Weimann and O’Dowda.  I thought his movement complimented Afobe, they closed down well as a pair.  It just isn’t working for him at the mo’.  Looks a shadow of the player I’ve seen countless times over the years.

You think Wells wants to be here Dave?

His body language is awful at times.

If LJ is still here next season, Wells won't be - by choice I suspect.

I doubt if he will be the only one looking to move.

Palmer

Kalas

Moore

Fammy

Elliasson

Nagy

All will have suitors - all have looked unhappy or been (especially Moore) poorly treated.

I can see an exodus tbh.

 

I think most are playing for next year, not the current manager.

When pro's like Hendricksen just quit - and you don't be a 57 times international captain by fluke - then something is clearly wrong with LJ's man management of experienced players.

I guess it's hard to instruct players when you have never won anything of note as player or manager.

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36 minutes ago, SX227 said:

You think Wells wants to be here Dave?

His body language is awful at times.

If LJ is still here next season, Wells won't be - by choice I suspect.

I doubt if he will be the only one looking to move.

Palmer

Kalas

Moore

Fammy

Elliasson

Nagy

All will have suitors - all have looked unhappy or been (especially Moore) poorly treated.

I can see an exodus tbh.

 

I think most are playing for next year, not the current manager.

When pro's like Hendricksen just quit - and you don't be a 57 times international captain by fluke - then something is clearly wrong with LJ's man management of experienced players.

I guess it's hard to instruct players when you have never won anything of note as player or manager.

I don't know if I fully agree on the last line- don't know if it is a pre-requisite, Frank at Brentford after all seems to be doing very well there and who had heard of him, but your post aside I broadly agree- though still think it's not too late to prevent that exodus.

The list of players, experienced and I'd add players who have played at a higher level than LJ did from here and abroad who have tailed off, fallen out, whatever is long- so long! More than that they've simply regressed before our eyes even starting quite well. Man-management, throwing under the bus- or even something seemingly more correctable but not in his case as setting up in a way that they're not used to, not comfortable with.

I think the level of this side is a) A significantly stronger style of play, identity and b) Aiming at 5th/6th. Competing with Nottingham Forest, Preston, Cardiff etc- is that really beyond us? I think the top 3 are better overall and Fulham have a very deep squad helped by parachute payments but we should be true playoff contenders IMO.

              Bentley

Hunt Moore Kalas DaSillva

   Nagy Smith Massengo

   Weimann Afobe Wells

The depth too...

           Maenpaa

Pereira Baker Kalas DaSilva

    Nagy Smith Massengo

             Palmer

        Wells Afobe

Or if you like, Team 1- Weimann as a wider forward/wider right midfielder pushed high, Afobe or Wells central and Eliasson on the left.

Paterson chips in from time to time- another useful option to have.

Has wasted Benkovic and Henriksen especially- the first a ballplaying CB from a notable nation like Croatia, the 2nd as you describe...Wells has scored some goals but not hit the heights he should. Benkovic should have been a bit of a ball carrying CB with Moore loaned out- a tad harsh loan out for me.

And that's just THIS season.

We had Magnússon- no Iceland are not one of the top sides in the world but are in a bit of a golden generation. He shackled Perisic in a WCQF- showed some potential in periods, wonder if he could've maybe developed into part of a back 3. Moore-Kalas-Magnússon, two ball carriers in there, all reasonable technically, all young enough to have the pace to squeeze up (unlike Williams might I add).

Hegeler, O'Neil- Both somewhat injury hit yet both looked rather good early on as I recall. Playing them in a 2 did them- and us- few favours I think.

Yep, top 6 contenders with a style of play to proud of- or should be!

PS- Maenpaa for Bentley for me for the foreseeable, thought so a little while ago and found it harsh that he was dropped after performing well in the 2 games before lockdown.

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5 hours ago, oldstandrobin said:

Settled in my chair to watch this match on Robins TV. Curry, beer and then first half of half decent play from us. Second half................well...................nearly finished a half bottle of scotch now. Weimann... stupid to let that free kick happen. Williams.......enough said. Korey, frustration at it's highest. SL..............IT'S TIME TO ACT NOW before you lose the faith of us fans.

I think it's a bit late to be worrying about the fans losing faith that ship has sailed. I think we are onto damage limitation, I was a season ticket holder for nearly 30 years and believe me when I say if I am beginning to lose interest the club had better beware. I'm sure there are a lot more like me out there and once they like me grow out of the habit of attending regularly it's hard to win them back, I still go down but just half as often and that is almost entirely because of the way they are playing at home and I think we all know who is responsible for that. 

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19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I don't know if I fully agree on the last line- don't know if it is a pre-requisite, Frank at Brentford after all seems to be doing very well there and who had heard of him, but your post aside I broadly agree- though still think it's not too late to prevent that exodus.

The list of players, experienced and I'd add players who have played at a higher level than LJ did from here and abroard who have tailed off, fallen out, whatever is long- so long! More than that they've simply regressed before our eyes even starting quite well. Man-managemebnt, throwing under the bus- or even something seemingly more correctable but not in his case as setting up in a way that they're not used to, not comfortable with.

I think the level of this side is a) A signifricantly stronger style of play, identitry and b) Aiming at 5th/6th. Competing with Nottingham Forest, Preston, Cardiff etc- is that really beyond us? I think the top 3 are better overall and Fulham have a very deep squad helped by parachute payments but we should be true playoff contenders IMO.

              Bentley

Hunt Moore Kalas DaSillva

   Nagy Smith Massengo

   Weimann Afobe Wells

The depth too...

           Maenpaa

Pereira Baker Kalas DaSilva

    Nagy Smith Massengo

             Palmer

        Wells Afobe

Or if you like, Team 1- Weimann as a wider forward/wider right midfielder pushed high, Afobe or Wells central and Eliasson on the left.

Paterson chips in from time to time- another useful option to have.

Has wasted Benkovic and Henriksen especially- the first a ballplaying CB from a notable nation like Croatia, the 2nd as you describe...Wells has scored some goals but not hit the heights he should. Benkovic should have been a bit of a ball carrying CB with Moore loaned out- a tad harsh loan out for me.

And that's just THIS season.

We had Magnússon- no Iceland are not one of the top sides in the world but are in a bit of a golden generation. He shackled Perisic in a WCQF- showed some potential in periods, wonder if he could've maybe developed into partt of a back 3. Moore-Kalas-Magnússon, two ball carriers in therte, all reasonable technically, all young enough to squeeze up.

Hegeler, O'Neil- Both somewhat injury hit yet both looked rather good early on as I recall. Playing them in a 2 did them- and us- few favours I think.

Yep, top 6 contenders with a style of play to proud of- or should be!

I'd have kept Mags for sure Mr P.

Agree with pretty much all you wrote.

Why play Williams and Baker ( who is so obviously playing out of his skin for a new contract elsewhere) and sign Benkovich, then leave out or loan Kalas and Moore?

Kalas Moore and Baker are my chosen back 3 - yet I'd bet good money that if LJ stays, Kalas and Baker request a move, and a solid offer comes in from a championship side for Moore.

 

Only thing I disagree with is that I honestly feel that managers need to win something at a decent level to be taken seriously by guys that pay at World Cups and in European comps.

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Quite right what you guys are saying about winning something, playing at a top club etc in order to motivate your players long term. LJ's issue is that he has to be a superb coach and then maintain that level consistently for his players to want to always play for him... It is blindingly obvious they often don't. Not LJ's fault; he simply has that permanent limitation. I think the amount of player signings, the quality, the money spent is an enormous force for good and faith by Steve Lansdown. Clearly he is, or was, desperate for this to work. It must be finally dawning on him that no amount of support is going to give Lee that extra he needs to succeed. He is simply unable to do a job to that higher level necessary to be a long term success. I think that is all there is to it.

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