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It doesn't make sense to me to allow fans back in. Cases are going up all over the country. 

Fans have to wear a mask all game, are encouraged not to clap or sing either so it doesn't create much of an atmosphere. 

Also at half time and the end of the game fans will want to go to the toilet/leave how do they do that safely? 

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7 minutes ago, BetterRedthenBlue said:

It doesn't make sense to me to allow fans back in. Cases are going up all over the country. 

Fans have to wear a mask all game, are encouraged not to clap or sing either so it doesn't create much of an atmosphere. 

Also at half time and the end of the game fans will want to go to the toilet/leave how do they do that safely? 

You need to understand how the virus needs to be counter acted.

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29 minutes ago, BetterRedthenBlue said:

It doesn't make sense to me to allow fans back in. Cases are going up all over the country. 

Fans have to wear a mask all game, are encouraged not to clap or sing either so it doesn't create much of an atmosphere. 

Also at half time and the end of the game fans will want to go to the toilet/leave how do they do that safely? 

Quite easily with only 1000 in the ground, spread out. These matches will be used to assess where potential pinch points are when increasing the numbers and formulating plans to deal with this.

How many times as away fans have we been kept back after the final whistle. It'll be a similar process but on a block by block basis I expect.

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10 minutes ago, BetterRedthenBlue said:

It doesn't make sense to me to allow fans back in. Cases are going up all over the country. 

Fans have to wear a mask all game, are encouraged not to clap or sing either so it doesn't create much of an atmosphere. 

Also at half time and the end of the game fans will want to go to the toilet/leave how do they do that safely? 

Just make sure you don't pull your zip up before everything is safely tucked away.

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Luton Town Football Club would like to clarify the situation with regards to the ‘return of fans’ pilot programme starting this weekend.

On Tuesday at around midday, having received an email from the EFL asking for clubs to volunteer to take part, we put ourselves forward. We responded within the hour because, like many clubs, we are desperate to have our supporters back inside Kenilworth Road.

To stage a game with supporters here would take a lot of preparation time, and unfortunately, despite asking again from very early this morning, we had heard nothing from the League until a few minutes before they issued their statement stating that we were one of the clubs taking part.

 

Sadly, this does not give us enough time to get ready so we are unable to host spectators here for the Derby match.

We understand that the EFL are beholden to DCMS, but to request clubs to offer and then not back up quickly, knowing there is such little time to prepare, is very disappointing and we are sorry to disappoint supporters who may have raised hopes of attending Saturday’s match.

We remain committed to working with the EFL, DCMS, SGSA and local authority to getting our wonderful supporters back inside the Kenny as soon as is safely possible.

TAKEN FROM: https://www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2020/september/pilot-programme-statement/

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Rules and regs from Norwich that will be mirrored across all clubs in time I suspect.

As a holder of a matchday ticket to attend a fixture at Carrow Road you agree to comply with this COVID-19 Supporters Code of Conduct.
In order to assist our staff and stewards, and to help protect you and your fellow supporters, you are kindly requested to observe the following guidelines;
Before purchasing a ticket and again before attending a game at Carrow Road, complete your own personal risk assessment taking into consideration your age, health status and clinical vulnerability, but also if purchasing for others within your social or support bubble, their age, health status and clinical vulnerability.
• Please DO NOT attend the match at Carrow Road if;
o Within10 days prior to matchday, you or members of your household have suffered with any symptoms of coronavirus (current NHS guidance notes these symptoms as a high temperature, a new or continuous cough, loss or change to your sense of taste and/or smell).
o Within 10 days prior to matchday you have tested positive for coronavirus or you are awaiting test results.
o Prior to matchday, you are still within the 14 days self-isolation period after returning from abroad or have been contacted as part of the NHS ‘Track and Trace System’.
o Within 10 days of matchday you have been in contact with anyone with either confirmed or suspected coronavirus.
• Be aware that a non-invasive temperature check may be taken before entry and if the reading is above 37.8°C, you will not be permitted to enter the stadium and may be asked to attend the COVID isolation room.
• Please maintain good hand hygiene by frequently washing hands, using the sanitiser dispensers provided and avoid touching your face, and objects such as handles and handrails whenever possible.
• At ALL times and in ALL areas in and around the stadium, please observe social distancing and avoid close contact with others not in your social or support bubble.
• Arrive 11⁄2 hours before kick-off, ideally together in your social/support bubble to go through all the necessary entry procedures and security checks in a timely manner.
• Prior to attending the match please familiarise yourself with where your entry point is and check if an entry time is specified on your ticket, if this is the case please allow plenty of time.
• Please note that you may be required to wear a face covering and should bring one with you.
• Be aware NO cash or cheques will be accepted for purchases made at the stadium. We will accept all major debit or credit cards (excl American Express) plus various from of contactless payment including Apple pay and Google pay.
• Access to the amenities within the stadium such as toilets, food and drinks outlets, or concessions may have changed, so please plan accordingly.
• You are requested to remain in your allocated match day seat or viewing position, whenever possible.
• If you do need to leave your viewing position or matchday seat, please wait until the gangway is clear and
always follow the signs indicating which way to go.
• If you are in a seated area, when moving past other supporters please avoid face to face contact with other supporters.
• Avoid hugs, high-fives and any close contact with people who are not within your social or support bubble.
• If you are attending with other members of your social or support bubble, please make sure they have read and
understood this supporters code of conduct as well.

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A lot of that was on the cards, to be expected.

Some newer bits- plus some questions.

Alcohol. In view of the pitch or no? Am guessing the latter.

Masks/face coverings. Would they just be needed outside ie queueing to get in, in the concourse or at pretty much all times.

We know about potentially allocated and staggered entry times but what about exit?

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2 hours ago, phantom said:

Luton Town Football Club would like to clarify the situation with regards to the ‘return of fans’ pilot programme starting this weekend.

On Tuesday at around midday, having received an email from the EFL asking for clubs to volunteer to take part, we put ourselves forward. We responded within the hour because, like many clubs, we are desperate to have our supporters back inside Kenilworth Road.

To stage a game with supporters here would take a lot of preparation time, and unfortunately, despite asking again from very early this morning, we had heard nothing from the League until a few minutes before they issued their statement stating that we were one of the clubs taking part.

 

Sadly, this does not give us enough time to get ready so we are unable to host spectators here for the Derby match.

We understand that the EFL are beholden to DCMS, but to request clubs to offer and then not back up quickly, knowing there is such little time to prepare, is very disappointing and we are sorry to disappoint supporters who may have raised hopes of attending Saturday’s match.

We remain committed to working with the EFL, DCMS, SGSA and local authority to getting our wonderful supporters back inside the Kenny as soon as is safely possible.

TAKEN FROM: https://www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2020/september/pilot-programme-statement/

So they've put themselves forward, despite clearly not being in a position to do so. Wow. They've only had six months to plan for such a thing. I'd hope those at Ashton Gate have provisional plans to cater for a range of different number limits where plans could be implemented quickly.

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Bristol Bears send out a survey on email to fans about an hour ago to see who wanted to go to games, if they could, and would they sit anywhere and accept a15-20 minute time slot for arriving at AG etc

Will be interesting to see how this pans out given the seemingly unstoppable momentum towards a second wave. 

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2 hours ago, James54De said:

So they've put themselves forward, despite clearly not being in a position to do so. Wow. They've only had six months to plan for such a thing. I'd hope those at Ashton Gate have provisional plans to cater for a range of different number limits where plans could be implemented quickly.

Jon Lansdown initimated the club are ready when he spoke to 20man the other week.

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21 hours ago, James54De said:

So they've put themselves forward, despite clearly not being in a position to do so. Wow. They've only had six months to plan for such a thing. I'd hope those at Ashton Gate have provisional plans to cater for a range of different number limits where plans could be implemented quickly.

And another .....

We regret to announce that the proposed pilot event at the KCOM Stadium this coming Saturday will not take place with fans in attendance.

The original guidance was that up to 1,000 supporters would be able to attend Hull City’s home game against Crewe Alexandra, in fact, to manage risk, our intended number of invited fans was proposed to be around 600. 

Whilst the Club’s request to host a pilot event had been authorised by the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport and the Sports Grounds Safety Authority, final approval was required from Hull City Council and the local Safety Advisory Group. 

Unfortunately, due to the rising infection rate in Hull over the last two weeks, we have been unable to receive approval from Hull City Council Public Health. 

Naturally, whilst we are extremely disappointed that we will not be able to welcome supporters into the KCOM Stadium this Saturday, we will continue to work closely with all of the relevant bodies in a bid to welcome supporters back to the KCOM Stadium as soon as possible. 

In a joint statement, Julia Weldon, Director of Public Health at Hull City Council and Sam Henderson, Head of Stadium Operations at Stadium Management Company said:  

“In order for the proposed ‘return of fans’ pilot match to go ahead at the Hull City vs Crewe Alexandra game at the KCOM Stadium this Saturday, it was necessary to meet 10 public event assessment criteria, established by the Association of Directors of Public Health. 

“The first of these states that there can be no significant increase in the area’s coronavirus infection rate ahead of an event. Unfortunately, the rate in Hull currently stands at 15.3 infections per 100,000 people, up from 4.2 per 100,000 people last week. Consequently, on the grounds of public health and public safety, this pilot cannot go ahead and the game will have to be played without fans in attendance.  

“We appreciate this decision will be disappointing for many but, in the current circumstances, it is the safest and most appropriate decision and has been made in the best interests of our residents and our visitors.”
 
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https://www.thetotallyfootballshow.com/shows/totally-football-league-show-efl-podcast/

This podcast has a really interesting first 15 minutes. The presenters interview the CEO of Shrewsbury Town, Brian Caldwell. Shrewsbury are one of the clubs piloting the return of 1,000 fans this weekend. Shrewsbury currently have about 2,700 ST holders and the interview covers the processes behind this pilot.

In summary:

Caldwell says that in terms of preparation the club received an email from from the EFL on Tuesday at 11.30am. It sounds like this was an email to all EFL clubs, and it was basically asking if any clubs would be up for being part of the pilot. Responses had to be in by 2pm the same day! Before responding Shrewsbury needed the ok of their SAG, plus the police, ambulance, insurers etc. Mad timeline all around really.

Anyway, Shrewsbury were able to respond positively as they have a 24 acre site, so have plenty of spare space in which to distance fans.

The EFL gave the go ahead to Shrewsbury on Wednesday at 1pm. So they have had Wednesday pm, today, tomorrow, and Saturday morning to prepare for their 3pm Saturday game (against the absolute slugs of football Northampton Town). Naturally it's been mental.

Shrewsbury had prepared 1,000 tickets on Wednesday morning, assuming they'd get the go ahead. Given the timeline they weren't able to do any sort of sophisticated or phased selection system, so it just went first come first served amongst ST holders, going live for purchase at 2pm yesterday. Any ST holder not getting a ticket has been given free streaming access on iFollow. Caldwell said ideally - and if they're part of future pilots - then he's thinking of prioritising ST holders depending on how early they renewed last season.

On Saturday fans will be distanced in their seats, but allowed to sit in small groups, eg people from the same address. Just one stand will be open, no concourse facilities are open, and there's a full one way system for toilets. Lots of stickers, signs and barriers are being put up. There will be catering, but all will be outside, out the back of the stand - again they can do this because of their spacious site.

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On 16/09/2020 at 13:23, phantom said:

Up to 1,000 fans will be allowed to attend 10 different English Football League games this weekend as part of the government's crowd pilots.

The news comes as discussions between the EFL and the government about a return for more supporters from 1 October continue.

No fans have attended an EFL fixture since March because of the coronavirus.

Three Championship games, four League One matches and three in League Two have been chosen for this weekend.

The following games, all taking place on Saturday, have been chosen (all kick-off times 15:00 BST unless stated):

Championship

  • Luton Town v Derby County
  • Middlesbrough v AFC Bournemouth
  • Norwich City v Preston North End

League One

  • Blackpool v Swindon Town
  • Charlton Athletic v Doncaster Rovers
  • Hull City v Crewe Alexandra
  • Shrewsbury Town v Northampton Town

League Two

  • Carlisle United v Southend United (13:00 BST)
  • Forest Green Rovers v Bradford City
  • Morecambe v Cambridge United

Don’t Forest Green have a very small ground (5,000 capacity?). That’s a very large percentage and a huge advantage with home support.

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2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

https://www.thetotallyfootballshow.com/shows/totally-football-league-show-efl-podcast/

This podcast has a really interesting first 15 minutes. The presenters interview the CEO of Shrewsbury Town, Brian Caldwell. Shrewsbury are one of the clubs piloting the return of 1,000 fans this weekend. Shrewsbury currently have about 2,700 ST holders and the interview covers the processes behind this pilot.

In summary:

Caldwell says that in terms of preparation the club received an email from from the EFL on Tuesday at 11.30am. It sounds like this was an email to all EFL clubs, and it was basically asking if any clubs would be up for being part of the pilot. Responses had to be in by 2pm the same day! Before responding Shrewsbury needed the ok of their SAG, plus the police, ambulance, insurers etc. Mad timeline all around really.

Anyway, Shrewsbury were able to respond positively as they have a 24 acre site, so have plenty of spare space in which to distance fans.

The EFL gave the go ahead to Shrewsbury on Wednesday at 1pm. So they have had Wednesday pm, today, tomorrow, and Saturday morning to prepare for their 3pm Saturday game (against the absolute slugs of football Northampton Town). Naturally it's been mental.

Shrewsbury had prepared 1,000 tickets on Wednesday morning, assuming they'd get the go ahead. Given the timeline they weren't able to do any sort of sophisticated or phased selection system, so it just went first come first served amongst ST holders, going live for purchase at 2pm yesterday. Any ST holder not getting a ticket has been given free streaming access on iFollow. Caldwell said ideally - and if they're part of future pilots - then he's thinking of prioritising ST holders depending on how early they renewed last season.

On Saturday fans will be distanced in their seats, but allowed to sit in small groups, eg people from the same address. Just one stand will be open, no concourse facilities are open, and there's a full one way system for toilets. Lots of stickers, signs and barriers are being put up. There will be catering, but all will be outside, out the back of the stand - again they can do this because of their spacious site.

Shrewsbury’s new ground was the first away ground I took Joe.  As you describe, it is well set up for a test event.

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11 hours ago, Chairman Mao said:

I suspect this is going to be wishful thinking as cases start to climb again. I see France have hit 10,500 in one day and they are probably 2-3 weeks ahead of us. October is going to be messy.

And yet rightly or wrongly France are letting considerable numbers into stadiums. Given that our government's (deeply flawed) response to covid 19 is extremely data driven, it will all depend on whether the data shows that cases are being transmitted at sporting events. My money is on very few cases being transmitted in this setting with all the social distancing and hygiene measures in place, plus the fact that it is largely all outside

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3 hours ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

With some grounds unable to do test events due to local lockdowns. 
Would it be fair if some clubs got the ok to let in fans permanent when others couldn’t.  Some clubs would be making money and some not, survival could depend on it.

Clubs are applying as test events.

It's these clubs having these test events that in turn will lead to more people being allowed in others

In addition I've only read that clubs letting supporters in are actually making a loss, so no financial gain, just a case of helping other clubs in the longer term

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27 minutes ago, phantom said:

Clubs are applying as test events.

It's these clubs having these test events that in turn will lead to more people being allowed in others

In addition I've only read that clubs letting supporters in are actually making a loss, so no financial gain, just a case of helping other clubs in the longer term

I know that, I did say permanent if given ok. 
 

With teams struggling to make ends meet would they be happy if clubs could get fans in if they couldn’t due to no fault of there own except they are in a lockdown area.

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34 minutes ago, jrabrewer said:

And yet rightly or wrongly France are letting considerable numbers into stadiums. Given that our government's (deeply flawed) response to covid 19 is extremely data driven, it will all depend on whether the data shows that cases are being transmitted at sporting events. My money is on very few cases being transmitted in this setting with all the social distancing and hygiene measures in place, plus the fact that it is largely all outside

well, this government didn't think there was any risk for 1000s of people to attend Cheltenham ?‍♂️

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2 hours ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

New guidelines come in up North, no longer allowed to attend or semi professional or amateur sporting events. 
This will have a big effect on FA Cup and FA Vase if fans can’t attend. 

Really poor. With lockdown coming for everyone by looks of it, forget live professional football this season I think.

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