Portland Bill Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said: I’m not a greatest fan of LJ, but if we’re talking about fairness, who’s to say LJ couldn’t have got a team promoted from League 2? Both Lowe’s promotions have been from League 2 to League 1, so there’s no guarantee he can even get out of League 1, let alone take us up from the Championship. We had a bloke in Steve Cotterill who took us up as Champions from a league higher than Lowe has managed and then hit a brick wall in the Championship. Lowe may be someone who is just beginning his upward trajectory but imho, it would be a massive risk to pin our hopes on Lowe and we’ll look mighty stupid if we choose him over Hughton and then fail dismally. I’m not sure SL would ever live that one down. I want Hughton to be our manager. All I was saying is Ryan Lowe has a perfect record in the job he has chosen to do. Lee Johnson, could have applied for League 2 jobs, he could have tested himself at that level, he chose not to. He has managed three football teams and has achieved nothing, Ryan Lowe has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 4 hours ago, 42104RED said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12205839/bristol-city-chris-hughton-robbie-fowler-new-manager/ It would have been more believable if they had said "due to Robbie Fowler interest". Cue Robbie Fowler... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Red_Alligator said: Did Lez go to Oxford? That would explain a lot. Second best is seldom rewarding. Sniff. I doubt that he's even been to McDonald's in Oxford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: I want Hughton to be our manager. All I was saying is Ryan Lowe has a perfect record in the job he has chosen to do. Lee Johnson, could have applied for League 2 jobs, he could have tested himself at that level, he chose not to. He has managed three football teams and has achieved nothing, Ryan Lowe has. I completely see where you were coming from PB and agree re LJ and was why I was totally underwhelmed when we appointed him ..... he really hadn’t achieved anything to justify it. I also get your point about RL’s promotions, but my fear now is the club may be putting more emphasis on finding someone who fits ‘the project’ rather than someone with the best chance of achieving success. The Club are keeping things amazingly quiet, so we’re all left to just speculate, but the Club’s priorities should become crystal clear once the appointment is announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Monkeh said: Like cotts? Keith Dawe has gone now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said: I completely see where you were coming from PB and agree re LJ and was why I was totally underwhelmed when we appointed him ..... he really hadn’t achieved anything to justify it. I also get your point about RL’s promotions, but my fear now is the club may be putting more emphasis on finding someone who fits ‘the project’ rather than someone with the best chance of achieving success. The Club are keeping things amazingly quiet, so we’re all left to just speculate, but the Club’s priorities should become crystal clear once the appointment is announced. We seem to be a club that likes to keep things under wraps, we do it with transfer fees, we don’t release details, it’s only agents and the other club involved who release those figures. So none of this surprises me tbh. Its simply the way SL conducts the clubs business. There could be many reasons why no manager has been announced yet, lots of things go on behind the scenes that we are not privy too, it could be that we have someone who wants to get his backroom staff sorted first. Someone who didn’t feel comfortable about being announced while the current coaches were/are still doing their jobs. None of us know, we just have 100 pages of speculation!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: We seem to be a club that likes to keep things under wraps, we do it with transfer fees, we don’t release details, it’s only agents and the other club involved who release those figures. So none of this surprises me tbh. Its simply the way SL conducts the clubs business. There could be many reasons why no manager has been announced yet, lots of things go on behind the scenes that we are not privy too, it could be that we have someone who wants to get his backroom staff sorted first. Someone who didn’t feel comfortable about being announced while the current coaches were/are still doing their jobs. None of us know, we just have 100 pages of speculation!! Oh yes, they certainly run a tight ship and it’s pretty impressive how they manage to stop anything coming out until they’re ready and that’s no bad thing. Let’s just hope they get it right and we don’t end up with a meltdown on here, as it seems to be universally agreed that this will be a difinitive appointment for us and some of the names being banded about won’t go down well if chosen over CH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 I'd like to know more about Torrent. What I have seen and read so far looks encouraging. He would follow in the footsteps of all of those overseas coaches who have come in to a Championship club and done very well. Jokanovic, Frank, Bielsa. None with a Championship record. Forward thinking clubs who have tried the Hughton type route have been successful and have failed in equal measure, metaphorically you understand because there are always more failures. In order to reach the Premier League and stay there you are increasingly seeing a foreign coach, we all know that, but think about hitting the ground running like Wolves. Villa have not done so well have they. Then there is motor mouth at Norwich. Sadly the likes of what the Blades have done is currently the minority. Swings and roundabouts yes. Trends and abilities are always evolving of course and we will see a pool of great English coaches coming again, we are already seeing it. I just feel that if we were going to appoint Chris Hughton we would have done it by now. He is in England, he is available. An overseas coach takes a lot more to organise and reading about someone like Torrent I am verging on preferring such a candidate not least because he seems to play far more exciting football than Hughton and would, I think, be better suited after promotion. The secrecy, to me, points to such a candidate because many clubs will be looking at him; Watford for one. Pep? Have a word mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Harry said: I know it’s a long thread so probably lost a few times along the way, but I’ve mentioned from the start that Hughton simply doesn’t fit the structure. Don’t get me wrong, I’d have him and he’s the absolute sensible choice. But City have been clear that they want a young manager who will fit the ‘head coach’ role, not the ‘manager’ role. This is clearly the dilemma our board are facing. If they go with the sensible and clearly popular choice they’ll need to break their structure. Some noses will be put out of joint and some toes will be stepped on. There are existing board members and staff at BCFC who think that Hughton will not sing and dance to the tune of the current structure (ie focus on youth, working under a DoF, accept that we’ll be buying players to maximise sales, playing strictly within FFP etc etc). I know there are concerns that there’ll be a ‘short termism’ rather than the ‘long term project’ which LJ was happy to buy into (this means treating the academy with as much focus and respect as the first team). That sort of stuff. As I said. I’d take Hughton, so don’t shoot the messenger. But there is clearly a situation where Hughton doesn’t fit the profile, and yet is clearly the stand out candidate. The board are clearly contemplating this and looking to see if there is anyone who fits their bill before settling for Hughton. In one sense, you have to admire them for sticking to their remit and the structure/philosophy/plan. In another sense you think, jeez, just do it already!! I understand what your saying Harry but Hughton worked under Dan Ashcroft (Technical Director) and Paul Winstanley (head of recruitment ) at Brighton, Ashcroft's roll is not too dissimilar to Ashton's. I agree about the the youth to a certain degree though but not totally, Hughton is renowned for picked his best 11 and sticking with it, he doesn't chop and change much.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokes7 Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 I also think if we were gonna appoint hughton we would have by now, Ashton said from the start what city are looking for and hughton does not fit that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, stokes7 said: I also think if we were gonna appoint hughton we would have by now, Ashton said from the start what city are looking for and hughton does not fit that Im starting to think the same, I think we are looking for a Graham Potter type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, stokes7 said: I also think if we were gonna appoint hughton we would have by now, Ashton said from the start what city are looking for and hughton does not fit that Agree, you just know we will all be underwhelmed, it's the City way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 hours ago, havanatopia said: I'd like to know more about Torrent. What I have seen and read so far looks encouraging. He would follow in the footsteps of all of those overseas coaches who have come in to a Championship club and done very well. Jokanovic, Frank, Bielsa. None with a Championship record. Forward thinking clubs who have tried the Hughton type route have been successful and have failed in equal measure, metaphorically you understand because there are always more failures. In order to reach the Premier League and stay there you are increasingly seeing a foreign coach, we all know that, but think about hitting the ground running like Wolves. Villa have not done so well have they. Then there is motor mouth at Norwich. Sadly the likes of what the Blades have done is currently the minority. Swings and roundabouts yes. Trends and abilities are always evolving of course and we will see a pool of great English coaches coming again, we are already seeing it. I just feel that if we were going to appoint Chris Hughton we would have done it by now. He is in England, he is available. An overseas coach takes a lot more to organise and reading about someone like Torrent I am verging on preferring such a candidate not least because he seems to play far more exciting football than Hughton and would, I think, be better suited after promotion. The secrecy, to me, points to such a candidate because many clubs will be looking at him; Watford for one. Pep? Have a word mate. Unfortunately the Torrent link has no substance except one particular poster saying they heard something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 hours ago, havanatopia said: I'd like to know more about Torrent. What I have seen and read so far looks encouraging. He would follow in the footsteps of all of those overseas coaches who have come in to a Championship club and done very well. Jokanovic, Frank, Bielsa. None with a Championship record. Forward thinking clubs who have tried the Hughton type route have been successful and have failed in equal measure, metaphorically you understand because there are always more failures. In order to reach the Premier League and stay there you are increasingly seeing a foreign coach, we all know that, but think about hitting the ground running like Wolves. Villa have not done so well have they. Then there is motor mouth at Norwich. Sadly the likes of what the Blades have done is currently the minority. Swings and roundabouts yes. Trends and abilities are always evolving of course and we will see a pool of great English coaches coming again, we are already seeing it. I just feel that if we were going to appoint Chris Hughton we would have done it by now. He is in England, he is available. An overseas coach takes a lot more to organise and reading about someone like Torrent I am verging on preferring such a candidate not least because he seems to play far more exciting football than Hughton and would, I think, be better suited after promotion. The secrecy, to me, points to such a candidate because many clubs will be looking at him; Watford for one. Pep? Have a word mate. Torrent does sound an interesting one, but considering the only mention of a link has been through the forum’s new chief wum, we’ll probably find this is just another of their wind up’s and total bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, stokes7 said: I also think if we were gonna appoint hughton we would have by now, Ashton said from the start what city are looking for and hughton does not fit that Maybe he's on holiday in Spain. If so then prepare for a longer wait !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 9 hours ago, ScottishRed said: Rate them both. But do we really want to appoint someone who really needs a break from it all. CH is fresh and ready to go. I hope this is true. I have voiced this concern before, so I won’t labour the point, but is he really hungry enough at 61 to go through the whole process again? The signs in interviews etc, suggests he would be, but he’s hardly going to say, “I’m just looking for a last payday in a nice part of the world”. It’s my only word of caution, I still think he is the best name we have heard anything substantial about, but if I thought there was a serious chance of getting Jokanovic for instance, I would definitely be more interested in that kind of appointment, 10 years younger and clearly up for a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Betting still not reopen on the next city manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, M.D said: I understand what your saying Harry but Hughton worked under Dan Ashcroft (Technical Director) and Paul Winstanley (head of recruitment ) at Brighton, Ashcroft's roll is not too dissimilar to Ashton's. I agree about the the youth to a certain degree though but not totally, Hughton is renowned for picked his best 11 and sticking with it, he doesn't chop and change much.. Good point M.D. They’ve a similar but slightly different set up. Winstanley is a Head of Recruitment, almost a modern style head scout where he looks after the scouting network as well as the analytics. We don’t have such a person in place. Gilhespy is more of a ‘video’ scout, not someone who runs the whole scouting dept. Ashworth is the Technical Director and performs many tasks that Ashton also does. But Ashton is basically 1 man that does both of those roles that Ashworth & Winstanley perform. It’s 1 man in total control of all of it. Interestingly Ashworth only arrived 6-7 months before Hughton left - so maybe Hughton wasn’t overly comfortable with the set up. Certainly, there’s an opinion out there that Hughton wasn’t given much to play with since Ashworth arrived, with blame being put toward Winstanley too (there were never any complaints about their recruitment prior to Ashworth’s arrival). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harry said: Good point M.D. They’ve a similar but slightly different set up. Winstanley is a Head of Recruitment, almost a modern style head scout where he looks after the scouting network as well as the analytics. We don’t have such a person in place. Gilhespy is more of a ‘video’ scout, not someone who runs the whole scouting dept. Ashworth is the Technical Director and performs many tasks that Ashton also does. But Ashton is basically 1 man that does both of those roles that Ashworth & Winstanley perform. It’s 1 man in total control of all of it. Interestingly Ashworth only arrived 6-7 months before Hughton left - so maybe Hughton wasn’t overly comfortable with the set up. Certainly, there’s an opinion out there that Hughton wasn’t given much to play with since Ashworth arrived, with blame being put toward Winstanley too (there were never any complaints about their recruitment prior to Ashworth’s arrival). To be fair you can go on any forum in the world and find the same post, Fans are never happy Im not saying everything is perfect with ashton but its alot better then before him thats for sure, We still need a proper head scout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Thought it was stated ages ago Luke Williams was going to be our next Manager anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, M.D said: Im starting to think the same, I think we are looking for a Graham Potter type Who could if Swansea fail to go up, be approachable. However I think they are going to sneak it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 10 hours ago, YGBjammy said: Presumably they won't announce on a Sunday right? Can I have a break from checking the website? Right now we are in the nervous 90's should make 3 figures by close of play today unless heavy cloudy cover and the ball starts seaming . Not sure what the OTIB record thread currently stands at -I'm guessing Eddie Nketiah but stand to be corrected.* *Excluding Bristol Rovers Dustbin Thread which is a perennial source of mirth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said: Right now we are in the nervous 90's should make 3 figures by close of play today unless heavy cloudy cover and the ball starts seaming . Not sure what the OTIB record thread currently stands at -I'm guessing Eddie Nketiah but stand to be corrected. Any thread not connected to the other lot, you mean?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awbb Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, Badger08 said: Just imagining Ryan Lowe popping up last minute like: BOSH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Portland Bill said: We seem to be a club that likes to keep things under wraps, we do it with transfer fees, we don’t release details, it’s only agents and the other club involved who release those figures. So none of this surprises me tbh. Its simply the way SL conducts the clubs business. There could be many reasons why no manager has been announced yet, lots of things go on behind the scenes that we are not privy too, it could be that we have someone who wants to get his backroom staff sorted first. Someone who didn’t feel comfortable about being announced while the current coaches were/are still doing their jobs. None of us know, we just have 100 pages of speculation!! Have to wait until the end of the season before pep is announced obvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Harry said: LJ was here to help build the ‘project’, establish the ‘pathway’, adhere to FFP, competing with bigger budgeted clubs with parachute payments etc, it was a slowly slowly catchy monkey remit for him. Sadly, it was mostly, and then only, "slowly, slowly" - with a growing evidence of "go around-y in a circle-y" - and no "catchy monkey." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 23/07/2020 at 06:37, bris red said: The reason for the delay is blindingly obvious. The club is waiting for CH to change his surname to Johnson and the registry office doesn't open till 9 on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuno Gomes Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 I’m told the reason for the delay is that he is on holiday in Spain. Seriously perhaps the board is waiting on the completion of the Premiership to see if there is any fall-out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Harry said: Good point M.D. They’ve a similar but slightly different set up. Winstanley is a Head of Recruitment, almost a modern style head scout where he looks after the scouting network as well as the analytics. We don’t have such a person in place. Gilhespy is more of a ‘video’ scout, not someone who runs the whole scouting dept. Ashworth is the Technical Director and performs many tasks that Ashton also does. But Ashton is basically 1 man that does both of those roles that Ashworth & Winstanley perform. It’s 1 man in total control of all of it. Interestingly Ashworth only arrived 6-7 months before Hughton left - so maybe Hughton wasn’t overly comfortable with the set up. Certainly, there’s an opinion out there that Hughton wasn’t given much to play with since Ashworth arrived, with blame being put toward Winstanley too (there were never any complaints about their recruitment prior to Ashworth’s arrival). That’s the gap! Ive posted before that Ashworth and Ashton’s roles are pretty close. The gap is scouting. You’ll know much more about what’s happened there and why....but you need a professional set up with real scouts. You can’t do it all with video and data. Plus those people working the video and data need football nous too if you aren’t gonna have “football eyes” In the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 CH supposedly announced as our new manager on Radio 5 earlier. I'll believe it when I see it. We have a history of appointing the wrong man at BCFC and having our expectations shattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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