ExiledAjax Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said: Thanks for posting this. Makes interesting reading. It’s the ones that score at, or close to, a rate of a goal ever other game that really stand out, and history shows they are few and far between. Atyeo, Galley, Thorpe and Taylor. Terrific finishers, all of them. And Goater’s scoring rate, as you say, was also very impressive. Impossible to imagine anyone ever again getting anywhere near Big John’s phenomenal record. Yeh, I'll defend Famara to the hilt as a 1 in 3 striker, but you're quite right it's the guys who hit 1 in 2 that are really fantastic. If Fam stays though he should get to 50 in around 150 appearances, that would put him in roughly the same bracket as guys like Allison, Peacock, Sharpe, Walsh and even Murray. Pretty good company tbh. To get 352 and overtake Atyeo the player would need to probably average 30ish goals for 12 seasons. So that is 30 goals a year from the age of 19 to 31, and without some other club buying him in the meantime. The only way we'll ever get anyone hitting 300+ for this club is if we a) get into the Prem, b) sign a young player or have an exceptional academy striker, c) he manages to score well...but not so well that he gets transferred, and d) he has a sense of loyalty that trumps money. As you say, very unlikely. Mainly because if we had a 19 year old score 30 for us in the Prem we'd be offered £100million for him and off he'd sail into the sun. Ritchie's second place spot could possibly go though. It's also certainly possible we could see a player join our own little 100 club if someone stays with us for a long time and consistently scores in that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Wells for me has to be our main striker up top on his own. That's his best position. I thought Wells + Diedhiou looked decent yesterday. Probably better than Diedhiou + Afobe or Afobe + Wells. Could be rose-tinted glasses due to the win though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Yeh, I'll defend Famara to the hilt as a 1 in 3 striker, but you're quite right it's the guys who hit 1 in 2 that are really fantastic. If Fam stays though he should get to 50 in around 150 appearances, that would put him in roughly the same bracket as guys like Allison, Peacock, Sharpe, Walsh and even Murray. Pretty good company tbh. To get 352 and overtake Atyeo the player would need to probably average 30ish goals for 12 seasons. So that is 30 goals a year from the age of 19 to 31, and without some other club buying him in the meantime. The only way we'll ever get anyone hitting 300+ for this club is if we a) get into the Prem, b) sign a young player or have an exceptional academy striker, c) he manages to score well...but not so well that he gets transferred, and d) he has a sense of loyalty that trumps money. As you say, very unlikely. Mainly because if we had a 19 year old score 30 for us in the Prem we'd be offered £100million for him and off he'd sail into the sun. Ritchie's second place spot could possibly go though. It's also certainly possible we could see a player join our own little 100 club if someone stays with us for a long time and consistently scores in that period. Agree with all that, and just to be clear, as I didn’t mention Fam specifically, I have a lot of respect for the guy, value what he offers the team and would be very disappointed to see him leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 If there was a player position of the year award, Fam would be my striker and defender of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, CliftonCliff said: Agree with all that, and just to be clear, as I didn’t mention Fam specifically, I have a lot of respect for the guy, value what he offers the team and would be very disappointed to see him leave. Something you might find interesting is this list of worldwide top scorers for club football. Not sure it's quite up to date for Messi, but there is Atyeo sat comfortably in 18th position. As you say, a phenomenal record. Team Player No of Goals Bayern Munich Gerd Müller 573 Yeovil Town Johnny Hayward 548 Sporting Club de Portugal Fernando Peyroteo 543 Celtic Jimmy McGrory 522 Barcelona Lionel Messi 499 Galatasaray Metin Oktay 497 Olympiacos Giorgos Sideris 493 Benfica Eusébio 473 Fenerbahçe Zeki Rıza Sporel 470 Wycombe Wanderers Tony Horseman 416 Barnet Arthur Morris 403 Slavia Prague Josef "Pepi" Bican 395 Everton Dixie Dean 383 Rangers Jimmy Smith 381 Athletico Bilbao Telmo Zarra 367 Real Madrid Cristiano Ronaldo 359 FC Porto Fernando Gomes 352 Bristol City John Atyeo 351 Liverpool Ian Rush 346 Middlesbrough George Camsell 345 OGC Nice Joaquín Valle 339 R.S.C. Anderlecht Joseph Mermans 338 Derby County Steve Bloomer 332 West Ham United Vic Watson 326 Wolverhampton Wanderers Steve Bull 306 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 4 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Fam actually has a better career record than Wells. They are close but Fam has scored at a rate of about 0.36 per game over his whole career, Wells is at 0.33. That gives Fam a seasonal average of 16 with Wells on 15. If you look at just league games at Championship and Prem level only then Fam stretches further ahead as Wells drops to 0.29 per game. Wells has 112 goals in 210 games, Fam has 37 in 110. I say including the Prem - Wells has only played 9 games in that league and has 0 Premier League goals. They are both effectively 1 in 3 strikers, but Fam actually slightly edges it. I've gone from not rating him at all to thinking he is one of our most important players. Also I think he is playing better now than even for us before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 4 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Fam actually has a better career record than Wells. They are close but Fam has scored at a rate of about 0.36 per game over his whole career, Wells is at 0.33. That gives Fam a seasonal average of 16 with Wells on 15. If you look at just league games at Championship and Prem level only then Fam stretches further ahead as Wells drops to 0.29 per game. Wells has 112 goals in 210 games, Fam has 37 in 110. I say including the Prem - Wells has only played 9 games in that league and has 0 Premier League goals. They are both effectively 1 in 3 strikers, but Fam actually slightly edges it. Dont see the point in these comparisons. Wells has played at a higher level for a very small fish in that pond so using those stats is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdliketoRogerMoore Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Robbored said: That’s not quite true. Nahki Wells had a couple of decent chances last night. His Championship goal scoring record shows that he knows where the net is. Under LJ it’s been the midfield creativity that’s been missing. Well that’s just you talking nonsense again, our striker with the best goals to game ratio at championship level is not Wells or Afobe but Fammy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, hail gus cesaer said: Well that’s just you talking nonsense again, our striker with the best goals to game ratio at championship level is not Wells or Afobe but Fammy! Ermmm.....you’re kinda missing my point............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Where has this come from anyway? Fam is our best defender (at corners) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 I so hope he stays; he's such an important player for us. If we can get him on another contract, and he gives us another 2-3 years like the last he's going to be up there as one of the all time City greats. But if he does leave, and we can't say a proper thank you, maybe someone at the club could arrange a Facebook tribute page and a Justgiving page for a gift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Never been a fan of Fammy but this season , especially off the bench he has made us better every time . I really hope we hold onto him and I never thought I’d hear myself say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 3 hours ago, JonDolman said: Fam is fantastic at some things but I would sell for a decent price. What we will miss most is his presence in defending corners. We desperately need to bring in 2 or 3 bigger players into our squad. But I am not sure I would bring in any big target men strikers. Wells for me has to be our main striker up top on his own. That's his best position. I’d prefer the new manager to coach a team to defend set pieces without reliance on having to select a Centre Forward specifically for that. We saw in these post-covid matches some really big flaws in our set piece set up, and they’ve been exploited. I really don’t buy LJ’s comment about picking players based on size. It’s lazy. Just coach your players better. Don’t get me wrong a team of Joe Morrell’s would get exploited, but picking someone for an extra inch or two is not really “bright young coach” material unless you are just gonna big full stop. 3 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: I thought Wells + Diedhiou looked decent yesterday. Probably better than Diedhiou + Afobe or Afobe + Wells. Could be rose-tinted glasses due to the win though. I wouldn’t say they played well off of each other, but individually they both did well. Wells certainly looks to want to get in off of Fam, but actually Fam won very little aerial ball in attack last night. I liked that we played a few longer balls (but low ones) into Wells where he’d dropped short. Definitely tried to play better tempo with Benkovic. Still not vintage Wells but better. Fam did a couple of really great controls and spins into the centre of the pitch laying it off. It was the most I’d seen that type of play for a while....and I think it’s because defenders didn’t go quite as tight for fear of Wells running into space behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westex red Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Fammy is a great striker, defender and bloke, runs his heart out for the team, touch is not always there but he creates so many problems for the opposition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 3 hours ago, JonDolman said: If we keep Fam then for me we have to have another big striker as well. If Fam is a vital part of how we play then it means we need a big striker to come in for him when he is injured. I really like Kieffer Moore. He's such a handful. Said I wanted him last summer if LJ wanted a big man. I bet LJ regrets not going for him now. Decent touch and decent mobility for his size. Could even argue we could play both Moore and Fam together. Not sure if that would work but we saw how good Fam with Djuric with him against Birmingham that night we won 3-1. It's not necessarily what I'd want. But it is a plan that could work. And we could still play it out the back before getting it into advanced areas to get it in the box. I just want a clear plan going into next season. Players that fit a system. It's so important to get the right combination of forward players that suit each other and a system. Good plan - almost all sides in championship have a big striker on their squad. Sometimes the game just needs a more physical presence upfront & this is where Fam can on his day have a real impact. I'd try & offer him an extension on improved terms, has to be more cost effective if he's settled - but if there's a big offer abroad then you understand why he'd entertain that. Ideally a new management team that can work out how to get the best out of what we have & strategically add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Constant Rabbit Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Be interesting to see if Fam could play behind Wells and Afobe. Flick on's, draw defenders away, and drop back into midfield if we are overrun until a sub could be made. Afobe Wells Fammy new mid Nagy HNM JD Kalas Baker Moore new keeper/Niki Options to mix and match on bench of Niki,(or new keeper) Walsh, Morrell, Benkovich, Hunt, Vyner + new mid, for starting 11. Plus decisions need to be made on Semenyao, Hinds,Szmodics etc al To leave - either by choice or 'mutual agreement': NE - (i'd suggest he's signed on elsewhere already) Palmer - too much water under the bridge, needs fresh start - Europe? Bentley - sort his head out (new baby can't have helped) - fresh start, our fans have lost confidence which is kiss of death for keeper - will be a star one day Smith and Watkins - still do very well in upper L1 possibly bottom champ sides - solid pro's but club has moved on. Pierra - send back, not seen enough for fee COD,Pato,Weimann - had enough chances, happy to pick up a paycheck for as little effort as poss - move on/terminate contract Williams - retire Rowe - done much more than could have been expected of him - help him find new club where he will play. Lower champ side hopefully. Deserves it. 50/50 wether to keep, but would he even make the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 15 hours ago, cidered abroad said: Why would we assume that he will be leaving. Another thread assumes we will not be signing Afobe. If this us so then we should await arrival of new manager before selling any if the current squad. He deal expires next year. I said in another thread, he is by far the most improved player in our team. Call ups for his country sees the guy ouzing in confidence. In Covid/Post Covid world. It might be better for all concerned that he sign a two year extension. Keeps him here for 3 year's. He gets stability, a club that loves him. We get a mobile forward, who defends like a beast, and knows where the back of the net is. That's good business. 15 hours ago, cidered abroad said: Why would we assume that he will be leaving. Another thread assumes we will not be signing Afobe. If this us so then we should await arrival of new manager before selling any if the current squad. He deal expires next year. I said in another thread, he is by far the most improved player in our team. Call ups for his country sees the guy ouzing in confidence. In Covid/Post Covid world. It might be better for all concerned that he sign a two year extension. Keeps him here for 3 year's. He gets stability, a club that loves him. We get a mobile forward, who defends like a beast, and knows where the back of the net is. That's good business. 15 hours ago, cidered abroad said: Why would we assume that he will be leaving. Another thread assumes we will not be signing Afobe. If this us so then we should await arrival of new manager before selling any if the current squad. He deal expires next year. I said in another thread, he is by far the most improved player in our team. Call ups for his country sees the guy ouzing in confidence. In Covid/Post Covid world. It might be better for all concerned that he sign a two year extension. Keeps him here for 3 year's. He gets stability, a club that loves him. We get a mobile forward, who defends like a beast, and knows where the back of the net is. That's good business. 15 hours ago, cidered abroad said: Why would we assume that he will be leaving. Another thread assumes we will not be signing Afobe. If this us so then we should await arrival of new manager before selling any if the current squad. He deal expires next year. I said in another thread, he is by far the most improved player in our team. Call ups for his country sees the guy ouzing in confidence. In Covid/Post Covid world. It might be better for all concerned that he sign a two year extension. Keeps him here for 3 year's. He gets stability, a club that loves him. We get a mobile forward, who defends like a beast, and knows where the back of the net is. That's good business. 15 hours ago, cidered abroad said: Why would we assume that he will be leaving. Another thread assumes we will not be signing Afobe. If this us so then we should await arrival of new manager before selling any if the current squad. He deal expires next year. I said in another thread, he is by far the most improved player in our team. Call ups for his country sees the guy ouzing in confidence. In Covid/Post Covid world. It might be better for all concerned that he sign a two year extension. Keeps him here for 3 year's. He gets stability, a club that loves him. We get a mobile forward, who defends like a beast, and knows where the back of the net is. That's good business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Robbored said: That’s not quite true. Nahki Wells had a couple of decent chances last night. His Championship goal scoring record shows that he knows where the net is. Under LJ it’s been the midfield creativity that’s been missing. yes thought he done ok aswell . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 I was pro selling him but his display the other night. Yes it was only Hull at home, but he was excellent. Goal- tick Won free kick that led to 2nd- tick. Created several chances with the final pass- 'would be assists' in other words- tick. I wouldn't be averse to keeping him as he has certainly improved in recent months in a number of areas, but OTOH I also recognise he's a saleable asset. Final year of contract also makes it a risk holding on...see also Eliasson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I was pro selling him but his display the other night. Yes it was only Hull at home, but he was excellent. Goal- tick Won free kick that led to 2nd- tick. Created several chances with the final pass- 'would be assists' in other words- tick. I wouldn't be averse to keeping him as he has certainly improved in recent months in a number of areas, but OTOH I also recognise he's a saleable asset. Final year of contract also makes it a risk holding on...see also Eliasson. Honestly I'd sell Eliasson and use the money to give Fam an extra £5k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Liked Famara from day one. He is our best goalscorer last season and this season. He was criticied a time ago, but who can play isolated on top. He wins most of the corners and freekicks in our box, very good defender as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 The closest anybody come to tom ritchies goal scoring record, would be walshie. Him and stuart pearce both got 99. Even he was still 40 odd goals away. Be hard to beat that in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, JonDolman said: One thing I maybe wasn't thinking about when replying to you on Wells and Fam is how bad Weimann was in behind them. I do think Wells is best on his own. But have a better link player in behind them and it may work a lot better. Paterson maybe the best in terms of work rate and ability on the ball and very good end product too. I think that's the only way Fam and Wells could work well. As in the 442 we have seen it really does not work as Wells has to constantly drop off and is doing too much work with his back to goal or wide or deep. Not on the shoulder or in the box. A quality link player like Pato in a 3412 might be the answer in getting Fam and Wells to work. I've always thought that Weimann, whilst there's a good player in there, just seems to work on a different plan to everyone else. He can't link up with anyone, it's like his mind works differently to anyone else. Up,to a point that's been a problem throughout the team recently, but never more obvious, or more consistently an issue, than with AW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 15 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: Where has this come from anyway? Fam is our best defender (at corners) He isn't 1v1. He occupies a zone. City use mixes of man for man marking and zonal marking and blockers. Famara is an obvious (tall) choice for zonal marking. He is with respect no man for man marker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 22 hours ago, Johnny Musicworks said: Assuming he leaves at the end of the season we will not be able to give a fitting send off to Fam. Last night he showed once again just how important a player he has become. A well taken goal and one of the few players who seemed to understand how to keep possession and do the defensive job at set pieces. He constantly hustled across the pitch and as time was running down did the basics right rather than trying to be fancy and risk giving the ball away. Along with many others I have criticised him for his finishing over his time with us but he must be a managers dream. Always battling always running and a more than respectable goals tally. Our fans get excited about Adobe and Wells and few can honestly say that he wouldn’t be third choice behind those two but in reality he has been our biggest threat for some time. We are going to miss you Fam and your smile, a true Knowle legend ! Who said Fam is leaving ? Why the assumptions ??. I love watching Fam play and plays 100% to his ability at all times. He would be a great loss if he did leave but wondering why the assumptions are out there that he’s going to leave. “We are going to miss you Fam and your smile “ where did this crap come from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, JonDolman said: One thing I maybe wasn't thinking about when replying to you on Wells and Fam is how bad Weimann was in behind them. I do think Wells is best on his own. But have a better link player in behind them and it may work a lot better. Paterson maybe the best in terms of work rate and ability on the ball and very good end product too. I think that's the only way Fam and Wells could work well. As in the 442 we have seen it really does not work as Wells has to constantly drop off and is doing too much work with his back to goal or wide or deep. Not on the shoulder or in the box. A quality link player like Pato in a 3412 might be the answer in getting Fam and Wells to work. 442 for me. Only 3 at the back leaves us open. We are not strong at right or left back and I’m sure one of the ones with states could prove this. Most other teams take us apart in these areas as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 18 hours ago, Wade Wilson said: Fam now has 40 goals for us which makes him our third highest all time goal scorer. He only needs 10 more and he’ll overtake Scotty Murray as our record goalscorer. Legend in the making. This has me stumped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNachos Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 It all depends on who gets the manager role. Fam fits into Johsnon's system, it is designed for him and he peforms well in it. He can barely function in a tiki taka system or high pressing or whatever. If we had Pep. Fam would have been out the door after 1 session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, 054123 said: This has me stumped Go back up the thread, Transfermarkt did me a bamboozle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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