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3 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Strongly suspect you’re right,  

If it really is this difficult to find someone to take on our project, maybe we need to start to question whether it’s the project itself that’s at fault and needs changing.

If the basic plan is sound and has been proved to work at City and other clubs, then why change it? The new man may not last and the club needs to be kept stable.

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3 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

If you had seen all the evidence and listened to the discussions and interviews, you would have to come to a decision. If Deano was the best agreed choice, would you still be opposed?

It's Deano for me, mate. He fits the criteria you laid out, he's mad for it, he's got a song oven-ready, forget sexy-football, we want dexy's football - Deano! Deano! 

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Just now, Moments of Pleasure said:

It's Deano for me, mate. He fits the criteria you laid out, he's mad for it, he's got a song oven-ready, forget sexy-football, we want dexy's football - Deano! Deano! 

You may be right and I bow to your undented enthusiasm!

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21 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

Mark Ashton is a very experienced football executive and has steered our transfer policy pretty well over recent years. The point of having a head coach is that he is part of a team and will collude with Mr Ashton and the scouting network to identify and sign players that will fit well within our club.  Managers or head coaches tend to come and go, but Mark Ashton represents continuity. Together with the rest of the board, they will have identified exactly what they want and are setting about doing the right deal.  We have no idea of the complications involved so we just have to stay cool and wait.  There is absolutely no point in ripping up all our successful professional infrastructure just to let a new chap put all of his people in place because if he leaves after a year we are back to square one.

Ashton's a good football administrator and I respect the work he's done in maximising fees on player sales. That said, I've heard he signed Palmer after LJ had landed his target (Szmodics) and that in my opinion should not happen, hence why he should let the head coach/manager identify the players they want to bring to the football club, not the other way around. I also think Ashton will be off as soon as a job at the Football League comes calling. It's clear that's his goal. 

Look back on my post, I did not advocate ripping it up and starting again. I recommended minor tweaks that, IMO, would improve the running of the football club. 

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5 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

If the basic plan is sound and has been proved to work at City and other clubs, then why change it? The new man may not last and the club needs to be kept stable.

.... so have we proved it’s sound and worked for us?   Not convinced that that we have

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1 minute ago, tin said:

Ashton's a good football administrator and I respect the work he's done in maximising fees on player sales. That said, I've heard he signed Palmer after LJ had landed his target (Szmodics) and that in my opinion should not happen, hence why he should let the head coach/manager identify the players they want to bring to the football club, not the other way around. I also think Ashton will be off as soon as a job at the Football League comes calling. It's clear that's his goal. 

Look back on my post, I did not advocate ripping it up and starting again. I recommended minor tweaks that, IMO, would improve the running of the football club. 

We will never know the ins and outs of various transfers - all we will get are rumours and things that people make up to start those rumours. Mr Ashton has been here for around 5 years and provided excellent leadership. I doubt if he would be paid more by the FL but who knows what will happen in future?

One man may call sacking the coaching staff and scouts as a minor change. I hope that change is kept to a minimum because it does not seem to be that broken that it needs fixing.

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4 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

.... so have we proved it’s sound and worked for us?   Not convinced that that we have

Year on year progress for several years until the latest hiatus. We all need to keep cool and keep the faith - faith in the board that they will always try and do their very best for our football club.

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11 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

It's Deano for me, mate. He fits the criteria you laid out, he's mad for it, he's got a song oven-ready, forget sexy-football, we want dexy's football - Deano! Deano! 

Holden Slumbers fill your eyes...

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6 minutes ago, tin said:

Ashton's a good football administrator and I respect the work he's done in maximising fees on player sales. That said, I've heard he signed Palmer after LJ had landed his target (Szmodics) and that in my opinion should not happen, hence why he should let the head coach/manager identify the players they want to bring to the football club, not the other way around. I also think Ashton will be off as soon as a job at the Football League comes calling. It's clear that's his goal. 

Look back on my post, I did not advocate ripping it up and starting again. I recommended minor tweaks that, IMO, would improve the running of the football club. 

But LJ did not play either Palmer or Szmodics !!!!!!!!!

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1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said:

Year on year progress for several years until the latest hiatus. We all need to keep cool and keep the faith - faith in the board that they will always try and do their very best for our football club.

Sorry, but we’re polar opposites on this one I’m afraid.

Gaining around half a dozen league places during four and a half years of largely dross football and a hit and miss transfer policy really doesn’t shout success to me, so we’ll have to agree to differ on this one I think.

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7 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

Year on year progress for several years until the latest hiatus. We all need to keep cool and keep the faith - faith in the board that they will always try and do their very best for our football club.

I could try my very best for the club doesn't mean I would be any good. 

Nothing against the policy to buy young players and look to sell them on but that can't be your only plan or think we will end up back in league one. 

We need to identify what type of footballing side we want to be as well and get players and managers who fit that. 

The fact we have so many different type of candidates on the shortlist I think highlights that the board have no idea what they want and the length of time is taking supports that. 

If we appoint Holden with this fairly inexperienced club and lose Elliasson and Fam I honestly think we will be in a relegation battle. 

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Just now, BrizzleRed said:

Sorry, but we’re polar opposites on this one I’m afraid.

Gaining around half a dozen league places during four and a half years of largely dross football and a hit and miss transfer policy really doesn’t shout success to me, so we’ll have to agree to differ on this one I think.

Its OK to disagree. I just think back to a few years ago when we kept changing manager and ended up with a squad that was out of kilter with what we needed. We will just have to be patient and see how it all unfolds. Its not as if we have any say in the matter - and if we did it would be the least informed.

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2 minutes ago, MATT BCFC said:

I could try my very best for the club doesn't mean I would be any good. 

Nothing against the policy to buy young players and look to sell them on but that can't be your only plan or think we will end up back in league one. 

We need to identify what type of footballing side we want to be as well and get players and managers who fit that. 

The fact we have so many different type of candidates on the shortlist I think highlights that the board have no idea what they want and the length of time is taking supports that. 

If we appoint Holden with this fairly inexperienced club and lose Elliasson and Fam I honestly think we will be in a relegation battle. 

You may well be right but none of us know what is going on behind the closed door of the boardroom. They may have selected a candidate but are having problems with the contract or from their previous club. Hopefully we will find out very soon and we can get on with supporting the new guy - whoever he is!

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57 minutes ago, Eddie Notgetinya said:

Post saying today that the second round of interviews is expected to kick off imminently - I was hoping today was the day, looks like we could be waiting until next week 

If that is the case then truly the Board have let the club and supporters down. If we have the second and then possibly a final interview it could  be another 2 weeks. Truly shameful management.

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19 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

If the basic plan is sound and has been proved to work at City and other clubs, then why change it? The new man may not last and the club needs to be kept stable.

Just a suggestion as this crap has been going on now for 3 or 4 weeks. Many of us have posted on who is going to get the job. Me included. We must be the laughing stock of any outsiders reading this great forum from out side. Why cant we contain all this crap and see what eventuates from the club in the next few days.

The aspirations of some of us on OTIB has to be let down by idiots posting who the next manager is going to be. 

Lets face it do not pretend and post crap.

let us give a break for a few days and see what eventuates on news at BS3,

COYR 

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4 minutes ago, City oz said:

Just a suggestion as this crap has been going on now for 3 or 4 weeks. Many of us have posted on who is going to get the job. Me included. We must be the laughing stock of any outsiders reading this great forum from out side. Why cant we contain all this crap and see what eventuates from the club in the next few days.

The aspirations of some of us on OTIB has to be let down by idiots posting who the next manager is going to be. 

Lets face it do not pretend and post crap.

let us give a break for a few days and see what eventuates on news at BS3,

COYR 

Well written by the guy who is in the best place on earth to chill out and sink a cold one!  I wish we could come over and wait with you!!

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11 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

Its OK to disagree. I just think back to a few years ago when we kept changing manager and ended up with a squad that was out of kilter with what we needed. We will just have to be patient and see how it all unfolds. Its not as if we have any say in the matter - and if we did it would be the least informed.

But the point is, our squad is ‘out of kilter’ now and we’ve had the same head coach for four and a half years and the management team even longer!

This structure we have is going to put some very good applicants off and I wonder how many people have considered what would happen if Mark Ashton suddenly decided to bugger off.  

He’s now in such a position of power and influence in all areas of the club, this new head coach recruitment fiasco could look like a walk in the park in comparison with having to go out and recruit a replacement for Mark Ashton.

Putting all our eggs in one basket is phrase I’d use for this current structure and I think we could be setting ourselves up for a big fall in the future.

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Just now, Bat Fastard said:

Well written by the guy who is in the best place on earth to chill out and sink a cold one!  I wish we could come over and wait with you!!

You are welcome at any time. Any city support visiting Oz and close to my patch is always welcome to share a few beers over a bbq 

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26 minutes ago, tin said:

Ashton's a good football administrator and I respect the work he's done in maximising fees on player sales. That said, I've heard he signed Palmer after LJ had landed his target (Szmodics) and that in my opinion should not happen, hence why he should let the head coach/manager identify the players they want to bring to the football club, not the other way around. I also think Ashton will be off as soon as a job at the Football League comes calling. It's clear that's his goal. 

Look back on my post, I did not advocate ripping it up and starting again. I recommended minor tweaks that, IMO, would improve the running of the football club. 

Not disputing what you state, but I heard Palmer was an LJ signing...hence why he then had to move on Pato.  Perhaps Ashton told 3 sand wedges was 1 too many.  But then....⬇️⬇️⬇️

17 minutes ago, davidoldfart said:

But LJ did not play either Palmer or Szmodics !!!!!!!!!

☹️☹️☹️ bizarre really.

13 minutes ago, MATT BCFC said:

I could try my very best for the club doesn't mean I would be any good. 

Nothing against the policy to buy young players and look to sell them on but that can't be your only plan or think we will end up back in league one. 

We need to identify what type of footballing side we want to be as well and get players and managers who fit that. 

The fact we have so many different type of candidates on the shortlist I think highlights that the board have no idea what they want and the length of time is taking supports that. 

If we appoint Holden with this fairly inexperienced club and lose Elliasson and Fam I honestly think we will be in a relegation battle. 

I think Eliasson and Diedhiou are gone, whoever we appoint.  Hope I’m wrong.  I was hoping new manager would have a plan for both, and they would extend their contracts, but it looks very unlikely.

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3 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

But the point is, our squad is ‘out of kilter’ now and we’ve had the same head coach for four and a half years and the management team even longer!

This structure we have is going to put some very good applicants off and I wonder how many people have considered what would happen if Mark Ashton suddenly decided to bugger off.  

He’s now in such a position of power and influence in all areas of the club, this new head coach recruitment fiasco could look like a walk in the park in comparison with having to go out and recruit a replacement for Mark Ashton.

Putting all our eggs in one basket is phrase I’d use for this current structure and I think we could be setting ourselves up for a big fall in the future.

There will be departures and there will be new arrivals - only then will we know if the squad is right or not. I guess that the spadework has already been done by the scouting network and the final choice will be as the result of discussions with the new head coach.

It is always interesting to hear other managers talk about our club and how many who say that we are very well run and a "proper football club.  I think that we are pretty good and have good people making the decisions.  We just need to keep the faith.

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7 minutes ago, City oz said:

You are welcome at any time. Any city support visiting Oz and close to my patch is always welcome to share a few beers over a bbq 

A wonderful and very kind offer. Us fans are now clubbing together to charter a jumbo jet and we hope to with you next week to celebrate our new head coach!  Top man!!

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3 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

A wonderful and very kind offer. Us fans are now clubbing together to charter a jumbo jet and we hope to with you next week to celebrate our new head coach!  Top man!!

Lets book it in. Can’t wait. Lets me know the numbers so i can organise enough snags and bread rolls. I did plan to get some more LPG for the BBQ from Bunnings tomorrow any way. 

On my days off i usually start with a few tinnies around 10.00am then have a few nibbles and then progress to the red wine.

The BBQ is then fired up early arvo and then me and my mates then argue who is in control. We then put my Sonos on and listen to pommie radio stations. 

I can accomodate up to about 30 sleeping on my deck  with swags.

Next morning we can fish off of the beach and drink more tinnies 

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18 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

There will be departures and there will be new arrivals - only then will we know if the squad is right or not. I guess that the spadework has already been done by the scouting network and the final choice will be as the result of discussions with the new head coach.

It is always interesting to hear other managers talk about our club and how many who say that we are very well run and a "proper football club.  I think that we are pretty good and have good people making the decisions.  We just need to keep the faith.

You say other managers talk about how well run this. club is, but that view doesn’t appear to convince our HC targets that this is the club for them.

Time will tell if we’re going the right way BF, but you’ve clearly got far more confidence than I have that this club has the right people in place to finally start to realise some of it’s undoubted potential.

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8 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

You say other managers talk about how well run this. club is, but that view doesn’t appear to convince our HC targets that this is the club for them.

Time will tell if we’re going the right way BF, but you’ve clearly got far more confidence than I have that this club has the right people in place to finally start to realise some of it’s undoubted potential.

We have come a long way in the last 5 years or so. New stadium, training ground, investment into the academy and much more. The new chap will have to fit is as well as adding his particular contribution to our evolution.  Yes I have faith because I believe we have good people on the board. We cannot know what is happening and so we get frustrated and our guesswork becomes more solid as our suspicions grow.  We know nowt and have to await developments.

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1 hour ago, BrizzleRed said:

.... so have we proved it’s sound and worked for us?   Not convinced that that we have

I agree.

Off the field and on the field may be wide apart. For me it’s not working on the field.

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