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5 minutes ago, Chappers said:

Exactly. Just as we don’t know that throwing money we don’t have at a manager will guarantee promotion.

That's football. However, let's say LJ was on £500k and a new experienced guy wants £1m then that leaves us £500k to find. With the average Championship players wage being in excess of £20k per week then we have probably covered the extra over cost by letting Bailey Wright go and not replacing him.

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17 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

In general I think money is a poor motivator of people.

I,m assuming you've never worked in a commission based business, or seen the rise in productivity when a piece rate scheme is introduced.

Given that football is a results based business given the choice :-

a) Take £20k a week with a £100k bonus if promotion is achieved or

b)Take £5k a week (more than PM earns by the way ) and say a £3m bonus if promotion achieved .

 

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1 minute ago, BigTone said:

That's football. However, let's say LJ was on £500k and a new experienced guy wants £1m then that leaves us £500k to find. With the average Championship players wage being in excess of £20k per week then we have probably covered the extra over cost by letting Bailey Wright go and not replacing him.

Only are top top earners will be around the £20k mark. It's not an average wage for City. 

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1 minute ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

I,m assuming you've never worked in a commission based business, or seen the rise in productivity when a piece rate scheme is introduced.

Given that football is a results based business given the choice :-

a) Take £20k a week with a £100k bonus if promotion is achieved or

b)Take £5k a week (more than PM earns by the way ) and say a £3m bonus if promotion achieved .

 

It's a team job. I'd take A all day long. 

There's too many factors to guarentee promotion so no one would take that deal. 

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This might not work in our favour,,,, anyone coming into a championship club in this day and age with no idea of when paying fans will be coming in, is not coming into a normal situation.

we have been well stripped of saleable assets,,, so at the moment the most valuable player is probably elliasson. But its unlikely anyone will be spending 10 million or so on him in the current market, meaning any incomings will most likely be free transfers or cheap incomings... hardly a big carrot to someone like hughton is it?!

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2 minutes ago, Selred said:

Only are top top earners will be around the £20k mark. It's not an average wage for City. 

The highest average in the Championship is £29k by all accounts. However, surely you understand my point. We have players in our squad who have zero chance of making it at the club so they need to be moved on. If we get a lower fee (or anything at all) then that's the way football is going for all clubs. If we can save a wage then that's a big benefit to us. 

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3 minutes ago, Selred said:

It's a team job. I'd take A all day long. 

There's too many factors to guarentee promotion so no one would take that deal. 

Especially given that when you are inevitably fired your severance packet would be based upon fixed salary rather than bonuses not yet achieved.

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9 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

I,m assuming you've never worked in a commission based business, or seen the rise in productivity when a piece rate scheme is introduced.

Given that football is a results based business given the choice :-

a) Take £20k a week with a £100k bonus if promotion is achieved or

b)Take £5k a week (more than PM earns by the way ) and say a £3m bonus if promotion achieved .

 

And when the team is losing in the rain halfway through the season, or walking onto the pitch at Wembley for the playoff final do you want them to be thinking about the size of their bank balance and goal bonuses, or content with their pay and instead thinking about their personal achievements, their teammates, and their collective desire to win?

Why did Beckham or Ronaldo stay that extra hour in the gym - was it to earn more?

We're going to get off topic, but in general money is a poor motivator. There have been many studies and literature which show it I can link if you're interested.

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9 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

This might not work in our favour,,,, anyone coming into a championship club in this day and age with no idea of when paying fans will be coming in, is not coming into a normal situation.

we have been well stripped of saleable assets,,, so at the moment the most valuable player is probably elliasson. But its unlikely anyone will be spending 10 million or so on him in the current market, meaning any incomings will most likely be free transfers or cheap incomings... hardly a big carrot to someone like hughton is it?!

It all depends what other carrots CH has to choose from. People keep banging on about when the Prem sackings begin CH will have loads of options - I really don’t think he will be as big a draw to Premier League clubs as many think.. his record at that level is average to poor at best leaving Chris with quite conceivably only championship offers on the table and more a less the same constraints as he will have here everywhere else. I think the beauty of BCFC is the stability of the ownership and the peace of mind that you WILL be given a fair amount of time in the job unlike at other clubs.

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7 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

This might not work in our favour,,,, anyone coming into a championship club in this day and age with no idea of when paying fans will be coming in, is not coming into a normal situation.

we have been well stripped of saleable assets,,, so at the moment the most valuable player is probably elliasson. But its unlikely anyone will be spending 10 million or so on him in the current market, meaning any incomings will most likely be free transfers or cheap incomings... hardly a big carrot to someone like hughton is it?!

It’s the same scenario for every club though. 
Nobody really knows what sort of money we will have or if FFP is abandoned temporarily.

No one can say definitely that clubs  will be able to welcome back the fans at the start of the new season and if there will be a second wave of Covid-19 which would bugger up any financial projections.

We are lucky to have Uncle Steve’s pocket money giving us a certain stability but we cannot employ anybody without considering the possibility of hugely reduced revenue and that many people in the football world are going to have to rethink their contract demands due to this financial situation.
 

A lot of players and staff are going to be out of work as clubs cut their losses. Only the sensible ones will get new jobs .

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59 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

I genuinely haven’t got a clue who she is!

 

55 minutes ago, phantom said:

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55 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

You would........

............have two from the top and one from the bottom!

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39 minutes ago, BigTone said:

That's football. However, let's say LJ was on £500k and a new experienced guy wants £1m then that leaves us £500k to find. With the average Championship players wage being in excess of £20k per week then we have probably covered the extra over cost by letting Bailey Wright go and not replacing him.

You overlooked the loss of supporter and commercial income, risk of refunding ST payments etc.

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34 minutes ago, BigTone said:

The highest average in the Championship is £29k by all accounts. However, surely you understand my point. We have players in our squad who have zero chance of making it at the club so they need to be moved on. If we get a lower fee (or anything at all) then that's the way football is going for all clubs. If we can save a wage then that's a big benefit to us. 

It’s not only the fee, prudent Clubs will probably be offering lower salaries and quite possibly, short term contracts. Even if not part of the playing squad, there will definitely be an incentive to stay and see out the contract/ wait until normality returns. 

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41 minutes ago, BigTone said:

That's football. However, let's say LJ was on £500k and a new experienced guy wants £1m then that leaves us £500k to find. With the average Championship players wage being in excess of £20k per week then we have probably covered the extra over cost by letting Bailey Wright go and not replacing him.

 

34 minutes ago, BigTone said:

The highest average in the Championship is £29k by all accounts. However, surely you understand my point. We have players in our squad who have zero chance of making it at the club so they need to be moved on. If we get a lower fee (or anything at all) then that's the way football is going for all clubs. If we can save a wage then that's a big benefit to us. 

That’s exactly it Big Tone.

Taylor and Wright is probably best part of £20k per week that we don’t need to carry into next season...a bit more if you add in Maenpaa too.

You could easily add in Smith (with a heavy heart) and Williams and in total you are probably talking £50k per week for those 5 players.  Of course club will potentially have budgeted for not offering any of them a new deal.

Here is what the new manager is “left” with.

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There are some in that list to be ruthless about.

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15 minutes ago, Chappers said:

You overlooked the loss of supporter and commercial income, risk of refunding ST payments etc.

When we are sure that is the case then we can account for it.

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13 minutes ago, Chappers said:

It’s not only the fee, prudent Clubs will probably be offering lower salaries and quite possibly, short term contracts. Even if not part of the playing squad, there will definitely be an incentive to stay and see out the contract/ wait until normality returns. 

Of course but then I'm sure we have a good few players getting towards contract end.

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11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

That’s exactly it Big Tone.

Taylor and Wright is probably best part of £20k per week that we don’t need to carry into next season...a bit more if you add in Maenpaa too.

You could easily add in Smith (with a heavy heart) and Williams and in total you are probably talking £50k per week for those 5 players.  Of course club will potentially have budgeted for not offering any of them a new deal.

Here is what the new manager is “left” with.

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There are some in that list to be ruthless about.

There are probably 10 there who have no chance of progressing. Even if only half of them moved on then that's a good wedge to be used elsewhere.

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10 minutes ago, BigTone said:

There are probably 10 there who have no chance of progressing. Even if only half of them moved on then that's a good wedge to be used elsewhere.

Yep.  Moving players on will be interesting.  Might have to continue contributing to wages in some cases.

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1 hour ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

Or become a tax exile, or sell some valueless shares to himself to cover the amount input?

He's a shrewd man, he knows what he is doing

I don't get what correlation you've made. He's sold valued shares (last time I checked H&L were still trading?) and invested in us multiple times more than fans will have generated.

Whether or not he saves tax offshore what does that have to do with his investment in our club? He could of spent that elsewhere. If you we're responding to a moral question on tax I'd get your response.

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