Major Isewater Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: This might not work in our favour,,,, anyone coming into a championship club in this day and age with no idea of when paying fans will be coming in, is not coming into a normal situation. we have been well stripped of saleable assets,,, so at the moment the most valuable player is probably elliasson. But its unlikely anyone will be spending 10 million or so on him in the current market, meaning any incomings will most likely be free transfers or cheap incomings... hardly a big carrot to someone like hughton is it?! It’s the same scenario for every club though. Nobody really knows what sort of money we will have or if FFP is abandoned temporarily. No one can say definitely that clubs will be able to welcome back the fans at the start of the new season and if there will be a second wave of Covid-19 which would bugger up any financial projections. We are lucky to have Uncle Steve’s pocket money giving us a certain stability but we cannot employ anybody without considering the possibility of hugely reduced revenue and that many people in the football world are going to have to rethink their contract demands due to this financial situation. A lot of players and staff are going to be out of work as clubs cut their losses. Only the sensible ones will get new jobs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 Strange business football, in what other industry are the underlings paid more than the manager? If our manager was the highest paid in the club I would see that as a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadredfred Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, ProfitInMyPocket said: CH and Phil Neville are doing a talk on leadership at my housemates work this week. Does your housemate work at Ashton Gate by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Portland Bill said: I genuinely haven’t got a clue who she is! I call her Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: I genuinely haven’t got a clue who she is! 55 minutes ago, phantom said: Voders' replacement upgrade on Countdown 55 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: You would........ ............have two from the top and one from the bottom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 39 minutes ago, BigTone said: That's football. However, let's say LJ was on £500k and a new experienced guy wants £1m then that leaves us £500k to find. With the average Championship players wage being in excess of £20k per week then we have probably covered the extra over cost by letting Bailey Wright go and not replacing him. You overlooked the loss of supporter and commercial income, risk of refunding ST payments etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, BigTone said: The highest average in the Championship is £29k by all accounts. However, surely you understand my point. We have players in our squad who have zero chance of making it at the club so they need to be moved on. If we get a lower fee (or anything at all) then that's the way football is going for all clubs. If we can save a wage then that's a big benefit to us. It’s not only the fee, prudent Clubs will probably be offering lower salaries and quite possibly, short term contracts. Even if not part of the playing squad, there will definitely be an incentive to stay and see out the contract/ wait until normality returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Negan said: Here's my £50. Christ. Is Lansdown crowdfunding it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, BigTone said: That's football. However, let's say LJ was on £500k and a new experienced guy wants £1m then that leaves us £500k to find. With the average Championship players wage being in excess of £20k per week then we have probably covered the extra over cost by letting Bailey Wright go and not replacing him. 34 minutes ago, BigTone said: The highest average in the Championship is £29k by all accounts. However, surely you understand my point. We have players in our squad who have zero chance of making it at the club so they need to be moved on. If we get a lower fee (or anything at all) then that's the way football is going for all clubs. If we can save a wage then that's a big benefit to us. That’s exactly it Big Tone. Taylor and Wright is probably best part of £20k per week that we don’t need to carry into next season...a bit more if you add in Maenpaa too. You could easily add in Smith (with a heavy heart) and Williams and in total you are probably talking £50k per week for those 5 players. Of course club will potentially have budgeted for not offering any of them a new deal. Here is what the new manager is “left” with. There are some in that list to be ruthless about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Chappers said: You overlooked the loss of supporter and commercial income, risk of refunding ST payments etc. When we are sure that is the case then we can account for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chappers said: It’s not only the fee, prudent Clubs will probably be offering lower salaries and quite possibly, short term contracts. Even if not part of the playing squad, there will definitely be an incentive to stay and see out the contract/ wait until normality returns. Of course but then I'm sure we have a good few players getting towards contract end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: That’s exactly it Big Tone. Taylor and Wright is probably best part of £20k per week that we don’t need to carry into next season...a bit more if you add in Maenpaa too. You could easily add in Smith (with a heavy heart) and Williams and in total you are probably talking £50k per week for those 5 players. Of course club will potentially have budgeted for not offering any of them a new deal. Here is what the new manager is “left” with. There are some in that list to be ruthless about. There are probably 10 there who have no chance of progressing. Even if only half of them moved on then that's a good wedge to be used elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P'head Red Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 @Kid in the Riot would you suggest this is now a two horse race between Hughton and Gerrard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, BigTone said: There are probably 10 there who have no chance of progressing. Even if only half of them moved on then that's a good wedge to be used elsewhere. Yep. Moving players on will be interesting. Might have to continue contributing to wages in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, BigTone said: When we are sure that is the case then we can account for it. Think we are pretty sure right now, and in any case, you err on the side of caution at times like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said: Or become a tax exile, or sell some valueless shares to himself to cover the amount input? He's a shrewd man, he knows what he is doing I don't get what correlation you've made. He's sold valued shares (last time I checked H&L were still trading?) and invested in us multiple times more than fans will have generated. Whether or not he saves tax offshore what does that have to do with his investment in our club? He could of spent that elsewhere. If you we're responding to a moral question on tax I'd get your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Show Me The Money! said: Do you mind not posting images of my missus thanks If my Mrs looked like that SMTT, I wouldn't waste time posting on here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 21 hours ago, Lrrr said: They've shortened but its marginal, decimal odds its gone from 1.62 to 1.57 Hughton back out to 4/5 now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yep. Moving players on will be interesting. Might have to continue contributing to wages in some cases. Absolutely, but the long term benefit is there to be seen. In these uncertain times then all clubs will need to ensure they have sleeker but quality squads. The times of taking a punt on a player are over I think. However, I also see that as being a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, Chappers said: Think we are pretty sure right now, and in any case, you err on the side of caution at times like this. Nobody is sure of anything just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: Absolutely, but the long term benefit is there to be seen. In these uncertain times then all clubs will need to ensure they have sleeker but quality squads. The times of taking a punt on a player are over I think. However, I also see that as being a good thing. Agree again Tone. At the top end of the Championship it’s not a numbers game, hoping someone comes good. It’s got to be top quality recruitment, not guesswork. A coherent plan, recruitment to than plan and take the risk out. We should not be taking punts, everything should be calculated decision making. I accept not everything will come off, but the intention has to be there. Our current model does seem to include buying players to stop others buying them in the “hope” they come good. If they don’t you can still sell them for a similar amount to what you bought them for. Eisa a good example. That model is about to become dangerous as you’re stuck with a bunch of assets potentially not worth what you paid for them, nor can you get shot of because the clubs in the division can’t pay the wages you paid to make you attractive in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Hughton back out to 4/5 now And Gerrard shortened into 5/2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree again Tone. At the top end of the Championship it’s not a numbers game, hoping someone comes good. It’s got to be top quality recruitment, not guesswork. A coherent plan, recruitment to than plan and take the risk out. We should not be taking punts, everything should be calculated decision making. I accept not everything will come off, but the intention has to be there. Our current model does seem to include buying players to stop others buying them in the “hope” they come good. If they don’t you can still sell them for a similar amount to what you bought them for. Eisa a good example. That model is about to become dangerous as you’re stuck with a bunch of assets potentially not worth what you paid for them, nor can you get shot of because the clubs in the division can’t pay the wages you paid to make you attractive in the first place. Spot on Sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: And Gerrard shortened into 5/2. Just getting close to my pre-game announcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: If my Mrs looked like that SMTT, I wouldn't waste time posting on here!! Come on Son, you know your Mum & I love her dearly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, BigTone said: Come on Son, you know your Mum & I love her dearly That's Ian Dowie in drag and I claim my £10! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 minute ago, downendcity said: That's Ian Dowie in drag and I claim my £10! She's not that good looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, BigTone said: Come on Son, you know your Mum & I love her dearly Caught her on a good day then dad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: That’s exactly it Big Tone. Taylor and Wright is probably best part of £20k per week that we don’t need to carry into next season...a bit more if you add in Maenpaa too. You could easily add in Smith (with a heavy heart) and Williams and in total you are probably talking £50k per week for those 5 players. Of course club will potentially have budgeted for not offering any of them a new deal. Here is what the new manager is “left” with. There are some in that list to be ruthless about. Blige! thats a shocking list when you see it laid out like that. and your mate said we had "a brill squad".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, BigTone said: A coherent plan, recruitment to than plan and take the risk out. Sorry Tone,, I seem to have accredited you for Dave's wise words... I'm sure you don't mind as were singing from the same hymn sheet.. Have a picture in your head of exactly how you wish your team to play - then recruit the players in their positions that will most likely be able to do that. Simple eh ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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