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12 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

We have come a long way in the last 5 years or so. New stadium, training ground, investment into the academy and much more. The new chap will have to fit is as well as adding his particular contribution to our evolution.  Yes I have faith because I believe we have good people on the board. We cannot know what is happening and so we get frustrated and our guesswork becomes more solid as our suspicions grow.  We know nowt and have to await developments.

All this and when it comes to match day we can hardly string two passes together.

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That Bristol Post City headline caught me out :- ‘Alex Neil installed as new ...... favourite’

They know what they are doing there as the mind reads it in advance as ‘ installed as new ...manager’.

Don’t  mind too much who gets the job as long as they play pleasing on the eye attacking football. Team style often reflects a manager or head coach’s personality. 

Just don’t want to see another set up to contain the opposition ‘identity’ imposes or a miserable SO’D. I fear Alex Neil is a touch dour at best.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

Its a work in progress!!

Get success on the pitch, the rest will follow.

We’re going about it the wrong way around and it’s NOT working.

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Gus was talking about getting back into management, but can't find the right club. Has a good history of assistant manager and manager in this country and abroad. Could he be the secret one up MA sleeve?

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Every time I open OTIB to see if there is any news I have to start the ritual by holding my phone, closing my eyes and chanting:

"please not Dean Holden" 

"please not Dean Holden" 

"please not Dean Holden" 

Seems to be working so far. 

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4 minutes ago, QuedgeRed said:

Get success on the pitch, the rest will follow.

We’re going about it the wrong way around and it’s NOT working.

Its a bit like painting the Forth road bridge, as soon as you get to the end you have to start again.  This reminds me of taking kids on holiday and when we have only gone a short distance they kept on saying " are we there yet?"  No, we are not there yet.

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19 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

We have come a long way in the last 5 years or so. New stadium, training ground, investment into the academy and much more. The new chap will have to fit is as well as adding his particular contribution to our evolution.  Yes I have faith because I believe we have good people on the board. We cannot know what is happening and so we get frustrated and our guesswork becomes more solid as our suspicions grow.  We know nowt and have to await developments.

I’m certainly not denying the great strides we’ve maken with the stadium and academy and player sales.

I’ve just got real concerns that our management strategy is going to drive away many people who could take this club forward.  

I also think that, as we have a finite budget, our policy of recruiting a number of players, who don’t fit our style and appear to be soley with an eye to resale is seriously flawed and wasting valuable resources.  We’ve now got a bloated squad and what chance is there of getting a decent return on ones for the future if we can’t play them.  

If they go out on loan in the lower leagues, we’d be lucky if we could recoup our original outlay if we were to end up selling to the loan club.  With the prices we’ve paid for some of these, Engvall for instance, these aren’t a cheap punts with little to lose.

If we had established a distinct playing style and we recruited players to specifically suit our requirements then fine.  They could get plenty of game time, which would benefit us and also up their re-sale value, through playing at Championship level.  

Sadly at present we look a mess on the field, absolutely no clear gameplan or identity,  giving the appearance of a team full of misfits and much of that has to be down to recruitment

I really fail to see how that policy is going to take us where we want to go and the blame for that falls squarely on the board and owner imho, so again, I don’t share your faith in the board.

I sincerely hope your right though!

 

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2 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

I’m certainly not denying the great strides we’ve maken with the stadium and academy and player sales.

I’ve just got real concerns that our management strategy is going to drive away many people who could take this club forward.  

I also think that, as we have a finite budget, our policy of recruiting a number of players, who don’t fit our style and appear to be soley with an eye to resale is seriously flawed and wasting valuable resources.  We’ve now got a bloated squad and what chance is there of getting a decent return on ones for the future if we can’t play them.  

If they go out on loan in the lower leagues, we’d be lucky if we could recoup our original outlay if we were to end up selling to the loan club.  With the prices we’ve paid for some of these, Engvall for instance, these aren’t a cheap punts with little to lose.

If we had established a distinct playing style and we recruited players to specifically suit our requirements then fine.  They could get plenty of game time, which would benefit us and also up their re-sale value, through playing at Championship level.  

Sadly at present we look a mess on the field, absolutely no clear gameplan or identity,  giving the appearance of a team full of misfits and much of that has to be down to recruitment

I really fail to see how that policy is going to take us where we want to go and the blame for that falls squarely on the board and owner imho, so again, I don’t share your faith in the board.

I sincerely hope your right though!

 

Maybe the kind of people who will be driven away will be the wrong kind of people for the project.  No decision by any board will be 100% right, but they have a plan and are trying to fit the bits of the jigsaw together.  Young players do not always work out, but when they do it can be like striking gold. Developing our own players must always be favourite because we will have known them from childhood - their strengths and weaknesses, and had the time to get the best out of them.  We also have no bloody choice than to leave it to the board because we know diddlysquat!  We are not there yet - but we will be soon.

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13 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

Its a bit like painting the Forth road bridge, as soon as you get to the end you have to start again.  This reminds me of taking kids on holiday and when we have only gone a short distance they kept on saying " are we there yet?"  No, we are not there yet.

I wouldn’t consider 5 years already “a Short distance”

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8 minutes ago, QuedgeRed said:

I wouldn’t consider 5 years already “a Short distance”

Look back and see what the club was like 5 years ago.  We have made astounding progress off the pitch and stabilised on the pitch.  We will move forward again over the next two or three years. Remember we are competing against teams with huge parachute payments and squads consisting of players with PL experience.  It will always be hard to make any progress - but the board with know that.

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1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said:

Look back and see what the club was like 5 years ago.  We have made astounding progress off the pitch and stabilised on the pitch.  We will move forward again over the next two or three years. Remember we are competing against teams with huge parachute payments and squads consisting of players with PL experience.  It will always be hard to make any progress - but the board with know that.

Stabilised? 
Stagnant or going backwards is the way I would describe it on field.

Great football at the start of LJ’s tenure, but as I’ve said before, we can hardly string two passes together! That’s not at all acceptable for the standard we’re at or the amount we are paying the playing and management staff.

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7 minutes ago, QuedgeRed said:

Stabilised? 
Stagnant or going backwards is the way I would describe it on field.

Great football at the start of LJ’s tenure, but as I’ve said before, we can hardly string two passes together! That’s not at all acceptable for the standard we’re at or the amount we are paying the playing and management staff.

We are competing in a very difficult league - the new chap will speak to Mr Ashton and they will agree who comes and who goes - then we will have to wait for the new season to see how it all pans out and if our key players stay free of injury. It a bit like fishing. If you were guaranteed to catch fish it would be called catching.  We need to be patient and have a bit of luck.

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37 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

Maybe the kind of people who will be driven away will be the wrong kind of people for the project.  No decision by any board will be 100% right, but they have a plan and are trying to fit the bits of the jigsaw together.  Young players do not always work out, but when they do it can be like striking gold. Developing our own players must always be favourite because we will have known them from childhood - their strengths and weaknesses, and had the time to get the best out of them.  We also have no bloody choice than to leave it to the board because we know diddlysquat!  We are not there yet - but we will be soon.

Exactly!  

The difficulty is, what happens if the management aspect of the project is flawed and we then bring in a new head coach who will fit that?  Will that make them the right person for the wrong project?

I’ve got a real difficulty when it appears anything that goes on in this club has to be at the approval of Mark Ashton and yet, although he’s done what appears to be an amazing job on transfer fees he’s negotiated for the club, it’s not obvious where else he’s excelled to justify his lofty position as CEO.  

Head of recruitment could certainly be justified, but not sure that the best interests of Bristol City FC and Mark Ashton are necessarilly running in parallel in all other areas.

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It's a big what if, I know. But, what if Chris Hughton had been employed as new manager of BCFC within a week of L J's departure but, behind the scenes he's been working with M A on transfer targets to have the squad required for the start of the season, after watching the final games and seeing the squad in training. All the other stuff about Gerrad, Neil, and anyone else being a target/interviewed has been a very clever smokescreen. Would that be the way Carling appointed managers?

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1 minute ago, BrizzleRed said:

Exactly!  

The difficulty is, what happens if the management aspect of the project is flawed and we then bring in a new head coach who will fit that?  Will that make them the right person for the wrong project?

I’ve got a real difficulty when it appears anything that goes on in this club has to be at the approval of Mark Ashton and yet, although he’s done what appears to be an amazing job on transfer fees he’s negotiated for the club, it’s not obvious where else he’s excelled to justify his lofty position as CEO.  

Head of recruitment could certainly be justified, but not sure that the best interests of Bristol City FC and Mark Ashton are necessarilly running in parallel in all other areas.

Running the club is a complex process and the football on the pitch is only part of it.  We have now built a strong coaching team and seem to be well staffed. The new chap will obviously have discussions and debates with board members and they will have to decide if further changes should be considered.  Last season may have turned out very differently if Benik and Tomas had not been injured and we could have had a functioning midfield.  These things will ebb and flow and a degree of luck is involved. Mr Ashto seems to be a very effective CEO and I guess that is why he is trusted by Steve Lansdown.  If he has faith, then so do I.

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8 minutes ago, Rich said:

It's a big what if, I know. But, what if Chris Hughton had been employed as new manager of BCFC within a week of L J's departure but, behind the scenes he's been working with M A on transfer targets to have the squad required for the start of the season, after watching the final games and seeing the squad in training. All the other stuff about Gerrad, Neil, and anyone else being a target/interviewed has been a very clever smokescreen. Would that be the way Carling appointed managers?

A very big, 'What if?', indeed.

More like a WTF?

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Mark Ashton is Steve Lansdown's insurance policy. 

It means any new man coming in, isn't given the keys to the bank account and will be unable to go and buy whomever he wants. I have no problem with that. 

As a fan base do we want journey man players looking for a final payday on a contract that is at least 1 year 2 long. 

No, we want home grown talent. We need a group at the club that identify young hungry players, that have the right DNA, that are coachable, used in the first team and sold as a profit. It's working. It's not 100%. This is the model any new manager/coach who comes in needs to bolt onto and run with it. 

If the candidate is unwilling then he won't be appointment. 

We have a very decent squad. It's clear at the end LJ lost his way with the group. This team of players got us close. I think they were good enough. 

Who ever comes in has a tremendous platform in which to grow this club. It I takes 5 weeks and they bring in the right man.... Who could complain.......

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Nigel Adkins is all I will say. No interest in stirring the pot and I’ve never previously had any inside info on the club.

However, whether you are interested or not, I’m 95%+ certain he’s been interviewed from as good as a source you could ask for. Strong interview too. Cant/won’t say no more (probably already have said too much).

Not far at all from the appointment now.  

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My last post was moved and so some people might not have heard that Gus Poyet speaking on talk radio today said he was very keen to get back into the coaching with the right club, but that was finding it to be a problem with here in the UK and overseas. He has a good background in assistant manager and manager in the UK and overseas. Is he one of the others that have been interviewed ? I would prefer him to some of the names that have been floated around here and a the media. 

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1 hour ago, Bat Fastard said:

Running the club is a complex process and the football on the pitch is only part of it.  We have now built a strong coaching team and seem to be well staffed. The new chap will obviously have discussions and debates with board members and they will have to decide if further changes should be considered.  Last season may have turned out very differently if Benik and Tomas had not been injured and we could have had a functioning midfield.  These things will ebb and flow and a degree of luck is involved. Mr Ashto seems to be a very effective CEO and I guess that is why he is trusted by Steve Lansdown.  If he has faith, then so do I.

Interesting how views can vary so much.

Hopefully the board and our new head coach applicants aren’t as far apart as you and I clearly are, otherwise we may never get the post filled!!! 😉😁

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1 minute ago, BrizzleRed said:

Interesting how views can vary so much.

Hopefully the board and our new head coach applicants aren’t as far apart as you and I clearly are, otherwise we may never get the post filled!!! 😉😁

Don't worry BR your time of pain and doubt is almost at an end - then we can all get back to normal and start bitching about other stuff!

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