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Steven Gerrard


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17 minutes ago, chowie said:

Yeah, can see this type of conversation between Bristol City manager Gerrard and Liverpool FC

SG: Look, I'm now the highest paid manager in the Champ and for my future management career I simply have to get BC promoted.

Liverpool: Who you want Stevie. 

Bielsa is technically still a championship manager atm..... rumoured to be on £65,000 a week

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1 hour ago, extonsred said:

Can anyone really identify what Gérard would bring to the club - - other than the glitz - has he proved himself in the management game? 

Listening to the Peter Crouch podcast, there was a bit talking about his first day of training at Liverpool, where his touch let him down. Immediately Gerrard was on to him, essentially pressing the fact that every minute of every training session needed to be 100%. I also read that he’s a consummate professional in all aspects of his work. As I try and convince myself, I’d say his plus points are:

- professionalism in himself and those around him, which will spread onto his players and staff. People like CoD will be given short reign if they do not transfer their training form onto match days. People who don’t perform in training will just be fked off

- man management, something we’ve lacked for a long time, and that no other candidate can match  

- wants to promote youth, as an ethos, again the stand out candidate on this front

- will get the absolute best out of the kids in our midfield (Walsh, Morrell, Massengo, Nagy)

- marketability for additional £££ and branding, ultimately resulting in more money to be reinvested into the club and players

 

However, he lacks in tactical nous, and potentially from knowledge of the championship having never worked here.
He also comes as a short to mid term option, he will not still be here in 3 years time, whether that be due to poaching or sacking. 

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10 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

We don't even spend millions on signing good players, we just sign loads of mediocre players and longer term PUNTS that are literally yet to bear any fruit. The only transfer activity we have made significant money on are Academy players and Adam Webster. Not one punt has done anything meaningful that I can think of. Much of Lee Johnson's transfer activity was grossly incompetent 

Josh Brownhill? Cost £200k in compensation to PNE, then sold for £9m?

LJ made plenty of mistakes, but just like his positional switch of Reid which netted us £10m for someone we would have gladly released a couple of years before, Brownhill was all down to him.

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Just totting up the various threads regarding SG, CH, Cowleys, Cook, other general debating threads regarding who the new manager might be, I have tallied over 150 pages of pure speculation.

That's almost 4,500 posts of fluff and guff.... and I LOVE IT!

This is what OTIB lives for! It's an escape from the mundane. 

Keep it coming you beautiful people!

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

No definitely not. Some Rangers fans even want him gone.

Seems like he's done okay. Improved a team with bigger budget than previous manager. 

Ended up 2nd with the 2nd highest budget in the SPL.

Not won a cup yet. Went on terrible run after winter break.

Budget was increased but so was income.  Made a smaller loss under Gerrard, generates more money from transfer fees that previous manager whilst keeping to amortisation constant, no mean feat....ours is growing exponentially at the mo’.

Looks like budget directly proportionate to getting through the Europa cup qualifying rounds (both seasons) as income increased, but so are policing costs (staggeringly high).  Look at their previous recent attempts (of course some years they weren’t in Scottish Prem).

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Don't get me wrong, he’s been well backed, but from looking at the accounts he’s used that backing more efficiently than the previous manager.  But too many basing their view on finishing second in a league where they are playing a huge game of catch up to Celtic.

From a Europa Cup point of view he’s been a success....and he’s earned Rangers £14.3m extra in 18/19 just by getting to the Group Stages.  I don’t think that should be readily dismissed.  He’s done that twice in two years.  This season he got them out of the group, beat Braga in the last 32...and into the last 16 where they look likely to go out to Leverkusen.  Will be more than £14.3m this year.

Most of us are sat here not being close enough to how he’s done really.  A bit of digging finds out lots of stuff.

If he leaves, he’ll be leaving them in a much better state than they were in when he joined.  That deserves some credit.

 

 

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Just now, GrahamC said:

Josh Brownhill? Cost £200k in compensation to PNE, then sold for £9m?

LJ made plenty of mistakes, but just like his positional switch of Reid which netted us £10m for someone we would have gladly released a couple of years before, Brownhill was all down to him.

Great signing but definitely NOT a punt as Brownhill had Championship experience prior to coming to us. When you look at the amount of money we have spent on lower league or Premier League Academy punts including wages we could have brought in significantly more quality and maybe achieved the aims of the owner...........rather than having a squad of 40+ with nineteen (yes 19) midfield and wide players in it and the likes of Rene Gilmartin who is just a complete and utter waste of a wage, however modest, for a club our size but with our ambitions.

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Rangers are currently the second biggest club in Scotland and in terms of resources, they are miles ahead of most of the others in that division. Gerrard finished the 18-19 season 9 points behind Celtic and at the time the Scottish Premiership was finished in March he was 13 points behind Celtic with a game in hand. Not exactly an improvement on his first season.

If he came to us he would have less resources than a number of our rivals, especially those with Prem parachute payments and he would be in a much stronger league.

I don't see what he would bring to us other than his name.

For me, it's just far too much of a risk.

 

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Someone said that £3.5m also includes paying staff too.  I don’t know, just adding for context.

This was a line from the article I was taking from 

Moreover, Bielsa’s support staff are also quids in, with their combined deals costing Leeds a further £50,000-a-week, adding up to £115,000-a-week, or £6million-a-year.

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54 minutes ago, phantom said:

Well the club have put their choice "out there now" - Gerrard first choice - Hughton second

Remembering that we are a business to make money now.

Think of how many extra people will come to games because of his appointment

Think of how much merchandise the club will shift with his name / image

There's the extra money covered in no time

If we had 10,000 unsold tickets each match, this might have more effect.  The fact is that we have very few extra tickets to shift in recent seasons.  

Exposure and merchandise could have an impact, but unlikely to the tune of £40k per week.

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8 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Great signing but definitely NOT a punt as Brownhill had Championship experience prior to coming to us. When you look at the amount of money we have spent on lower league or Premier League Academy punts including wages we could have brought in significantly more quality and maybe achieved the aims of the owner...........rather than having a squad of 40+ with nineteen (yes 19) midfield and wide players in it and the likes of Rene Gilmartin who is just a complete and utter waste of a wage, however modest, for a club our size but with our ambitions.

That’s some pretty selective rewriting of history on Brownhill. He’d played 3 games in the championship before we signed him 

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1 hour ago, chowie said:

Sources: Billionaire launches extraordinary offer to lure Rangers top earner from Ibrox

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21st July 2020 at 7:00am

Bristol City will make one final push to lure Steven Gerrard from Rangers by offering him a deal that would make him the highest-paid manager in the Championship next season, Football Insider understands.

Billionaire owner Steve Lansdown has not given up hope of trying to entice the 40-year-old from Ibrox ahead of the new Scottish campaign starting on 1 August.

A City source has told Football Insider the club are launching an extraordinary offer to Gerrard that would top his £2.5million-a-year Rangers package.

The Liverpool legend signed a new Rangers deal last December that runs until the summer of 2024.

That is equivalent to £50,000-a-week and higher than any Ibrox player under his command.

City are aware they face a huge battle to entice Gerrard as he is firmly fixed on his third season in Glasgow and stopping Celtic marching to 10-in-a-row.

The ambitious Championship club have not given up hope but will look elsewhere if they cannot persuade the Rangers manager by the end of this week.

As revealed by Football Insider, Gerrard has also been approached by Birmingham this summer but he knocked back the Championship outfit.

The highest paid manager currently in the Championship is Leeds boss Marcelo Bielsa, who earns around £60,000-a-week.

 

In terms of wages, compensation and any future termination, it sounds like there's way too much money involved for this to be feasible.

There's also the suggestion that he doesn't want to be here.

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There's a lot of doubt about Gerrard's suitability for the role, but bloody hell what an incredible experience it would be to have an English football legend like him leading us to the Premier League. I would love it!

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52 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

We don't even spend millions on signing good players, we just sign loads of mediocre players and longer term PUNTS that are literally yet to bear any fruit. The only transfer activity we have made significant money on are Academy players and Adam Webster. Not one punt has done anything meaningful that I can think of. Much of Lee Johnson's transfer activity was grossly incompetent in my view when considering we are a medium sized club at this level aiming to reach the play offs and yet it was sanctioned by both CEO (or whatever Ashton is titled) and Owner. Yet again clubs like Brentford, Millwall and Preston North End will out perform us on two thirds of the crowds we get because they are managed better than we are.

 

38 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Josh Brownhill? Cost £200k in compensation to PNE, then sold for £9m?

LJ made of mistakes, but just like his positional switch of Reid which netted us £10m for someone we would have gladly released a couple of years before, Brownhill was all down to him.

 

47 minutes ago, mozo said:

Kalas? Wells? DaSilva? Palmer? 

Nagy is a Hungary international, and Massengo was regarded as a top young French talent and many pundits ( and City fans) were amazed that we managed to sign him.

The problem with these, and a number of other  players is that over the last 12 months particularly, they have lost their way due to LJ's increasingly frustrating selections, formation changes and tactics.

Hopefully the new manager, whoever it is, will be able to get them playing to their potential. I think the midfield needs a bit of sorting, but other than that  this is one of the strongest squads we've had for years - if we play to their strengths.

 


 

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20 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

Negative points;  Phil Collins fan

 

Being a Phil Collins fan is a huge minus for me. But, to counter that, he doesn't seem to be a racist, so a better shout than John Terry.

Personally, not sold on Gerrard being what we need (that said, I am an awful judge of both players and managers). But I'd give him the benefit of the doubt to show what he actually might be capable of.

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10 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

That’s some pretty selective rewriting of history on Brownhill. He’d played 3 games in the championship before we signed him 

Selective rewriting of history? Are you taking this a bit too seriously? I stand by what I said - Josh Brownhill was a great signing but not a punt.

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40 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

The only transfer activity we have made significant money on are Academy players and Adam Webster. Not one punt has done anything meaningful that I can think of.

As brownhill has already been mentioned I'd find to hard to argue that we would not make a significant profit on Dasilva if he were to be sold. Eliasson would be another in the same boat. Walsh likely to have increased in value a substantial amount too. 

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23 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

This was a line from the article I was taking from 

Moreover, Bielsa’s support staff are also quids in, with their combined deals costing Leeds a further £50,000-a-week, adding up to £115,000-a-week, or £6million-a-year.

Ta for the correction 👍🏻

22 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

If we had 10,000 unsold tickets each match, this might have more effect.  The fact is that we have very few extra tickets to shift in recent seasons.  

Exposure and merchandise could have an impact, but unlikely to the tune of £40k per week.

Merchandise probably not much, margins tend to be small.  But Commercial Revenues, most definitely. That’s where the big £s come from.  I don’t how much we could generate but although @Harrygave us the sky tv match amounts, it’s the advertising the club can spin off the back of it.

8 minutes ago, CheddarReds said:

Can't see us paying 50k a week for Gerrard to come here. Rubbish I think.

I agree, but if it was made up of Half Wages / Half Bonus....it looks distinctly viable.

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