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3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

If we hadn't lost to Cardiff he'd still be here. At least that's what it sounded like to me. 

Lansdown made it clear the expectation was play offs, beating Cardiff would have seen us what, 3 points behind them? And therefore still in with a shout of the play offs. Steve said once the play offs became very unlikely they decided to act, so if Johnson hadn't been sacked then he probably would have gone at the end of the season if we didn't make it.

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I’ve just listened and have to say, I’m pretty positive about the comments. 
The proof will be in the pudding but to focus so much on getting to the Prem and then not appoint someone with experience of doing that or at the very least of getting teams promoted would make SL look stupid. 
I’d hope for Hughton and hope the hierarchy look to utilise his experience and blend that experience with the existing model. 

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I think we are so used to being underwhelmed that we expect it.

For me, the timing of LJs departure seems rather deliberate and different to the long drawn out good byes we've had before.

I'd like to think we might be pleasantly surprised.

Then again, I was one of the optimists with LJ :D

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55 minutes ago, RedM said:

Was it last time or the time before when we were looking for a Manager we were told that we would be ‘surprised’ by who had applied* Now we have ‘good’ applicants.

*It can’t have been last time as I don’t think there was any surprise when Lee was appointed. Must have been when we got Cotts.

Pretty sure it was the period after Cotts went, when The Mark Ashton Waffle Maker* was in full flow, and he was babbling on about people looking over fences or some such BS.

 

*copyright The Bountyhunter.

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30 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Absolutely. As always, there are those on here who are being unnecessarily anxious. It obviously gives them some reason to type something, whether its based on what has actually been said, or what's in their head!

Years and years of supporting City is enough to make anyone anxious,wether unnecessary or not RRH

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On a positive note, at least SL said the aim was to give LJ’s replacement as long as possible to work with the players before the new season.

That would rule our Gregor’s comment about the appointment probably being announced “late summer”.

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15 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Lansdown made it clear the expectation was play offs, beating Cardiff would have seen us what, 3 points behind them? And therefore still in with a shout of the play offs. Steve said once the play offs became very unlikely they decided to act, so if Johnson hadn't been sacked then he probably would have gone at the end of the season if we didn't make it.

That defeat also meant we could no longer better last seasons points tally which could have triggered a performance clause in LJs contract.

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26 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

"We've got a lot of good applicant's"

We've heard it before & and we got;

                         Lee.

Let's wait n' see,,,though if it's another 'yes' man & the manager/coach himself that's the project (look at his potential),,,then it's not only Johnson that's out as I'll be joining him.

I'm hoping the penny's finally dropped for Lansdown though I'll not hold me breath.

And was that a bad apppointment? Do we have that much of a short memory to forget that we were battling relegation when he came in?

Poor season this season but a very strong appointment on the whole I would say.

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38 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

"build on what Lee's done and get us to the PL"

That doesn't scream "will appoint someone from L1/L2" to me, but I could be wrong.

You could look at that another way mate and see it as SL saying we want someone who is a teeny, weeny bit better than Lee who will do what he did only a bit better.

Whereas as far as I can see it, the only way we will get Premiership football is appointing someone who is allowed to do things his way, including shaking the whole controlling Ashton Gate scene from top to bottom.

That for me is an experienced, successful foreign coach with his own specialist team. SL did this with the rugby.

PS. All this shortlisting malarkey (Jon and Mark drawing it up, bless them) is old-fashioned and divisive. What a proper football Club does is to decide who they want and keep going until they get him.

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46 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Must admit I didn't take that from the interview at all. Which bits made you think that?

SL is very clear in the aim of Premier League football asap (I'm actually surprised about how explicit he is being about that) and appointing an inexperienced candidate is going to leave himself open to considerable criticism if it goes wrong. 

The “particular type of person & building on the work that LJ did” bit.

Really hope to be proved wrong but I expect another appointment from the lower leagues.

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To me it sounded like we've had a lot of good applicants, but I'm playing my cards close to my chest so that I'm not bigging applicants up and making their demands bigger.

Everyone on a level playing field, these are the terms we're willing to offer, within reason come back with a realistic counter by all means, but be aware there are a lot of good applicants who we are talking to. If you don't accept, someone else will.

Guarded comments, but also making it clear that promotion to the Prem is the next step. If that is the way you go, then you don't take someone from League 1/2 and expect them to become the next Eddie Howe.

Mark Ashton mentioned about international applicants as well, so I doubt we're talking about the manager of a third division Ukrainian team! 

The club will look very silly if they go for a cheap/lower league appointment, whilst expecting promotion to the top league. It wasn't done with the Rugby club, so you have to presume that the same stance is going to be taken here as well. 

That's not to say that it's going to be Hughton, McCarthy or even Poch (there we go I haven't seen him mentioned yet), but I'm pretty sure there will be a bigger name come in.

On the other hand, I can see why people are being pessimistic and not expecting much - by and large it's what we do!! The timing of this just seems to point towards a big appointment.

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25 minutes ago, grifty said:

Just a question, but would you stop following the club straight after the appointment of what you believe is a "yes" man, or would you give them a run of games to see how they perform?

Well Gritty,,, I'd be observing & covering my arcs from a very safe distance....

 

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1 minute ago, southvillekiddy said:

You could look at that another way mate and see it as SL saying we want someone who is a teeny, weeny bit better than Lee who will do what he did only a bit better.

Whereas as far as I can see it, the only way we will get Premiership football is appointing someone who is allowed to do things his way, including shaking the whole controlling Ashton Gate scene from top to bottom.

That for me is an experienced, successful foreign coach with his own specialist team. SL did this with the rugby.

PS. All this shortlisting malarkey (Jon and Mark drawing it up, bless them) is old-fashioned and divisive. What a proper football Club does is to decide who they want and keep going until they get him.

I’d rather they appoint someone who is interested enough to apply, rather than someone they’ve had to pay a lot to even show an interest

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20 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

I bet if you took the group that used to say "LJ will never be sacked" and the group saying "SL will definitely appoint someone from L1/L2/internal" they'd be composed of largely the same people.

For what it's worth I think that's a fair observation...I certainly feared that SL would stick with Lee Johnson despite evidence that he should go, I believe he stuck with him too long. And I fear that SL will appoint another 'up and coming' manager whose success - if it comes - he can present as part of the Lansdown 'project'. The story of a manager who's been there and done it and then achieves promotion leaves far less space for the genius of the the owner who gave them the job in the first place. Personally I hope we get someone with experience. We'll all give Steve credit for appointing someone who can deliver promotion. We've been waiting 40 years.

Now, having said that, I recognise that that is me being paranoid. I've met Steve Lansdown several times, and like him, but he appears to have all the self-doubt that you'd expect of a self-made billionaire (i.e. not much!) and you can't blame him for wanting to claim a big part of any of the success that he bankrolls.

I felt the interview gave little away.

 

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To strike a positive note, if you look at the rugby, Pat Lam was brought in as one of the best coaches in the world, and who had achieved success with a previously very unfashionable province, to make Bristol a dominant force in not just English rugby but also European rugby. No one would suggest that he is a pushover!

SL clearly set LJ a target and the target was missed, so he has to go. Given the current financial state of football, getting to the Premier League ASAP is the only way that playing at this level makes sense, because of all the English leagues, the Championship is the one that really does not stack up in terms of money and the risk of spending a large amount with only minimal returns won’t sit happily with a money man like SL. Even his pockets are only so deep!

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Is it inconceivable to people that we could appoint a manager of pedigree that fits within the structure of our football club?

There is nothing wrong with our structure at all, it had served us perfectly well during the past 5 years. 

It's like people think the two things are mutually exclusive, despite many top clubs operating in this way. I can't understand the logic behind thinking that in order to get a top manager we have to restructure completely. It seems a very old school train of though akin to that of Fergie or Redknapp etc, which doesn't really exist anymore.

 

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53 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

I think it was very clear.

He stated he wants someone to get us into the prem and continue with the good work in the academy/pathway. If you need more clues than that, you have my sympathy!!

Agreed & to be fair he did say:

 "The aim is to get us into the Premier League as soon as we can."

So I feel that if he was prepared to wait he would have stuck with LJ or will get someone of the same calibre but that contradicts the "EPL as soon as we can" part of his statement.

However I do understand the concern because it gives no clues as to who will do it.

We can only hope🤞.

 

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I’m thinking less likely we will go lower leagues, young up and coming Manager. We have tried that and it didn’t work as well as SL had hoped. He won’t want to wait another four years whilst the person cuts his teeth. He will want improvement now. The off field facilities are in place pretty much. The new person will be expected to hit the ground running.

Therefore I am thinking he will appoint someone with at least Championship experience, someone respected and who would represent us well. We want to be taken seriously and be attractive. But whoever it is will have to produce results and improvement almost from day one. I think we will have to pay a premium for quality, but with that comes expectation. This will certainly be cranked up a notch or two in my opinion. 

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21 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Chris Hughton, as an example, does not strike me as somebody who is confrontational, but nor does he strike me as somebody who is controllable.

There is a happy medium and if we can't accommodate somebody like Hughton then, of course, you would seriously have to question why.

I can’t agree with this enough KITR.

Hughton has declared an interest. He is a standout candidate and if he doesn’t arrive in BS3 it can only be one of two reasons a) we couldn’t afford him (highly unlikely) b) our organisational structure would stop him doing his job effectively.

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43 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

I’d rather they appoint someone who is interested enough to apply, rather than someone they’ve had to pay a lot to even show an interest

It's precisely what the Club has to do to make the massive change that is necessary. In business it's called head-hunting. You see who is the best and then sell the whole potential of Bristol City FC to them. This is what SL should do for our Club.

This is the baffling thing to me. Again I say SL didn't make his billions by drawing up a short-list (how wet) of mediocre, uninspiring candidates for a top position at Hargreaves Lansdown. Of course that level of applicant would love to manage at Bristol City.

You have to ask : Have SLs managerial appointments (and let's not kid ourselves who does the choosing) shown serious ambition for our Club? He should be relishing the chance to get the very best and throw away the nepotistic history of hiring underqualified yes-men

(Please everybody don't mention Coppell, we all knew that was dodgy right from the start with Coppell's first interview)

He has to be bold, let go of his controlling ways and follow the example of top Premiership Clubs in their ambitious appointments

(Please everybody don't say "we're not Liverpool or Man City" , for unless we have a  serious change of attitude we will never make it to the Premiership - at least not under SL)

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48 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Just as appointing Hughton etc wouldn't necessarily be the "right" appointment, as nothing guarantees you success - there's no "wrong" appointment, until the new manager has had time to prove themselves as the right or wrong man for the job. 

People need to get behind whoever it is and judge him on how he does here, with us - and only that..! 

Problem for me is that I feel people will project their assumptions on whoever gets appointed. If the club spoke to Hughton or McCarthy and (hypothetically of course) didn't get the right sense from them in terms of where their heads are, their approach to the role or they had massively contrasting visions to what the club is working towards, I'd far rather we didn't appoint them rather than make an appointment that could not work. And if the club spoke to someone like Mark Robins or Lee Bowyer or Paul Cook and they were interested, could talk through exactly what they would do and were clearly hungry for the job and determined to make it work I'd hope we took it seriously.

But I feel people will see anyone who is not Hughton as a lack of ambition from the club irrespective of what the reasons actually are. To be clear, I definitely think we should be speaking to Hughton. But, as fans who aren't going to be privy to the conversation, none of us can say with any certainty that he would be the right candidate and I feel some posters have already made their minds up how they will view any other appointment, regardless of those reasons behind the scenes. 

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Said all along that whenever LJ departed that the next man in will be expected to operate within the same "sustainable approach". This will exclude by default a lot of the traditional managers. There is nothing wrong with this approach however and it can lead to PL football assuming the next man through the door is good enough at his job. I think if we ever get to the promised land and open up the parachute payment option then this approach may be disregarded to an extent but until then this is what we will be watching.

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My main concern about an appointment like CH would be that we seem to be looking for a very energetic head coach and that many of the old fashioned management functions would be undertaken by MA.  Lee put an incredible amount of energy and hard work into his role and I would question whether a 61 year old would have that same energy and passion - especially that age signifies physical decline.  The decision would have to be based upon whether or not experience could make up for the deficit in work rate.  Appointing a 61 year old to oversee the career development of many young players is usually seen as a job for a younger person.

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I'm not quite sure why there's so much negativity...fans were calling for the change to be made and the board have acted decisively and done it. 

SL has been absolutely clear the next head coach will be appointed with the aim of getting us to the PL. For me that rules out most, if not all the candidates from L1/2, regardless of how 'up and coming' they may appear. Those appointments have been made in the past and got us to where we are. We now need to make the next step and he (and Mark Ashton) have made it clear we will do this properly. Yes, I'm excited at the idea of Chris Hughton (or similar), but I would still expect the board to do the job of recruiting thoroughly and diligently not just jumping at the first big name out there. I suspect there could be some very interesting candidates from outside the UK too which should be considered.

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30 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said:

PS. All this shortlisting malarkey (Jon and Mark drawing it up, bless them) is old-fashioned and divisive. What a proper football Club does is to decide who they want and keep going until they get him.

Maybe that's what they'll do once they've drawn up the list. Maybe mid table championship BCFC with no history to speak of aren't quite in the position of 'proper football club' category to call the shots like that..........................yet!

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