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3 hours ago, Robert the bruce said:

You'll nae be inside Ashton Gate this season......fact.

Open your eyes & look around you,,it's for real...infection rates up,,,,,hospital admissions rising steadily...

Kid yourself if you prefer.

Where have I mentioned Ashton Gate, I’m more than happy watching the games I’m watching now, and will continue too.

Level 3 and below has the all clear to carry on as it is??.

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4 hours ago, Robert the bruce said:

You'll nae be inside Ashton Gate this season......fact.

Open your eyes & look around you,,it's for real...infection rates up,,,,,hospital admissions rising steadily...

Kid yourself if you prefer.

It's not A FACT at all, it's your opinion and nothing more @Robert the bruce

On the basis that medical experts were queuing up and falling over themselves to point out the figures provided earlier in the week were both incorrect and that their own numbers didn't add up. 

Here's some FACTS for you, The EFL are already in talks with parliament to get a mapping laid out on fans returning this season. These discussions will be held in the coming weeks to get fans back in for test events again. 

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I'd be surprised if we have fans at Sport this side of Christmas but who knows.

I'll rephrase that- I'd be surprised if we have fans at Professional Sport this side of Christmas- @Portland Bill said something about Step 3 and below. Infections are only likely to rise in the short and maybe medium term in some respects because though it's not a seasonal disease, I'd say it can spread moreso in Autumn and Winter as lots more coughs, sneezes etc- more coughs and sneezes=more droplets. More droplets=more chance of spread asymptomaticallty or otherwise.

Besides how can you say "Work from home where you can, pubs and Hospitality shut at 10pm but OTOH sports venues can reopen at a time where spread is potentially more likely- but gatherings at houses or in more than 6, that's not on the cards!"

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3 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funny_old_game/1469059.stm

And to think we love a fish-related pun on here - the Beeb were at it nearly 20 years ago! 

Ha ha. How wonderfully ironic that they got relegated the next year ??

Get to Champs League semi. Buy fish for good luck. Get relegated and spend the next 2 decades out of the top flight 

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49 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Worth a read.  

 

I feel sorry for the clubs and the lengths they have had to go to to prepare implementation of standards which are intended to keep fans safe only for this Government to scuper their plans.

Unfortunately, while the efforts Colchester have gone to are commendable, they aren't able to account for the actions of the fans who do attend. While most fans probably will adhere and are careful, there will always be some that just don't care and and don't stick the Colchesters measures putting others at risk. 

I don't think pushing ahead with plans to allow fans back in is the right thing to do given the increase in rates right now.

The questions then become how are some clubs saved from total collapse or should they be?

It's a mess made even worse by the Governments inconsistent decisions causing so much confusion.  Give it another 2 or 3 weeks though and we'll be in even strong lockdown rules when the Government see these latest (pitiful) measures won't slow this second wave - largely because so many people have given up being careful already. By that point the question of whether some fans should be allowed back in will be a much easier one to answer.

 

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2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Have you ever known a UK government high tech implementation go well? I am really struggling.
 

As likely as the Johnson “Moonshot”, although if it really involved strapping him to a rocket, I would willingly throw in a few quid for it!

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2 hours ago, Loco Rojo said:

I feel sorry for the clubs and the lengths they have had to go to to prepare implementation of standards which are intended to keep fans safe only for this Government to scuper their plans.

Unfortunately, while the efforts Colchester have gone to are commendable, they aren't able to account for the actions of the fans who do attend. While most fans probably will adhere and are careful, there will always be some that just don't care and and don't stick the Colchesters measures putting others at risk. 

I don't think pushing ahead with plans to allow fans back in is the right thing to do given the increase in rates right now.

The questions then become how are some clubs saved from total collapse or should they be?

It's a mess made even worse by the Governments inconsistent decisions causing so much confusion.  Give it another 2 or 3 weeks though and we'll be in even strong lockdown rules when the Government see these latest (pitiful) measures won't slow this second wave - largely because so many people have given up being careful already. By that point the question of whether some fans should be allowed back in will be a much easier one to answer.

 

Agreed when certain segments of the population can’t social distance or wear a mask indoors, the chances of compliance for re-opening to larger numbers of spectators is pretty much nil while prevalence levels are this high.

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53 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Have you ever known a UK government high tech implementation go well? I am really struggling.
 

As likely as the Johnson “Moonshot”, although if it really involved strapping him to a rocket, I would willingly throw in a few quid for it!

Agree! Tbh when I first saw it, Moonshot was a term that came to mind.

I'm not aTelegraph subscriber but would be interested in what the measures are.

50 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Agreed when certain segments of the population can’t social distance or wear a mask indoors, the chances of compliance for re-opening to larger numbers of spectators is pretty much nil while prevalence levels are this high.

I don't see how numbers as the weather gets colder- I know it's not a seasonal disease but I believe it can spread more readily in Autumn and Winter- come down between now and April sufficiently to allow fans back.

I'll be a bit more optimistic and say no fans at live sport at eg Ashton Gate before early January.

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Just been texting a friend up in Nottingham  he went to a music event hosted by Radio one. 

He said it was busy  but felt safe. People had to wear face covering. 

I'm confused how events are still happening. 

I noticed earlier Maya Jama was sharing details of how to go to TV recordings of a show shes recording over the next two evenings 

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1 hour ago, Dr Balls said:

Agreed when certain segments of the population won’t social distance or wear a mask indoors, the chances of compliance for re-opening to larger numbers of spectators is pretty much nil while prevalence levels are this high.

unfortunately the bolded correction is more accurate I think. That isn't even a comment on whether such measures are a good thing or not, more that a high level of compliance will be needed for permission to start to return to be given

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Now this maybe outdated, this may have passed but it's worth a look certainly. Different country and absolutely less developed than here- but also smaller.

Nicuagura and Sporting Events. One of these listed was a Sports stadium. Assuming this was in May 2020 again maybe a bit dated.

https://confidencial.com.ni/how-masaya-nicaragua-became-a-covid-19-hot-spot/

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From the article. ⬆️ Precious little social distancing?

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There has to be a realistic review of this, as there is a massive difference between Conference North and South and Man Utd. In a Country where 23 hours in Spoons is allowed, but a number of socially distanced fans in open air are not permitted, something

must be wrong. Europe seems to be managing it well, and protecting sporting clubs should be important. We seem to be falling for the Government BS blame shifting and trying to punish ourselves. Sorry, let’s have leadership, consistent messaging, taking it seriously, trying to balance the various needs, proper planning, not just making it up as they go along. Maybe even see what scientist say.

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19 hours ago, phantom said:

Peter Risdale was on Talksport this morning, he mentioned that PNE could finacially support the football team for this and next season under current restrictions.

Clearly not all clubs are in the same position

All Risdale had to do was cut back on the goldfish and not sign Seth Johnson.

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39 minutes ago, Chappers said:

There has to be a realistic review of this, as there is a massive difference between Conference North and South and Man Utd. In a Country where 23 hours in Spoons is allowed, but a number of socially distanced fans in open air are not permitted, something

must be wrong. Europe seems to be managing it well, and protecting sporting clubs should be important. We seem to be falling for the Government BS blame shifting and trying to punish ourselves. Sorry, let’s have leadership, consistent messaging, taking it seriously, trying to balance the various needs, proper planning, not just making it up as they go along. Maybe even see what scientist say.

It worked in Sweden as there is still a social contract that the Government is there for the people, which is what retains trust, and why they have done what was required. Pretty much the same in Germany. It’s not the case here because quite rightly many feel that Johnson & co don’t really give a stuff about them as long as they are alright, plus Cummings et al are allowed to “interpret the rules” however they see fit, but we have to follow them and get blamed for spreading the virus by breaking them. One thing that annoys people more than anything is hypocrisy, and this lot are full of it!

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28 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said:

I wonder if an unspoken reason is that police and paramedics will be needed to reopen all grounds but in 6 weeks time these same staff may be needed in hospitals etc ?

 

Possible, but why it needs looking at separately for each of the levels, to work out what CAN be done and what restrictions will need to apply.A lot of National League side will struggle to stage FA Cup games without fans, and I think the League is being suspended, as they just cannot afford to stage the games. 
If only football donated money to the Tory party, or Cummings was a fan... Solutions would soon be found.

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Trouble is I believe with people not following the rules Police are needed elsewhere to enforce these rules. I’m guessing Clubs at a certain level can’t play due to safety licences that need certain people groups there. As someone previously said maybe resources are needed elsewhere hospitals etc. 

Also before lockdown people were saying 3000 Madrid fans walking through Liverpool was madness for they may of spread Covid. 1000 fans walking through any town area uncontrolled is a big risk and maybe is why the Government think it’s not worth it.
 

But it does seem a bit double standards when endless clubs lower down leagues can have 300 fans in per game’. Here in Manchester my local said had a 300 limit they’ve been told to drop it to 150 and ticket only now no cash at turnstiles. 

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55 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said:

I wonder if an unspoken reason is that police and paramedics will be needed to reopen all grounds but in 6 weeks time these same staff may be needed in hospitals etc ?

 

I thought it might be more to do with the travelling to and from games, but we are all speculating because the government choose to just arbitrarily impose things without explanation. Their current thinking seems to be that the virus only operates between the hours of 10pm and 6am, presumably after watching the film Gremlins?  so that should have no effect on football at all!

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14 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I thought it might be more to do with the travelling to and from games, but we are all speculating because the government choose to just arbitrarily impose things without explanation. Their current thinking seems to be that the virus only operates between the hours of 10pm and 6am, presumably after watching the film Gremlins?  so that should have no effect on football at all!

As if they told everyone to stay in all the time people would moan more, 

People seem to have no common sense in this country.

Its clear they obviously don’t think that. 

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44 minutes ago, Chappers said:

Possible, but why it needs looking at separately for each of the levels, to work out what CAN be done and what restrictions will need to apply.A lot of National League side will struggle to stage FA Cup games without fans, and I think the League is being suspended, as they just cannot afford to stage the games. 
If only football donated money to the Tory party, or Cummings was a fan... Solutions Exceptions would soon be found.

Fixed that for you

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3 minutes ago, S25loyal said:

As if they told everyone to stay in all the time people would moan more, 

People seem to have no common sense in this country.

Its clear they obviously don’t think that. 

But there is no logic to the timings, all they are likely to do is increase the number of people who will want to go out at other times, making social distancing more difficult.

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It’s ridiculous there has to be some way now to get a small % of people into stadiums. I’m sure clubs don’t care if it’s 500 people at this point, that’s 500 refunds they don’t have to give. 
Be as militant as you like about the rules, masks during games, 5 seats between people, allocated entry/exit points, but start drip feeding people in. 
If I can go to a pub, cinema, restaurant indoors with 2m distancing then football should be less of a risk. 

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3 hours ago, Chappers said:

There has to be a realistic review of this, as there is a massive difference between Conference North and South and Man Utd. In a Country where 23 hours in Spoons is allowed, but a number of socially distanced fans in open air are not permitted, something

must be wrong. Europe seems to be managing it well, and protecting sporting clubs should be important. We seem to be falling for the Government BS blame shifting and trying to punish ourselves. Sorry, let’s have leadership, consistent messaging, taking it seriously, trying to balance the various needs, proper planning, not just making it up as they go along. Maybe even see what scientist say.

What spoons is open 23 hours a day?
I still think your ignoring the very basic point of the message.

The message is "we're socialising too much and we need to tighten up". There are parts of the UK that aren't allowed to mix with other households indoors. We are no longer at the stage of "how can we open up safely" like when these trials started and fans started going in. We are at the stage of "we must slow down NOW to avoid a full restriction again".

You cannot send out that message by allowing crowds into sporting events, or music venues or anything else that hasn't already been opened up. I'm expecting "park" level football to be restricted next as I can't see how 30+ of us can play football all over the country tomorrow whilst adhering to the message because aside from the football it's everything that goes with it. The car sharing to get there and back and the heading into the pub for a drink after are two immediate things that spring to mind.

We can talk about other countries but as I pointed out earlier, France are backtracking on numbers in some places. We've also managed the whole virus differently to other countries. Places that have handled the whole situation better are in a better position than us to open up - as above, we aren't opening up right now we are closing down again.

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

I thought it might be more to do with the travelling to and from games, but we are all speculating because the government choose to just arbitrarily impose things without explanation. Their current thinking seems to be that the virus only operates between the hours of 10pm and 6am, presumably after watching the film Gremlins?  so that should have no effect on football at all!

Only people being facetious or just simple think it only operates between hours of 10 and 6. I dont think there's any clear science about the time but its quite obvious to most that closing bars earlier will lead to some of the following:

- less people going out as some will deem it not worth it.
- less time available for people to drink upto 4 hours for some venus.
- the usual kick-out shenanigans that happen at 1/2am and cause Police issues will now happen earlier

It's not perfect but it's a time that allows people to still go out, and particularly have a meal, but without getting stupid(er) like people do in the early hours. Of course people will likely head back to houses instead of just going home, but something had to be done short of closing them completely.

52 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

But there is no logic to the timings, all they are likely to do is increase the number of people who will want to go out at other times, making social distancing more difficult.

As above, there's some logic to it even if it's far from perfect. Shouldnt make social distancing any more difficult because bars and restaurants wont allow any more people in than their limit

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14 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

What spoons is open 23 hours a day?
I still think your ignoring the very basic point of the message.

The message is "we're socialising too much and we need to tighten up". There are parts of the UK that aren't allowed to mix with other households indoors. We are no longer at the stage of "how can we open up safely" like when these trials started and fans started going in. We are at the stage of "we must slow down NOW to avoid a full restriction again".

You cannot send out that message by allowing crowds into sporting events, or music venues or anything else that hasn't already been opened up. I'm expecting "park" level football to be restricted next as I can't see how 30+ of us can play football all over the country tomorrow whilst adhering to the message because aside from the football it's everything that goes with it. The car sharing to get there and back and the heading into the pub for a drink after are two immediate things that spring to mind.

We can talk about other countries but as I pointed out earlier, France are backtracking on numbers in some places. We've also managed the whole virus differently to other countries. Places that have handled the whole situation better are in a better position than us to open up - as above, we aren't opening up right now we are closing down again.

Only people being facetious or just simple think it only operates between hours of 10 and 6. I dont think there's any clear science about the time but its quite obvious to most that closing bars earlier will lead to some of the following:

- less people going out as some will deem it not worth it.
- less time available for people to drink upto 4 hours for some venus.
- the usual kick-out shenanigans that happen at 1/2am and cause Police issues will now happen earlier

It's not perfect but it's a time that allows people to still go out, and particularly have a meal, but without getting stupid(er) like people do in the early hours. Of course people will likely head back to houses instead of just going home, but something had to be done short of closing them completely.

As above, there's some logic to it even if it's far from perfect. Shouldnt make social distancing any more difficult because bars and restaurants wont allow any more people in than their limit

Fair enough, things have to be tried. I downloaded the Track and trace app today, all the government have to do now is get the "test" part right that should have been running in February.

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