Davefevs Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, downendcity said: Thanks for the correction Dave. I know they spent heavily on wages ( a figure of £49m for their promotion year was mentioned on here) to a degree that suggested a breach of ffp. Obviously the allowable you mention brought them back under the limit. When I first started looking at finances back of all champ clubs in 17/18 season, I pulled together the following. I didn’t understand it all, and so did a lot of reading and asking stuff of people like Coppello, Mr Pop, and yourself. I’m quite comfortable with the basics, contracts, amortisation, etc,, but ground selling, rent, etc is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 hours ago, BrizzleRed said: All good points but I will just say one thing in reply. This club has had 40 years to make this step-up, so I admire your optimism that their decision making is the right one to get us there, as history certainly suggests otherwise! Oh I'm not saying they're right, any more than you're right or I'm right. Just that if the board and new manager don't see eye to eye that's a sure fire disaster, whereas if you or I don't see eye to eye with the new manager probably less so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Monkeh said: So whats wrong with the recruitment, Bentley great keeper Kalas great defender Baker good defender Dasilva promising left back England under 21 captain So on and so forth I am not talking about player recruitment I am talking about the Head Coach/Manager. You are correct with those players. One of the points I was trying to get across was that following the club's mantra of recruiting relatively cheaply, selling at large profits and ploughing some of that profit into improving the squad profile has pushed the quality of the squad up further. In real terms, to maximise that still further the coaching staff needs the same attention. Your Ford Escort, you've just put a Lotus engine in it and you still expect it to run on 2 star petrol because it's the cheap option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Nearly 100 pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der no.2 Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 99 pages of CH, I’m beginning to hallucinate, even NTTDS posts are becoming clearer (no offence John)... https://youtu.be/vPTI4m6KcJQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, Swede said: I am not talking about player recruitment I am talking about the Head Coach/Manager. You are correct with those players. One of the points I was trying to get across was that following the club's mantra of recruiting relatively cheaply, selling at large profits and ploughing some of that profit into improving the squad profile has pushed the quality of the squad up further. In real terms, to maximise that still further the coaching staff needs the same attention. Your Ford Escort, you've just put a Lotus engine in it and you still expect it to run on 2 star petrol because it's the cheap option. Our last coach did a good job, turned a relegation side into a top 10 side, just couldn't finish the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 39 minutes ago, italian dave said: Oh I'm not saying they're right, any more than you're right or I'm right. Just that if the board and new manager don't see eye to eye that's a sure fire disaster, whereas if you or I don't see eye to eye with the new manager probably less so! Ahh my mistake ID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 FFS SIGN HIM UP NOW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 I am of the opinion that a polite enquiry was made to SG. Respectfully it was declined and the papers/social media jumped up and down and all over it. To think the CH is the only man for the job is folly. He is one of many. I would further assume, the level of candidates that applied perhaps shocked one or two at the club and due diligence had to be completed. I am really not sure what the fuss is about. The process will take as long as the process does. I am hoping that the interview process was deep, searching and difficult for the candidate. This after all is modern Bristol City a club hopefully on the verge of the next steps. I mentioned it before but a very unfamous man famously said "these things take time". There are a few headless chickens in here....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, Banjo Red said: FFS SIGN HIM UP NOW!!! Be still Banjo. The hour is near......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just a thought - now Villa have stayed up and Leeds & Baggies are both promoted would a managerial candidate now look at the Championship and think `Hmmm. I could get this lot up next season`? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC1512 Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Welcome to Watford CH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Could this make page 100 Just now, Roadrunner said: Could this make page 100 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Roadrunner said: Could this make page 100 No. I wouldn’t bet against it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 33 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Our last coach did a good job, turned a relegation side into a top 10 side, just couldn't finish the job I would agree with you. I have always been of the opinion that Lee Johnson is a very bright coach and I really wanted him to succeed and take us to that next level thus vindicating the board's belief in their coaching structure. This is part of what I'm trying to convey. Is it a problem with Lee Jonson (as many on here are glibly happy to blindly blame) or has he ultimately paid the price for the club's 5 pillar recruitment policy as for the life of me I cannot understand sacking him when they did but leave the other two thirds of the coaching structure in place to carry on blindly in the same vane. So is the board's philosophy flawed? Or have we got to that level where we have to look at a different type of coach to take us forward. Prior to the rugby club coming under the Bristol Sport umbrella I would have said it would be nailed on that the board would employ a Ryan Lowe up and coming coach but the very fact that the rugby club appointed Pat Lam tells me that the football club is at that stage also and needs that important headline grabbing coach such as Chris Hughton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Swede said: I would agree with you. I have always been of the opinion that Lee Johnson is a very bright coach and I really wanted him to succeed and take us to that next level thus vindicating the board's belief in their coaching structure. This is part of what I'm trying to convey. Is it a problem with Lee Jonson (as many on here are glibly happy to blindly blame) or has he ultimately paid the price for the club's 5 pillar recruitment policy as for the life of me I cannot understand sacking him when they did but leave the other two thirds of the coaching structure in place to carry on blindly in the same vane. So is the board's philosophy flawed? Or have we got to that level where we have to look at a different type of coach to take us forward. Prior to the rugby club coming under the Bristol Sport umbrella I would have said it would be nailed on that the board would employ a Ryan Lowe up and coming coach but the very fact that the rugby club appointed Pat Lam tells me that the football club is at that stage also and needs that important headline grabbing coach such as Chris Hughton. no the philosophy is correct, the implementation is flawed, Lansdowns problem is he is too loyal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsheys step over Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 CH is the best available and has been since LJ was sacked if we don’t employ him it is another sign of lack of ambition and poor management from the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbury Red Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Walsheys step over said: CH is the best available and has been since LJ was sacked if we don’t employ him it is another sign of lack of ambition and poor management from the top Of course now that Nigel Pearson has been sacked - for a reason no one knows - does he enter the frame of possibilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Walsheys step over said: CH is the best available and has been since LJ was sacked if we don’t employ him it is another sign of lack of ambition and poor management from the top he may not be the best available, we don't know who applied for the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsheys step over Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Not for me but who knows starting to lose patience now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsheys step over Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, Monkeh said: he may not be the best available, we don't know who applied for the job I would be surprised if anyone more qualified is interested and if they are surely we should be securing their services before somebody else does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Walsheys step over said: I would be surprised if anyone more qualified is interested and if they are surely we should be securing their services before somebody else does But you don't know, No one knows outside of the club for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly The Kid Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 just watched Eddie Howe... He looks devastated (obviously) but exhausted both physically and mentally. If, in the unlikely event we were waiting to see how his situation re availability was, the short turn around would have to be considered. The psychological damage done to a manager must take time to heal and he doesn't seem the ruthless type to shrug it off and come back swinging. He just looks broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 34 minutes ago, WayOutWest said: I am really not sure what the fuss is about. The process will take as long as the process does. I am hoping that the interview process was deep, searching and difficult for the candidate. This after all is modern Bristol City a club hopefully on the verge of the next steps. I mentioned it before but a very unfamous man famously said "these things take time". There are a few headless chickens in here....... I'd not consider myself a 'headless chicken' but in bleak moments I am worried, it's been forty years now...that's a long wait... ...and I can't get the words 'trust me on Tinnion' out of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGBjammy Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 We did it. 100 pages of pure speculation. I'll let Chris know so he can sign the contract now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsheys step over Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: But you don't know, No one knows outside of the club for sure Not saying I know anything just going on previous experience of city’s employment of managers we are to slow sometimes you have to get the best available and CH was that man (he may still be that man) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, spasmcasm said: just watched Eddie Howe... He looks devastated (obviously) but exhausted both physically and mentally. If, in the unlikely event we were waiting to see how his situation re availability was, the short turn around would have to be considered. The psychological damage done to a manager must take time to heal and he doesn't seem the ruthless type to shrug it off and come back swinging. He just looks broken No chance that he was ever a potential candidate for us and I'm not sure why people thought he might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsheys step over Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, YGBjammy said: We did it. 100 pages of pure speculation. I'll let Chris know so he can sign the contract now 100 pages but you’re still contributing it’s because it matters to us and maybe we don’t trust SL to make the best footballing decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaissance Williams Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, YGBjammy said: We did it. 100 pages of pure speculation. I'll let Chris know so he can sign the contract now Let this be a lesson to Steve Lansdown. Appoint rapidly next time or OTIB will proliferate and reach a critical mass. God help us then..... (With the emphasis on the critical.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awbb Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, YGBjammy said: We did it. 100 pages of pure speculation. I'll let Chris know so he can sign the contract now Meh. Changing the post count per page down to 25 from 50 has caused hyperinflation not seen since post Great War Germany. CH wants 200 at least I would’ve thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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