sludge Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, QuedgeRed said: It’s already hit it and smashed it to pieces! You're probably be right, but I think there will still be sections of the fan base who shrug their shoulders and say - OK let's wait and see how this (DH) pans out. Not sure there'll be many of those left next time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said: You’re right, we haven’t progressed at all! Except for being 1 division up. And being established in the champ. Also the new ground. Plus the academy. And the state of the art training facilities. Oh also the general improvement of Bristol sport. But what has he done for us lately! As I’ve said on a previous thread - having new shiny infrastructure is all well and good but when you don’t invest in quite possibly the most important role at the football club (the manager) you will never truly progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, sludge said: OK I'll put it another way, if DH is appointed and it doesn't work out then the current management strategy/structure/philosophy will have appeared to have hit a glass ceiling.... No, because then we will go into a six week review and appoint Jamie Mac. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notbarrymanc Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, QuedgeRed said: It’s already hit it and smashed it to pieces! That would mean that the ceiling is no more I’m not sure you’ve quite grasped this analogy. 17 minutes ago, QuedgeRed said: Nothing on the pitch then?? Well... there’s a much better pitch. Half grass half artificial. The balls are much better. Oh and players who are an absolute fk load better than 20 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said: You’re right, we haven’t progressed at all! Except for being 1 division up. And being established in the champ. Also the new ground. Plus the academy. And the state of the art training facilities. Oh also the general improvement of Bristol sport. But what has he done for us lately! I buy all that....but 'buying' is what SL has done well, in my opinion...not 'building'. If I'm a very, very rich man, as SL is, buying a new ground or a new training facility is more or less as straightforward as selling the assets and hiring a project manager...and it happens eventually. Building a football club is a bit different, considerably harder, involves lots of tough choices, is a dynamic ever-changing process and money spent isn't enough. I agree that 20 years ago we were a division below, but we've been back there in that 20 years, as a result of really poor management of the club. If we look back 10 years we finished 10th in the Championship, this year we're 12th. I think we're at a crossroads. The next managerial appointment gives an indication of the path ahead. I fear we're just going around and around in circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notbarrymanc Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, bris red said: As I’ve said on a previous thread - having new shiny infrastructure is all well and good but when you don’t invest in quite possibly the most important role at the football club (the manager) you will never truly progress. Agreed, but there’s a difference in saying that this appointment has been a fk up, and saying Lansdown has done nothing for 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said: You’re right, we haven’t progressed at all! Except for being 1 division up. And being established in the champ. Also the new ground. Plus the academy. And the state of the art training facilities. Oh also the general improvement of Bristol sport. But what has he done for us lately! Lansdown is showing that he's great at building a business, but he lacks understanding of what is needed to build a successful sports team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, mozo said: Lansdown is showing that he's great at building a business, but he lacks understanding of what is needed to build a successful sports team. Mind you the rugby team look like they might be starting to go places... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuedgeRed Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said: That would mean that the ceiling is no more I’m not sure you’ve quite grasped this analogy. Well... there’s a much better pitch. Half grass half artificial. The balls are much better. Oh and players who are an absolute fk load better than 20 years ago But the football is shite!! Dont give a **** about the analogy, what I said is still correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, QuedgeRed said: But the football is shite!! Dont give a **** about the analogy, what I said is still correct. Well no, it isn't. We haven't "gone around in circles" when we are demonstrably better off in several areas, which Notbarrymanc already listed. On the pitch we are not just a division higher, but we are also now established in the higher division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Well no, it isn't. We haven't "gone around in circles" when we are demonstrably better off in several areas, which Notbarrymanc already listed. On the pitch we are not just a division higher, but we are also now established in the higher division. I think it can be argued that we have gone round in circles as far as 'on the pitch' is concerned. We have been a mid-table championship team under Lansdown's ownership before (under Gary Johnson etc). Happy if you don't agree with me though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Well no, it isn't. We haven't "gone around in circles" when we are demonstrably better off in several areas, which Notbarrymanc already listed. On the pitch we are not just a division higher, but we are also now established in the higher division. We'd have thought ourselves established, or at the very least well on the way to being established, 10 years ago. I certainly did! The talk was all of going one step further. What happened next was a bit of a fiasco. I'm not keen to see it repeated. What I mean by going around in circles relates to our performances on the pitch, not the infrastructure built off it. But as it happens I sit in precisely the same red plastic bucket seat in the Dolman as I did a decade ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 48 minutes ago, sludge said: Mind you the rugby team look like they might be starting to go places... Dare I suggest that's because they have a competent management structure who are allowed to get on with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desso Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 21 hours ago, havanatopia said: Gregor alluded to that? How was it worded? Hughton is waiting by the phone..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Well no, it isn't. We haven't "gone around in circles" when we are demonstrably better off in several areas, which Notbarrymanc already listed. On the pitch we are not just a division higher, but we are also now established in the higher division. ‘Established’ can change very quickly. We finished 12th last season, if it wasn’t for the caretakers late couple of wins that could have been 15th-16th possibly. No one should believe we couldn’t be in the bottom third this season. But an experienced manager with know how,can make a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Dare I suggest that's because they have a competent management structure who are allowed to get on with it? Would seem so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, Red Exile said: We'd have thought ourselves established, or at the very least well on the way to being established, 10 years ago. I certainly did! The talk was all of going one step further. What happened next was a bit of a fiasco. I'm not keen to see it repeated. What I mean by going around in circles relates to our performances on the pitch, not the infrastructure built off it. But as it happens I sit in precisely the same red plastic bucket seat in the Dolman as I did a decade ago. Agreed. Ipswich were 'established' in the Championship not so long ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuedgeRed Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Well no, it isn't. We haven't "gone around in circles" when we are demonstrably better off in several areas, which Notbarrymanc already listed. On the pitch we are not just a division higher, but we are also now established in the higher division. Hang on, there’s been a couple of relegations along the way. And I will repeat the football is shite. Large periods of games where we can’t string two passes together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, Red Exile said: We'd have thought ourselves established, or at the very least well on the way to being established, 10 years ago. I certainly did! The talk was all of going one step further. What happened next was a bit of a fiasco. I'm not keen to see it repeated. What I mean by going around in circles relates to our performances on the pitch, not the infrastructure built off it. But as it happens I sit in precisely the same red plastic bucket seat in the Dolman as I did a decade ago. This is it.... people are blurring football success and the way the business is evolving. The whole manager conversation is, by definition, about football success or failure. Oh and I’m with you, as a football supporter, I’ve seen little progress - I too sit in the same Dolman seat.... still watch tier 2 or 3 football and the match day experience feels very similar - other than lately the home performances and form have been as bad as I can recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 On twitter today, Gregor has said that Hughton has always been interested, any holdup is on City’s side. This can only be down to structure or budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: On twitter today, Gregor has said that Hughton has always been interested, any holdup is on City’s side. This can only be down to structure or budget. Maybe the hold up is to make the changes required or make the numbers work to take on Hughton in the capacity he wants? If so, I'm glad it's not a rushed decision. I dont think Gregor knows a lot though so take it with a pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: On twitter today, Gregor has said that Hughton has always been interested, any holdup is on City’s side. This can only be down to structure or budget. Which is positive news in a way, but what we've suspected all along. Hoping they make the ambitious call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Portland Bill Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, MarcusX said: Maybe the hold up is to make the changes required or make the numbers work to take on Hughton in the capacity he wants? If so, I'm glad it's not a rushed decision. I dont think Gregor knows a lot though so take it with a pinch of salt. I think he would report it if SL has a big shit, he feels soooo important atm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, chowie said: I swear to god, if it’s a drone for dean Holden I’ll go even more mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Desperately clutching at straws, but could be a new kit announcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: I sweat to god, if it’s a drone for dean Holden I’ll go even more mental. Maybe it's for Ashley Williams as Assistant to Dean Holden's Assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, Fordy62 said: I sweat to god, if it’s a drone for dean Holden I’ll go even more mental. I wouldn't be surprised. They could also be doing a shoot for the new kit or could even be a new signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, petehinton said: Desperately clutching at straws, but could be a new kit announcement? I'd say that's probably more likely. Surely they'd be self aware enough to realise that a high profile 'reveal' of Dean Holden using the roof would go down like a lead balloon.. Then again, this is City's awful media team so I absolutely wouldn't put it past them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Someone get their drone out and try have a look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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