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1 minute ago, ChubStixx said:

I would guess he's on half that. Maybe £20 - 25k p/w, plus bonuses.

But can you see us stumping up compensation? How much would Rangers want?

Maybe through the agent links, we’ve found out about some kind of release clause? It would help make the finances stack up?

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Just now, ChubStixx said:

I would guess he's on half that. Maybe £20 - 25k p/w, plus bonuses.

But can you see us stumping up compensation? How much would Rangers want?

Also is he that worried about about a potential 20 - 25 k payrise? He is a millionaire many times over from his playing days where he would have been on £150 - 200k for the best part of 10 years so the difference in pay as a manager between us and Rangers is not really as lucrative as it would be to a young up and coming manager, I would think his motivation would be "the project"  and the resources we are willing to commit to allow him to achieve a promotion.

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3 minutes ago, ChubStixx said:

I would guess he's on half that. Maybe £20 - 25k p/w, plus bonuses.

But can you see us stumping up compensation? How much would Rangers want?

If it's true that we are after Gerrard, surely we would have taken into account the amount of compensation due to Rangers before starting the chase. Would be madness to get this far without already factoring that in? 

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2 minutes ago, sludge said:

If it's true that we are after Gerrard, surely we would have taken into account the amount of compensation due to Rangers before starting the chase. Would be madness to get this far without already factoring that in? 

SL is an astute business man. This will have been factored in 100%

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6 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said:

Also is he that worried about about a potential 20 - 25 k payrise? He is a millionaire many times over from his playing days where he would have been on £150 - 200k for the best part of 10 years so the difference in pay as a manager between us and Rangers is not really as lucrative as it would be to a young up and coming manager, I would think his motivation would be "the project"  and the resources we are willing to commit to allow him to achieve a promotion.

This!! And a stepping stone to Liverpool. Way I see it long term that’s the job he wants. That’s 3/4 maybe even 5 years away. What would Look better on his CV 4 years of chasing Celtic and the odd europa league run or taking us up and hopefully establishing us as a premier league team.

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39 minutes ago, Rob k said:

He won’t be cheap Har, if he’s the man they definitely want i think he will cost big money 

Absolutely mate. I said back on about page 4 that this ain’t a cheap option. 
But journo’s have thrown around a £50k per week salary with no evidence. 
I’m led to believe he’s closer to £1m per year with up to £2.5m as incentives (win cup, euro progression etc). 
 

So the journo’s who are now throwing around “City to pay more than Rangers” are basing this on a £50k pw wage, not the £20k pw which is closer to his actual basic. 
 

For context, Hughton, I’d heard, was looking for £1.2m (£23k pw). I’d guess SL would be willing to pay a bit more for a younger man more ‘suited’ to his project, but there’s absolutely no way in the world he’s offering £50k basic. 
It’s lazy journo’s making a salary comparison out of other lazy journo’s who’d previously reported his rangers wage. 

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5 minutes ago, Harry said:

Absolutely mate. I said back on about page 4 that this ain’t a cheap option. 
But journo’s have thrown around a £50k per week salary with no evidence. 
I’m led to believe he’s closer to £1m per year with up to £2.5m as incentives (win cup, euro progression etc). 
 

So the journo’s who are now throwing around “City to pay more than Rangers” are basing this on a £50k pw wage, not the £20k pw which is closer to his actual basic. 
 

For context, Hughton, I’d heard, was looking for £1.2m (£23k pw). I’d guess SL would be willing to pay a bit more for a younger man more ‘suited’ to his project, but there’s absolutely no way in the world he’s offering £50k basic. 
It’s lazy journo’s making a salary comparison out of other lazy journo’s who’d previously reported his rangers wage. 

For the right person the money won’t be an issue.

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28 minutes ago, Taunton_BCFC said:

This!! And a stepping stone to Liverpool. Way I see it long term that’s the job he wants. That’s 3/4 maybe even 5 years away. What would Look better on his CV 4 years of chasing Celtic and the odd europa league run or taking us up and hopefully establishing us as a premier league team.

I think it’s nailed on that Gerrard will be the next Liverpool manager in around four years if he can prove himself somewhere else in the meantime ...

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15 minutes ago, Harry said:

Absolutely mate. I said back on about page 4 that this ain’t a cheap option. 
But journo’s have thrown around a £50k per week salary with no evidence. 
I’m led to believe he’s closer to £1m per year with up to £2.5m as incentives (win cup, euro progression etc). 
 

So the journo’s who are now throwing around “City to pay more than Rangers” are basing this on a £50k pw wage, not the £20k pw which is closer to his actual basic. 
 

For context, Hughton, I’d heard, was looking for £1.2m (£23k pw). I’d guess SL would be willing to pay a bit more for a younger man more ‘suited’ to his project, but there’s absolutely no way in the world he’s offering £50k basic. 
It’s lazy journo’s making a salary comparison out of other lazy journo’s who’d previously reported his rangers wage. 

And lazy people on here believing it without question.

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43 minutes ago, SBB said:

Maybe through the agent links, we’ve found out about some kind of release clause? It would help make the finances stack up?

Possibly kicks in at the end of this season for a set time, which for them is after they’re knocked out of Europe. COYR 

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16 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I think it’s nailed on that Gerrard will be the next Liverpool manager in around four years if he can prove himself somewhere else in the meantime ...

And here’s a thought - which I have no doubt also entered Gerrards mind.

Around 30 years ago, a legendary ex Liverpool midfielder took over the club when they were undoubtedly one of the best sides in the top flight, and had won the title as recently as the prior season. That ex midfielder had proven his worth at Rangers with multiple trophy wins.

It was a disaster. And ended by us.

The parallels between Gerrard and Souness are there currently. Gerrard knows this. He knows Liverpool’s history. And that’s why being with Rangers alone will be reason not to appoint him at Liverpool.  The last manager to do it knew Liverpool and had won big at Rangers - Gerrard can’t do the latter to the same extent with Celtics strength.

He needs another job before Klopp goes (slated as 2024 per contract IIRC). So he will move - either this summer or next - to try and facilitate his endgame.

His only question is whether there will be a better bet than us in 12 months time. I can though, the more I think about it and his ultimate aim, see why he’s not blown us out.

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18 minutes ago, Busterrimes said:

Think Gerrard will stay Rangers as he wants to make history there. The manager who failed to stop Celtic getting 10 11 12 13 in a row 🤣🤣

 

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The more I weigh this up the more crazy this sounds.

For me go and get Hughton, he won't cost as much in wages and compensation, he has the experience of getting teams up and keeping them there, Gerrard has achieved nothing yet as a manager.

Hughton seemingly wants the job and will progress this team.  Gerrard does bring razzmatazz but also media focus, good and bad, if he has any success here he will be off in a flash.

Gerrard is a far riskier choice with less benefits.

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57 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I think it’s nailed on that Gerrard will be the next Liverpool manager in around four years if he can prove himself somewhere else in the meantime ...

I know Klopp's contract runs til 2024 but I think if he wins another Premier League or Champions League before then he may walk and take the sabbatical he wanted before taking the Liverpool job. He's already won the 2 biggest prizes for Liverpool, backing them up just cements his legacy. Could easily see Lijnders take over after him trying to keep the same style about the club. 

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56 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

And here’s a thought - which I have no doubt also entered Gerrards mind.

Around 30 years ago, a legendary ex Liverpool midfielder took over the club when they were undoubtedly one of the best sides in the top flight, and had won the title as recently as the prior season. That ex midfielder had proven his worth at Rangers with multiple trophy wins.

It was a disaster. And ended by us.

The parallels between Gerrard and Souness are there currently. Gerrard knows this. He knows Liverpool’s history. And that’s why being with Rangers alone will be reason not to appoint him at Liverpool.  The last manager to do it knew Liverpool and had won big at Rangers - Gerrard can’t do the latter to the same extent with Celtics strength.

He needs another job before Klopp goes (slated as 2024 per contract IIRC). So he will move - either this summer or next - to try and facilitate his endgame.

His only question is whether there will be a better bet than us in 12 months time. I can though, the more I think about it and his ultimate aim, see why he’s not blown us out.

Clubs who just appoint former greats as manager, as in greats who played for them...deserve all they get, which is usually not glorious success.

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I think it’s nailed on that Gerrard will be the next Liverpool manager in around four years if he can prove himself somewhere else in the meantime ...

That would be an emotional decision. How do you define "prove himself?"

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I’m not in the know , I do not know , but maybe I know . But there is definitely an announcement coming soon . Gerrard can happen . 
 

the club are negotiating of course and have their targets now . But like a player transfer does not mean it will happen . Things go wrong and change . 

good news is , we are not hiring the coach who had multiple promotions , Ian Holloway 

the only people who really know are SL , JL and MA . But they are homing in . That I do know . 
 

plus .. when did we ever have the quality of applicants we have now ? 

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9 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

I’m not in the know , I do not know , but maybe I know . But there is definitely an announcement coming soon . Gerrard can happen . 
 

the club are negotiating of course and have their targets now . But like a player transfer does not mean it will happen . Things go wrong and change . 

good news is , we are not hiring the coach who had multiple promotions , Ian Holloway 

the only people who really know are SL , JL and MA . But they are homing in . That I do know . 
 

plus .. when did we ever have the quality of applicants we have now ? 

How do you know they are homing in?

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The board need to drop this mess right now if there is any truth in it. There is a manager with a wealth of knowledge, solid tactics and great experience in the Championship who is reported to be interested and we're chasing a man who hasn't actually done anything in Scotland worth noting. 

If I were Hughton and I saw that we were after Gerrard and Terry instead of me I'd be insulted. If the board fail with Gerrard and then settle for Terry over Hughton I honestly cannot understand their logic or reasoning. 

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7 hours ago, Dynamite Red said:

The more I weigh this up the more crazy this sounds.

For me go and get Hughton, he won't cost as much in wages and compensation, he has the experience of getting teams up and keeping them there, Gerrard has achieved nothing yet as a manager.

Hughton seemingly wants the job and will progress this team.  Gerrard does bring razzmatazz but also media focus, good and bad, if he has any success here he will be off in a flash.

Gerrard is a far riskier choice with less benefits.

Let’s just all admit we are common people and be done with it... 

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I know these points have been raised before on OTIB but just a reminder:

a) any manager who is proven was initially unproven at the club at which they first proved themselves 

b) it is not a foregone conclusion that proven managers will be able to prove themselves again at a different club 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Spike said:

The board need to drop this mess right now if there is any truth in it. There is a manager with a wealth of knowledge, solid tactics and great experience in the Championship who is reported to be interested and we're chasing a man who hasn't actually done anything in Scotland worth noting. 

If I were Hughton and I saw that we were after Gerrard and Terry instead of me I'd be insulted. If the board fail with Gerrard and then settle for Terry over Hughton I honestly cannot understand their logic or reasoning. 

If I were Ryan Lowe and I saw that I got the job ahead of a field that included Gerrard, Hughton and Terry I’d be delighted.. it’s the rest of us who will be left feeling insulted. 

Obviously hope this doesn’t happen but this is Bristol City... who knows perhaps COVID has changed the owners perspective on life in general and perhaps there will be a ‘new normal’ going forward... we can dream 🤩

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8 hours ago, billywedlock said:

I’m not in the know , I do not know , but maybe I know . But there is definitely an announcement coming soon . Gerrard can happen . 
 

the club are negotiating of course and have their targets now . But like a player transfer does not mean it will happen . Things go wrong and change . 

good news is , we are not hiring the coach who had multiple promotions , Ian Holloway 

the only people who really know are SL , JL and MA . But they are homing in . That I do know . 
 

plus .. when did we ever have the quality of applicants we have now ? 

Quality of applicants? Chris Hughton agreed. Gerrard, did he even apply? Where’s the quality after that? Lee Bowyer, solid applicant who is capable of doing the job no doubt but would you describe him as quality? Ryan Lowe? Mike Flynn? Would you call them “quality”?

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9 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Quality of applicants? Chris Hughton agreed. Gerrard, did he even apply? Where’s the quality after that? Lee Bowyer, solid applicant who is capable of doing the job no doubt but would you describe him as quality? Ryan Lowe? Mike Flynn? Would you call them “quality”?

Mick McCarthy presumably applied, based on the fact that the media were quickly made aware of his “interest”.

Plus as he looks like he’s getting the Brum job, I reckon Aitor Karanka probably has, too.

We don’t know who else has, but if as now appears to be likely, we haven’t seriously considered a manager who has won the Championship title (twice), qualified for a World Cup & the Euros playoffs, it is a reasonable assumption to make that there were quality applicants.

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2 hours ago, Spike said:

The board need to drop this mess right now if there is any truth in it. There is a manager with a wealth of knowledge, solid tactics and great experience in the Championship who is reported to be interested and we're chasing a man who hasn't actually done anything in Scotland worth noting. 

If I were Hughton and I saw that we were after Gerrard and Terry instead of me I'd be insulted. If the board fail with Gerrard and then settle for Terry over Hughton I honestly cannot understand their logic or reasoning. 

Gerrard would be a marketing appointment as much as a managerial one in my opinion. He would raise the profile of the club and find us a new fan base.

As well as potentially generating more money into the club I would guess Gerrard’s salary expectations and transfer budget to be less than Hughton given his lack on experience out of the two.

For me it’s quite a simple choice about what Lansdown wants. If it’s a genuine promotion attempt and and he is willing to back it financially then it’s Hughton. If it’s about raising our profile and generating more income, and hoping for a promotion bid, then it’s Gerrard.

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