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Attendance from October/Fans Return (Merged)


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It does seem a bit barmy infection rates increasing, stopping people from mixing in households but we are going to let a 1000 people into a football match.

Non league I understand normally open spaces and can spread out. Champ PL grounds are partially enclosed and with lots of concourses surely the chances of spreading the virus increase.

Its ok clubs saying we need fans to survive but there is a reason why it’s not been done before and has been cut from 2500 to 1000 and that’s fans safety. 

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23 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

It does seem a bit barmy infection rates increasing, stopping people from mixing in households but we are going to let a 1000 people into a football match.

Non league I understand normally open spaces and can spread out. Champ PL grounds are partially enclosed and with lots of concourses surely the chances of spreading the virus increase.

Its ok clubs saying we need fans to survive but there is a reason why it’s not been done before and has been cut from 2500 to 1000 and that’s fans safety. 

I don't want to sound rude, but if you looked into what precautions etc were in place you would know the answer to the points you raised above

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1 hour ago, Red Alert said:

Nice idea, but expect Bristol Sport to refund STH and sell tickets at double the POTD prices as part of a one off match day experience package.

More or less what happened with Rugby. You either gave your refund 'to the academy'  and got  a guaranteed 'free' ticket to the first game to be open for fans or got a ticket credit with 1st dibs to buy a ticket. 

One suspects the tickets will be about £40/£50 each.

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15 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’d agree on the pre existing conditions piece. May even suggest that’s something clubs will be asked to enforce (maybe fans when applying do a self declaration)

I think all the club can do is ask for expressions of interest (including on a family basis to avoid an 8 year old getting a ticket with no adult!) and then randomly select. Polls showing about 50/50 at present

My thinking exactly...though me getting a ticket and my own 8 year old not getting one would also be a very hazardous situation! (for my wife, anyway! 😆)

I still think I'd want to see how the first few go before taking him down there though in all honesty...

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2 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

My thinking exactly...though me getting a ticket and my own 8 year old not getting one would also be a very hazardous situation! (for my wife, anyway! 😆)

I still think I'd want to see how the first few go before taking him down there though in all honesty...

I believe my 8 year old is slightly more psychotic than yours....so if your wife is in trouble god help mine!

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

I don't want to sound rude, but if you looked into what precautions etc were in place you would know the answer to the points you raised above

It’s ok 

Just seems wrong that when cases are rising and highest since May it’s decided it’s ok to admit fans.  If it was safe why not 2500 not just 1000. I know clubs have to start somewhere just seems pressure is mounting to get fans in from clubs for there own survival and to save a bit of money. 
 

I volunteer at a non league club in Manchester so know how much work is involved to get games on. We are limited to 300 and have to temp check each person, contract details and make sure each person or group is distanced even though they are outside. Cannot open indoor bar for enclosed space so outside cabin only available for food and drink.

I also believe it’s FA Vase this weekend and as it’s grassroots football i have been told everyone on the bench now has to wear a mask. Seems the rules are getting stricter.  

 

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6 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

It’s ok 

Just seems wrong that when cases are rising and highest since May it’s decided it’s ok to admit fans.  If it was safe why not 2500 not just 1000. I know clubs have to start somewhere just seems pressure is mounting to get fans in from clubs for there own survival and to save a bit of money. 
 

I volunteer at a non league club in Manchester so know how much work is involved to get games on. We are limited to 300 and have to temp check each person, contract details and make sure each person or group is distanced even though they are outside. Cannot open indoor bar for enclosed space so outside cabin only available for food and drink.

I also believe it’s FA Vase this weekend and as it’s grassroots football i have been told everyone on the bench now has to wear a mask. Seems the rules are getting stricter.  

 

Are you that desperate for players that anyone turning up with a pair of boots has a chance?

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4 minutes ago, Gazred said:

Up to 1,000 fans will be allowed to attend 10 different English Football League games this weekend as part of the government's crowd pilots.

The news comes as discussions between the EFL and the government about a return for more supporters from 1 October continue.

No fans have attended an EFL fixture since March because of the coronavirus.

Three Championship games, four League One matches and three in League Two have been chosen for this weekend.

The following games, all taking place on Saturday, have been chosen (all kick-off times 15:00 BST unless stated):

Championship

  • Luton Town v Derby County
  • Middlesbrough v AFC Bournemouth
  • Norwich City v Preston North End

League One

  • Blackpool v Swindon Town
  • Charlton Athletic v Doncaster Rovers
  • Hull City v Crewe Alexandra
  • Shrewsbury Town v Northampton Town

League Two

  • Carlisle United v Southend United (13:00 BST)
  • Forest Green Rovers v Bradford City
  • Morecambe v Cambridge United
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35 minutes ago, phantom said:

Up to 1,000 fans will be allowed to attend 10 different English Football League games this weekend as part of the government's crowd pilots.

The news comes as discussions between the EFL and the government about a return for more supporters from 1 October continue.

No fans have attended an EFL fixture since March because of the coronavirus.

Three Championship games, four League One matches and three in League Two have been chosen for this weekend.

The following games, all taking place on Saturday, have been chosen (all kick-off times 15:00 BST unless stated):

Championship

  • Luton Town v Derby County
  • Middlesbrough v AFC Bournemouth
  • Norwich City v Preston North End

League One

  • Blackpool v Swindon Town
  • Charlton Athletic v Doncaster Rovers
  • Hull City v Crewe Alexandra
  • Shrewsbury Town v Northampton Town

League Two

  • Carlisle United v Southend United (13:00 BST)
  • Forest Green Rovers v Bradford City
  • Morecambe v Cambridge United

Is it home fans only? 

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2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

I believe my 8 year old is slightly more psychotic than yours....so if your wife is in trouble god help mine!

Funnily enough when they met up at the Yate Town match my brother (been to watch us a few times) said "That's the Keeper, isn't it? The psycho!" 😂

14 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Is it home fans only? 

Could you imagine the meltdown if only 1000 fans are allowed in and away fans form part of figure? Definitely home fans only.

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It doesn't make sense to me to allow fans back in. Cases are going up all over the country. 

Fans have to wear a mask all game, are encouraged not to clap or sing either so it doesn't create much of an atmosphere. 

Also at half time and the end of the game fans will want to go to the toilet/leave how do they do that safely? 

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7 minutes ago, BetterRedthenBlue said:

It doesn't make sense to me to allow fans back in. Cases are going up all over the country. 

Fans have to wear a mask all game, are encouraged not to clap or sing either so it doesn't create much of an atmosphere. 

Also at half time and the end of the game fans will want to go to the toilet/leave how do they do that safely? 

You need to understand how the virus needs to be counter acted.

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29 minutes ago, BetterRedthenBlue said:

It doesn't make sense to me to allow fans back in. Cases are going up all over the country. 

Fans have to wear a mask all game, are encouraged not to clap or sing either so it doesn't create much of an atmosphere. 

Also at half time and the end of the game fans will want to go to the toilet/leave how do they do that safely? 

Quite easily with only 1000 in the ground, spread out. These matches will be used to assess where potential pinch points are when increasing the numbers and formulating plans to deal with this.

How many times as away fans have we been kept back after the final whistle. It'll be a similar process but on a block by block basis I expect.

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10 minutes ago, BetterRedthenBlue said:

It doesn't make sense to me to allow fans back in. Cases are going up all over the country. 

Fans have to wear a mask all game, are encouraged not to clap or sing either so it doesn't create much of an atmosphere. 

Also at half time and the end of the game fans will want to go to the toilet/leave how do they do that safely? 

Just make sure you don't pull your zip up before everything is safely tucked away.

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Luton Town Football Club would like to clarify the situation with regards to the ‘return of fans’ pilot programme starting this weekend.

On Tuesday at around midday, having received an email from the EFL asking for clubs to volunteer to take part, we put ourselves forward. We responded within the hour because, like many clubs, we are desperate to have our supporters back inside Kenilworth Road.

To stage a game with supporters here would take a lot of preparation time, and unfortunately, despite asking again from very early this morning, we had heard nothing from the League until a few minutes before they issued their statement stating that we were one of the clubs taking part.

 

Sadly, this does not give us enough time to get ready so we are unable to host spectators here for the Derby match.

We understand that the EFL are beholden to DCMS, but to request clubs to offer and then not back up quickly, knowing there is such little time to prepare, is very disappointing and we are sorry to disappoint supporters who may have raised hopes of attending Saturday’s match.

We remain committed to working with the EFL, DCMS, SGSA and local authority to getting our wonderful supporters back inside the Kenny as soon as is safely possible.

TAKEN FROM: https://www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2020/september/pilot-programme-statement/

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Rules and regs from Norwich that will be mirrored across all clubs in time I suspect.

As a holder of a matchday ticket to attend a fixture at Carrow Road you agree to comply with this COVID-19 Supporters Code of Conduct.
In order to assist our staff and stewards, and to help protect you and your fellow supporters, you are kindly requested to observe the following guidelines;
Before purchasing a ticket and again before attending a game at Carrow Road, complete your own personal risk assessment taking into consideration your age, health status and clinical vulnerability, but also if purchasing for others within your social or support bubble, their age, health status and clinical vulnerability.
• Please DO NOT attend the match at Carrow Road if;
o Within10 days prior to matchday, you or members of your household have suffered with any symptoms of coronavirus (current NHS guidance notes these symptoms as a high temperature, a new or continuous cough, loss or change to your sense of taste and/or smell).
o Within 10 days prior to matchday you have tested positive for coronavirus or you are awaiting test results.
o Prior to matchday, you are still within the 14 days self-isolation period after returning from abroad or have been contacted as part of the NHS ‘Track and Trace System’.
o Within 10 days of matchday you have been in contact with anyone with either confirmed or suspected coronavirus.
• Be aware that a non-invasive temperature check may be taken before entry and if the reading is above 37.8°C, you will not be permitted to enter the stadium and may be asked to attend the COVID isolation room.
• Please maintain good hand hygiene by frequently washing hands, using the sanitiser dispensers provided and avoid touching your face, and objects such as handles and handrails whenever possible.
• At ALL times and in ALL areas in and around the stadium, please observe social distancing and avoid close contact with others not in your social or support bubble.
• Arrive 11⁄2 hours before kick-off, ideally together in your social/support bubble to go through all the necessary entry procedures and security checks in a timely manner.
• Prior to attending the match please familiarise yourself with where your entry point is and check if an entry time is specified on your ticket, if this is the case please allow plenty of time.
• Please note that you may be required to wear a face covering and should bring one with you.
• Be aware NO cash or cheques will be accepted for purchases made at the stadium. We will accept all major debit or credit cards (excl American Express) plus various from of contactless payment including Apple pay and Google pay.
• Access to the amenities within the stadium such as toilets, food and drinks outlets, or concessions may have changed, so please plan accordingly.
• You are requested to remain in your allocated match day seat or viewing position, whenever possible.
• If you do need to leave your viewing position or matchday seat, please wait until the gangway is clear and
always follow the signs indicating which way to go.
• If you are in a seated area, when moving past other supporters please avoid face to face contact with other supporters.
• Avoid hugs, high-fives and any close contact with people who are not within your social or support bubble.
• If you are attending with other members of your social or support bubble, please make sure they have read and
understood this supporters code of conduct as well.

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A lot of that was on the cards, to be expected.

Some newer bits- plus some questions.

Alcohol. In view of the pitch or no? Am guessing the latter.

Masks/face coverings. Would they just be needed outside ie queueing to get in, in the concourse or at pretty much all times.

We know about potentially allocated and staggered entry times but what about exit?

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2 hours ago, phantom said:

Luton Town Football Club would like to clarify the situation with regards to the ‘return of fans’ pilot programme starting this weekend.

On Tuesday at around midday, having received an email from the EFL asking for clubs to volunteer to take part, we put ourselves forward. We responded within the hour because, like many clubs, we are desperate to have our supporters back inside Kenilworth Road.

To stage a game with supporters here would take a lot of preparation time, and unfortunately, despite asking again from very early this morning, we had heard nothing from the League until a few minutes before they issued their statement stating that we were one of the clubs taking part.

 

Sadly, this does not give us enough time to get ready so we are unable to host spectators here for the Derby match.

We understand that the EFL are beholden to DCMS, but to request clubs to offer and then not back up quickly, knowing there is such little time to prepare, is very disappointing and we are sorry to disappoint supporters who may have raised hopes of attending Saturday’s match.

We remain committed to working with the EFL, DCMS, SGSA and local authority to getting our wonderful supporters back inside the Kenny as soon as is safely possible.

TAKEN FROM: https://www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2020/september/pilot-programme-statement/

So they've put themselves forward, despite clearly not being in a position to do so. Wow. They've only had six months to plan for such a thing. I'd hope those at Ashton Gate have provisional plans to cater for a range of different number limits where plans could be implemented quickly.

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Bristol Bears send out a survey on email to fans about an hour ago to see who wanted to go to games, if they could, and would they sit anywhere and accept a15-20 minute time slot for arriving at AG etc

Will be interesting to see how this pans out given the seemingly unstoppable momentum towards a second wave. 

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2 hours ago, James54De said:

So they've put themselves forward, despite clearly not being in a position to do so. Wow. They've only had six months to plan for such a thing. I'd hope those at Ashton Gate have provisional plans to cater for a range of different number limits where plans could be implemented quickly.

Jon Lansdown initimated the club are ready when he spoke to 20man the other week.

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21 hours ago, James54De said:

So they've put themselves forward, despite clearly not being in a position to do so. Wow. They've only had six months to plan for such a thing. I'd hope those at Ashton Gate have provisional plans to cater for a range of different number limits where plans could be implemented quickly.

And another .....

We regret to announce that the proposed pilot event at the KCOM Stadium this coming Saturday will not take place with fans in attendance.

The original guidance was that up to 1,000 supporters would be able to attend Hull City’s home game against Crewe Alexandra, in fact, to manage risk, our intended number of invited fans was proposed to be around 600. 

Whilst the Club’s request to host a pilot event had been authorised by the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport and the Sports Grounds Safety Authority, final approval was required from Hull City Council and the local Safety Advisory Group. 

Unfortunately, due to the rising infection rate in Hull over the last two weeks, we have been unable to receive approval from Hull City Council Public Health. 

Naturally, whilst we are extremely disappointed that we will not be able to welcome supporters into the KCOM Stadium this Saturday, we will continue to work closely with all of the relevant bodies in a bid to welcome supporters back to the KCOM Stadium as soon as possible. 

In a joint statement, Julia Weldon, Director of Public Health at Hull City Council and Sam Henderson, Head of Stadium Operations at Stadium Management Company said:  

“In order for the proposed ‘return of fans’ pilot match to go ahead at the Hull City vs Crewe Alexandra game at the KCOM Stadium this Saturday, it was necessary to meet 10 public event assessment criteria, established by the Association of Directors of Public Health. 

“The first of these states that there can be no significant increase in the area’s coronavirus infection rate ahead of an event. Unfortunately, the rate in Hull currently stands at 15.3 infections per 100,000 people, up from 4.2 per 100,000 people last week. Consequently, on the grounds of public health and public safety, this pilot cannot go ahead and the game will have to be played without fans in attendance.  

“We appreciate this decision will be disappointing for many but, in the current circumstances, it is the safest and most appropriate decision and has been made in the best interests of our residents and our visitors.”
 
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