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Bristol City v Stoke City - Matchday 44


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1 minute ago, GlastonburyRed said:

It's weird with Pato isn't it, it's almost as if he is underweight and not got enough reserves. 

He did have that relatively serious illness a couple years ago. Not sure he’s ever been quite so consistently good since. Just speculating though. 

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1 minute ago, GlastonburyRed said:

It's weird with Pato isn't it, it's almost as if he is underweight and not got enough reserves. 

I think with Pato we have seen it in the past that he works so hard, but he does seem to struggle to do it 3 games in a week to keep to those levels. He looked weak and tired today. Still did some nice things at times, but I would have brought him off.

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2 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I thought Korey was class again today! So composed, so sharp. He changes direction on the ball so quickly and his passing seems to be getting better, though he was never a bad passer of the ball. 

I think I would keep him on now. If we don't then see who will be after him!

Difference of view then Jon.

My issue with Korey is that when he plays instinctual, under pressure,  he moves the ball quicker. We need to be moving the ball with that kind of urgency and pace much more often imho. He dawdles on the ball way too often for my liking.

When he actually has time. He can be a complete liability. Hands waving like an F1 Marshall swatting a yellow flag around. Very rarely tries a risky pass, and flat out sucks at carrying the ball. One time he did was the fantastic ball to Diedhiou on the 1v1 when he actually picked his head up. He overthinks it.

I'm probably being harsh as he had to do 2 players work. Pato may as well have stayed at home today, complete liability and cheap in possession didnt help Korey whatsoever.

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Just now, Fuber said:

Difference of view then Jon.

My issue with Korey is that when he plays instinctual, under pressure,  he moves the ball quicker. We need to be moving the ball with that kind of urgency and pace much more often imho. He dawdles on the ball way too often for my liking.

When he actually has time. He can be a complete liability. Hands waving like an F1 Marshall swatting a yellow flag around. Very rarely tries a risky pass, and flat out sucks at carrying the ball. One time he did was the fantastic ball to Diedhiou on the 1v1 when he actually picked his head up. He overthinks it.

I'm probably being harsh as he had to do 2 players work. Pato may as well have stayed at home today, complete liability and cheap in possession didnt help Korey whatsoever.

Doesn't he have time and waves his hands when no one is showing for it, no good forward options for him to pass to? He's a talker, one of the few we have.

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2 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Doesn't he have time and waves his hands when no one is showing for it, no good forward options for him to pass to? He's a talker, one of the few we have.

The issue with that, is that he waits for the option, moves the ball off, but rarely moves off the ball after to move the ball up the pitch. He usually just steps back to provide an potion and then we rotate back into defence from a promising position. 

Its the biggest difference between Smith and Nagy.

The latter always anticipates on how to move the ball up the pitch and what areas to move into to help give an option before he's made the pass. Its simple, but effective; I thought the second half with Pato on a yellow was screaming out for Nagy imo.

Sign a bit of a unit for the midfield that can score a handful, then rotate between options of Nagy/Walsh and Morrell/Massengo, plus possibly a loan as cover and I think we'll be fine.

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Just now, Fuber said:

The issue with that, is that he waits for the option, moves the ball off, but rarely moves off the ball after to move the ball up the pitch. He usually just steps back to provide an potion and then we rotate back into defence from a promising position. 

Its the biggest difference between Smith and Nagy.

The latter always anticipates on how to move the ball up the pitch and what areas to move into to help give an option before he's made the pass. Its simple, but effective; I thought the second half with Pato on a yellow was screaming out for Nagy imo.

Sign a bit of a unit for the midfield that can score a handful, then rotate between options of Nagy/Walsh and Morrell/Massengo, plus possibly a loan as cover and I think we'll be fine.

True but I believe Korey can give and go and be parts of nice moves going forward.

But he mainly sits back, especially at the moment with our real lack of midfield. I believe Nagy doing Korey's role in this system would really struggle. 

Should have brought on Nagy to play alongside Korey though for sure.

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23 minutes ago, YGBjammy said:

Do we think we could get benkovic on loan for another year? 

Apparently Ashton was the link to Leicester not LJ so will depend what happens with Leicester in the market, if they signed another CB and Soyuncu doesn't leave the there could be a chance.

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3 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Apparently Ashton was the link to Leicester not LJ so will depend what happens with Leicester in the market, if they signed another CB and Soyuncu doesn't leave the there could be a chance.

Will depend on what happens with Ashton

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Deano, thank you, your post-match interview included ‘a draw was a fair result’, which IMO is spot on. This kind of comment is not something LJ would have ever said. I commend your honest, no nonsense communication. 

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On 15/07/2020 at 18:45, ExiledAjax said:

I would take that bet with you in a heart beat.

On this match: for all the first half excitement, and all the huff and puff, we've still only mustered 6 shots, one of which was on target. Stoke have had 10 with 3 on target. Same underlying issues as we saw all season under LJ.

Some better aspects though.

More possession...conceding a few less shots, and Middlesbrough away was excellent in general.

I think we have a credible Plan A now...the challenge is how we can improve it, albeit within the same structure/shape.

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49 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Some better aspects though.

More possession...conceding a few less shots, and Middlesbrough away was excellent in general.

I think we have a credible Plan A now...the challenge is how we can improve it, albeit within the same structure/shape.

Laid a foundation, built some familiarity, now to improve and drill it...whilst he’s still in charge.

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51 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Some better aspects though.

More possession...conceding a few less shots, and Middlesbrough away was excellent in general.

I think we have a credible Plan A now...the challenge is how we can improve it, albeit within the same structure/shape.

Passing has certainly improved. Quantity and quality, and effectiveness. Control and composure in midfield have also been better. I am still to be convinced that it's building towards much of a goal threat but that could be the next thing to work on. Even against Hull and Boro we were outshot just as much as over the rest of the season (although we did have more shots on target ).

Currently we still seem set up to counter attack...but then also are trying to hold possession. That seems counter-intuitive to me but what do I know?

Conceding fewer shots? Not really. Under LJ this season we averaged 14.5 shots against us per game. In the three since he left it's been 18, 14, and 10 to average 14 (albeit across a tiny sample size).

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8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Laid a foundation, built some familiarity, now to improve and drill it...whilst he’s still in charge.

Here's a (purely hypothetical) planning for next season and obviously nto next season. Would need one or two changes, or things to happen which are far from sure yet. I still can't decide on Maenpaa or Bentley, though age is clearly on the side of the latter. This is a mix of what works now and little tweaks for next season with returning players- and contains one or two assumptions.

          Maenpaa/Bentley

    Moore Kalas Benkovic

Hunt Two CM's there DaSilva

     Paterson  Weimann

              Wells

This is pretty loose tbh! However Walsh, Morrell, Massengo, Nagy, Smith- strong competition! Can interchange these?

Paterson has been better than I thought in CM...as and when he can a) Drop into the 3 and b) Help out DaSilva out left (Weimann can help out Hunt on the right, thereby avoiding overloading.

Both Moore and Benkovic can bring the ball out from the back at differing times, perhaps have one sit and one step into midfield.

Weimann energy and assist, Paterson producing moments of magic as he can- plus I think Weimann-Wells could be a nice combination to persist with moving forwards. Weimann-Wells= Assist-Goal x 2 Saturday.

That shape can morph between a 3-5-2, a 3-4-2-1, and a 3-4-1-2...possibly more as well! Particularly though 3-4-1-2 and 3-4-2-1.

Of course Diedhiou as first reserve, or some games we can play a 3rd CM for Paterson- more of a bonafide 3-5-2.

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So much will depend on the new manager.

I said a week or so ago that if you are gonna go back 3/5, i.e. wingbacks, your recruitment has to be “all-in” on it.  No half measures. You need 4 wingbacks, because they will get through so much work.  No point in having wingers, unless they truly can adapt to playing WB.

I looked at Sheffield Wednesday’s set up with Harris and Murphy....both wingers By trade.  Harris is hugely industrious.  Murphy less so.  No surprise that Harris had a big contribution.  Murphy looked a little lost for most of the game.

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