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Attendance from October/Fans Return (Merged)


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14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Not having a go at you Triple-T, but why does everyone always suggest it’s the PL that should bail out the EFL clubs?

Why not the EFL itself, or the FA, or the PFA?

I’m not up to date on money spent on transfers by every club, but Chelsea have spent an absolute fortune recently. It makes my blood boil that Chelsea and other Prem clubs are still spending fortunes, whilst teams further down the pyramid are really struggling. The Premier league is where all the cash is, they need to have a look at what they are doing, and the message they are sending out. 

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7 minutes ago, redordead1 said:

No offence, but it’s like you’re living in an alternative reality. What do you expect will happen to the test events?

Do you honestly think test events won't occur at some point?

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STATEMENT: LEICESTER TIGERS PILOT FIXTURE

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND 2020

Bristol Bears regret to confirm that, following government advice, the Gallagher Premiership fixture versus Leicester Tigers will now be played behind closed doors. 

The round 21 game had been allocated as a test event to pilot the safe return of 1,000 spectators, adhering to strict social distancing measures. 

The club apologises for any inconvenience caused to those who claimed a ticket in the ballot and we thank our supporters for your continued patience and backing as we work tirelessly to see the safe return of crowds to Ashton Gate in the future.

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29 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Not having a go at you Triple-T, but why does everyone always suggest it’s the PL that should bail out the EFL clubs?

Why not the EFL itself, or the FA, or the PFA?

I doubt the EFL / PFA have the money. I agree re the FA - they should step in but the PL is where the cash is. We are in unprecedented times - they should make a contribution to saving clubs going out of business - call it morality if you want

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1 hour ago, The Humble Realist said:

Because prem clubs are shelling out for bale , thiago, sancho, jota at the same time as the announcement today. 

Unfortunately it's a dog eat dog world so I wont hold my breath

 

Dark times ahead 

I’m not disagreeing, just asking why nobody points the finger at any other bodies for support.

37 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

I doubt the EFL / PFA have the money. I agree re the FA - they should step in but the PL is where the cash is. We are in unprecedented times - they should make a contribution to saving clubs going out of business - call it morality if you want

yes, agreed, PFA have about £5m....can’t find EFL money, but FA have circa £400m!

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6 hours ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

Also from today in North West area, semi pro and amateur sports aren’t allowed spectators.

I can see this causing unfairness across the levels. Teams vying for promotion/relegation into national leagues where half the teams have had crowds and income? Teams within the same league where some of them have income and others dont? Doesn't seem a fair scenario to me.

See Merthyr Town situation announced before this latest news. They've had to pull out of the league due to the latest restrictions in Wales meaning they were the only club at step 3 not allowed to play infront of their crowd.

 

 

6 hours ago, Chappers said:

I thought that for the first time, this Government might actually be sensible, and realise that restricted attendances at League One and below will be perfectly safe and manageable, and keep the clubs afloat. Championship may be a bit more difficult, but should be achievable, albeit with a low percentage.

I just find it odd that I can’t watch Bath City safely in a socially distanced manner, in a crowd of <1,000, but could drink from 7am to 10pm in a Wetherspoons.

I'd hardly call it "perfectly" safe and manageable. No system that relies on the compliance of the general public will be perfectly safe.

At a time when the government are telling people they are socialising too much you can't then go and have crowds back at sporting events. It's not just the game it's the whole culture, in the pub before and after, mixing with other groups around the ground, some will travel to away games and try and get in/get tickets.

Not sure of the comparison with Spoons, if you're sat in a pub you should be sat at a table with your group only and not mixing with anyone else?

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49 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

I can see this causing unfairness across the levels. Teams vying for promotion/relegation into national leagues where half the teams have had crowds and income? Teams within the same league where some of them have income and others dont? Doesn't seem a fair scenario to me.

See Merthyr Town situation announced before this latest news. They've had to pull out of the league due to the latest restrictions in Wales meaning they were the only club at step 3 not allowed to play infront of their crowd.

 

 

I'd hardly call it "perfectly" safe and manageable. No system that relies on the compliance of the general public will be perfectly safe.

At a time when the government are telling people they are socialising too much you can't then go and have crowds back at sporting events. It's not just the game it's the whole culture, in the pub before and after, mixing with other groups around the ground, some will travel to away games and try and get in/get tickets.

Not sure of the comparison with Spoons, if you're sat in a pub you should be sat at a table with your group only and not mixing with anyone else?

Think you’ve massively missed the point, you can’t have large crowds, but you have to look at L1, L2 and particularly, National League. There is absolutely no reason why you cannot have limited attendances at that level, a whole lot safer than sitting in a pub, no mask, and closer contact. And indoors where the virus spreads a lot more. 

Germany seems to manage well. 

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8 minutes ago, Chappers said:

Think you’ve massively missed the point, you can’t have large crowds, but you have to look at L1, L2 and particularly, National League. There is absolutely no reason why you cannot have limited attendances at that level, a whole lot safer than sitting in a pub, no mask, and closer contact. And indoors where the virus spreads a lot more. 

Germany seems to manage well. 

Germany probably have a testing system that works.

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1 minute ago, Super said:

Germany probably have a testing system that works.

I think what really annoyed me was Gove, stating that he had seen Arsenal fans, so knew all about football. The break point should be questioned, what level can be played safely, what crowd limit balances business v risk, what does the science say, could it be done with ST holders only? Actually try and make it happen, safely.

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4 hours ago, elhombrecito said:

STATEMENT: LEICESTER TIGERS PILOT FIXTURE

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND 2020

Bristol Bears regret to confirm that, following government advice, the Gallagher Premiership fixture versus Leicester Tigers will now be played behind closed doors. 

The round 21 game had been allocated as a test event to pilot the safe return of 1,000 spectators, adhering to strict social distancing measures. 

The club apologises for any inconvenience caused to those who claimed a ticket in the ballot and we thank our supporters for your continued patience and backing as we work tirelessly to see the safe return of crowds to Ashton Gate in the future.

And some say our owner favours egg chasers, now it turns out that a Johnson is in charge and has it in for us all! No favouritism at all! 

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11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Seems may not now be able to attend until end of March.

Would make sense given the claims of up to 6 months of these measures.

This doesn’t surprise me given what’s going on in terms of the rise in cases nationally. By then we might have a vaccine, but there is the possibility that we could go a whole season without spectators. It also throws into doubt lots of events that have been postponed by a year in the hope of getting spectators or an audience.

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4 hours ago, Chappers said:

Think you’ve massively missed the point, you can’t have large crowds, but you have to look at L1, L2 and particularly, National League. There is absolutely no reason why you cannot have limited attendances at that level, a whole lot safer than sitting in a pub, no mask, and closer contact. And indoors where the virus spreads a lot more. 

Germany seems to manage well. 

I haven’t missed the point and I’ve noted reasons why, so it’s incorrect to say there is “absolute no” reason just because you don’t agree with them.

We’re tightening up on restrictions, it would completely go against the message to start letting hundreds or even thousands of people into sporting events.

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46 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

I haven’t missed the point and I’ve noted reasons why, so it’s incorrect to say there is “absolute no” reason just because you don’t agree with them.

We’re tightening up on restrictions, it would completely go against the message to start letting hundreds or even thousands of people into sporting events.

I’ve just lost the point of your argument, how it relates to small attendances at a fairly low level (Saving clubs), and why that’s so wrong when more risky activities are permitted. The science I read suggests that virus infection outdoors is low risk, and social distancing at Twerton Park is hardly difficult.

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I was at Taunton v Wantage tonight in the fa cup, a crowd of 353, ( they are allowed a maximum of 600) no issues at all, people social distancing and plenty of stewards policing this.

As long as people are sensible, I really can’t see why grounds cannot be open for fans at all levels with 20% of the capacity allowed to watch. 

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11 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

I was at Taunton v Wantage tonight in the fa cup, a crowd of 353, ( they are allowed a maximum of 600) no issues at all, people social distancing and plenty of stewards policing this.

As long as people are sensible, I really can’t see why grounds cannot be open for fans at all levels with 20% of the capacity allowed to watch. 

I was at Welton v Sherborne, crowd of approx 150. Easy to see how the virus could spread in this environment unfortunately. 

Interesting the one thing you haven't mentioned is whether temperatures were being checked on entry and details taken of every spectator I.e. test and trace? 

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4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I was at Welton v Sherborne, crowd of approx 150. Easy to see how the virus could spread in this environment unfortunately. 

Interesting the one thing you haven't mentioned is whether temperatures were being checked on entry and details taken of every spectator I.e. test and trace? 

Temperatures weren’t being taken tonight, which surprised me, as this has happened at other games I have gone to.

Every game I have watched so far this season ( approx 8 ) have done track and trace. 

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14 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

I was at Taunton v Wantage tonight in the fa cup, a crowd of 353, ( they are allowed a maximum of 600) no issues at all, people social distancing and plenty of stewards policing this.

As long as people are sensible, I really can’t see why grounds cannot be open for fans at all levels with 20% of the capacity allowed to watch. 

It’s fairly easy to spread 353 people around a football pitch, with groups staying at least 2 metres apart, especially if there are no stands and seats to deal with. You could spread 1000 people easily around Ashton Gate, if everyone acted appropriately and all 4 stands were used. The problem is not in the ground itself which is outside, so less risky. It’s getting people to and from, not congregating indoors un the concourses as they enter and leave.

However in the current circumstances, the big issue is that it cuts against everything else that we are being required to do, which is really to stop mixing with each other, because as long as there are potentially infectious asymptomatic people meeting other people, the risk of spreading rapidly remains high.

The bottom line is that unlike Germany, Italy and even Greece, we have never managed to get testing sorted in this country and that’s why we are where are now. Instead of investing in and building on what we had in hospitals, universities and in local authority public health departments, this Tory government outsourced it to Serco, a company renowned for its high profile public contract failures, in which they get the money but we don’t get the service. NHS Test and Trace is a lie because it’s not NHS, it’s a private company making a big profit and failing us in the process. Just because you stick an NHS label on it doesn’t make it so.

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14 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

I was at Taunton v Wantage tonight in the fa cup, a crowd of 353, ( they are allowed a maximum of 600) no issues at all, people social distancing and plenty of stewards policing this.

As long as people are sensible, I really can’t see why grounds cannot be open for fans at all levels with 20% of the capacity allowed to watch. 

I went as well, clearly works in smaller crowds. The logic of stopping something like that but saying it's ok to sit in the pub for 12 hours getting shitfaced is beyond me.

Were talking about something that reached 4k+ new cases and killed 11 people yesterday and were impinging on people's freedom because of that, since when has the ends of saving everyone justified the means of taking away people's freedom's. Have I completely missed the point? I think the government need to explain this a lot better. 

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1 minute ago, Pezo said:

I went as well, clearly works in smaller crowds. The logic of stopping something like that but saying it's ok to sit in the pub for 12 hours getting shitfaced is beyond me.

Were talking about something that reached 4k+ new cases and killed 11 people yesterday and were impinging on people's freedom because of that, since when has the ends of saving everyone justified the means of taking away people's freedom's. Have I completely missed the point? I think the government need to explain this a lot better. 

We are not where we were in March as it’s 4000 testing positive in the community and in hospital, compared to 5000 just in hospital. However the testing is an underestimate of all the cases, because a significant proportion have minimal symptoms, so may not realise they are infected. However as positive cases rise, hospital admissions have started going up again pretty quickly (in the Rhondda they went from 2 positive in hospital and none in intensive care to 35 cases and 4 in intensive care in 2 days last week!) followed ultimately by deaths. And many in the NHS are worried that combined with a usual winter surge, the addition of even a smaller wave than we had in March and April will completely overwhelm the hospital system. That’s why there are new restrictions.

If we had brought some of this in at the end of February, we might not have needed the full lockdown for so long and may also have saved many thousands of lives. In the South West, we were just fortunate that the original lockdown came in when the prevalence was low at around 1% of the population infected at that time, and it never got much higher. In London it was around 5% and quickly it peaked close to 10%, which is why things were so bad there. And even then, the fact that we got off relatively lightly by comparison, still doesn’t make up for those who have lost loved ones to this disease, including some of our own supporters and ST holders.

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43 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

It’s fairly easy to spread 353 people around a football pitch, with groups staying at least 2 metres apart, especially if there are no stands and seats to deal with. You could spread 1000 people easily around Ashton Gate, if everyone acted appropriately and all 4 stands were used. The problem is not in the ground itself which is outside, so less risky. It’s getting people to and from, not congregating indoors un the concourses as they enter and leave.

However in the current circumstances, the big issue is that it cuts against everything else that we are being required to do, which is really to stop mixing with each other, because as long as there are potentially infectious asymptomatic people meeting other people, the risk of spreading rapidly remains high.

The bottom line is that unlike Germany, Italy and even Greece, we have never managed to get testing sorted in this country and that’s why we are where are now. Instead of investing in and building on what we had in hospitals, universities and in local authority public health departments, this Tory government outsourced it to Serco, a company renowned for its high profile public contract failures, in which they get the money but we don’t get the service. NHS Test and Trace is a lie because it’s not NHS, it’s a private company making a big profit and failing us in the process. Just because you stick an NHS label on it doesn’t make it so.

You couldn’t make it up could you. This government is full of mixed messages. An open air 27,000 capacity stadium is not safe with say a 20% crowd but a pub after being open for 10hrs with no obvious ventilation is??

I get the travel thing and crowd control before and after but there are ways of managing that in a controlled way to minimise transmission. 

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