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31 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

I have no idea either.

Only familiar with our setup/board.

I only ask because I see people saying that our problem is we don’t have football people making the decisions.

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3 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

 

May I ask a question? it’s a genuine one because I have no idea myself, but who are the people with a football pedigree on the boards, or in the financial set up of the clubs you feel are doing thing’s right?

I am not really asking about the top 5 or 6 as you would suppose their name alone would get them good candidates, but Wolves, Sheff Utd, Burnley, those sort of clubs maybe? 

I'm reluctant to answer what you say is a genuine question until we find out who BCFC appoint. I'm sure you will understand, especially when I look back at the comments you have already made about my views. When the appointment has been made we can then see which of us is closest in diagnosing what is happening at our Club.

But I will say How do things improve in any sphere? By people realising that someone has an edge and then finding out who they are and how they did it? eg. It should be the job of the people at Ashton Gate to do just this in football terms. Rather in the way that Steve Lansdown must have built up his business to become the UKs leading savings and investment platform.

I imagine his success included appointing the very best staff. I would hope he would see the benefit of applying this principle to running our football Club.

Do you believe he has got the very best people working for him at Ashton Gate?

 

 

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5 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

 

May I ask a question? it’s a genuine one because I have no idea myself, but who are the people with a football pedigree on the boards, or in the financial set up of the clubs you feel are doing thing’s right?

I am not really asking about the top 5 or 6 as you would suppose their name alone would get them good candidates, but Wolves, Sheff Utd, Burnley, those sort of clubs maybe? 

Just to give an example of Wigan, maybe not a great example given their current plight, but....

Director: Joe Royle, yes Big Joe himself 

Head of Recruitment: Chris Brass, journeyman footballer, who was once the youngest manager in the League at 27 with York City

So two football men.

Burnley - no directors as football men, but Martin Hodge, ex-Wednesday keeper is head of recruitment.

Sheff Utd - head of recruitment - Paul Mitchell - was appointed to head up the Blades restructured recruitment department by Wilder. Formerly a manager on the local non-league circuit, Mitchell previously worked under Paul Cook at Chesterfield and Portsmouth

 

 

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6 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Just to give an example of Wigan, maybe not a great example given their current plight, but....

Director: Joe Royle, yes Big Joe himself 

Head of Recruitment: Chris Brass, journeyman footballer, who was once the youngest manager in the League at 27 with York City

So two football men.

Burnley - no directors as football men, but Martin Hodge, ex-Wednesday keeper is head of recruitment.

Sheff Utd - head of recruitment - Paul Mitchell - was appointed to head up the Blades restructured recruitment department by Wilder. Formerly a manager on the local non-league circuit, Mitchell previously worked under Paul Cook at Chesterfield and Portsmouth

Thank you Dave. So at Wigan it hasn’t made much difference having a top footballer on their board. As with the other examples you have given, they are probably less experienced than say Holden or Jamie Mac, which makes me think they would be receiving similar criticism to that of the current board if they were here making tough decisions, such as the one we are going through now.

The only example I can think of personally where the club is basically run by “football people” is Salford, that seems to be going well, but a lot of their success could be down to the money at that level.

The reasonI asked the question is that I don’t believe it makes much difference. I am sure we have all worked at places where the Managers have been promoted from within, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. It’s the idea that someone who is good at doing a certain role, will inevitably have the skills for another role that seems related that is the problem.

Look around the Managers in football, how few have had a glittering career? Pep? Lampard? Arteta? Not many. More so the coaches or even the scouts that identify players. All those roles have different skill sets to playing, and I think the best clubs recognise that.

I realise that there are things the club do wrong, or they don’t do things the way some like, but to criticise the higher ups for not being football men is an easy an cheap shot unless you can show that this is different from 98% of all clubs, successful or not.

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So many choices of manager, guessing only a couple would get large support......so we wont get them then.

That leaves at least a dozen guesses who could come in........think of the bottom one and nail him on and announce a week before kick off....job done.

Our/SL`s recent manager selections and processes have hardly been earth shattering, to say the least, expect more of the same to avoid dissapointment.

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Looks like we will be starting the new season with the same players playing in the same way with the same attitude.

I was hoping a new manager would have been in place by now who would need  time to properly assess every squad player,  bring in new players where required and impose a new playing strategy and frame of mind.......this all takes time.

Yes take time to make the right manager choice but not at the risk of starting the new season poorly.

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12 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Looks like we will be starting the new season with the same players playing in the same way with the same attitude.

I was hoping a new manager would have been in place by now who would need  time to properly assess every squad player,  bring in new players where required and impose a new playing strategy and frame of mind.......this all takes time.

Yes take time to make the right manager choice but not at the risk of starting the new season poorly.

We don’t know what’s going on inside AG but I guess MA will already have a list of players and probably Deano and Macca will add their opinions. It’s not as if the club are starting completely from scratch.

We’ve frequently heard from MA and previously LJ that recruitment is planned two or even three windows ahead and the fact the club are currently manager less wont have changed that forward planning.

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You can plan all you like and have lists of players but how many of those players will want to sign for a club without a manager ? Sign a three year deal  and then a new manager comes in and you’re not his type of player. 

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12 minutes ago, Robbored said:

We don’t know what’s going on inside AG but I guess MA will already have a list of players and probably Deano and Macca will add their opinions. It’s not as if the club are starting completely from scratch.

We’ve frequently heard from MA and previously LJ that recruitment is planned two or even three windows ahead and the fact the club are currently manager less wont have changed that forward planning.

Guess we need to brace ourselves for more misfit players then, if that is the case!

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7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

We don’t know what’s going on inside AG but I guess MA will already have a list of players and probably Deano and Macca will add their opinions. It’s not as if the club are starting completely from scratch.

We’ve frequently heard from MA and previously LJ that recruitment is planned two or even three windows ahead and the fact the club are currently manager less wont have changed that forward planning.

The new manager must have input on new players if at all possible - whether he has 'the final word' as LJ claimed he had so often - or not.

What if the new manager really doesn't want a player on MA and LJ's list - quite possible he's had him at a previous club for example, and that experience means he doesn't want him again. To impose such players on him would be a terrible start.

The opinion of Macca and Holden - who may well be on their way - is no longer important unless they become part of the new managers' team.

A new manager will, quite naturally, also want to add his own choices for consideration - i.e. players from previous clubs he is convinced can do a job for him here - and as far as next season is concerned it's important that he is here in time to have that opportunity.

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14 minutes ago, Robbored said:

We don’t know what’s going on inside AG but I guess MA will already have a list of players and probably Deano and Macca will add their opinions. It’s not as if the club are starting completely from scratch.

We’ve frequently heard from MA and previously LJ that recruitment is planned two or even three windows ahead and the fact the club are currently manager less wont have changed that forward planning.

Each day that goes by is one day fewer preparation for the new man. That's an objective fact. And I don't think you'll find a single head coach in the country that prefers less time to prepare for a new challenge.

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36 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Looks like we will be starting the new season with the same players playing in the same way with the same attitude.

I was hoping a new manager would have been in place by now who would need  time to properly assess every squad player,  bring in new players where required and impose a new playing strategy and frame of mind.......this all takes time.

Yes take time to make the right manager choice but not at the risk of starting the new season poorly.

Robin, there’s still plenty of time for the right manager. The delay is for a reason and this would not distract potential players as the club is very well respected, the infrastructure is top notch and we are on the up and not the down 

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It’s not as bad as it seems. The current squad is pretty good, but it underachieved last season. Two or three new players and a good manager is all that’s needed. Signing lots of players gives the fans lots to talk about, but doesn’t necessarily work. Remember ex Rovers manager Paul Buckle. He signed about 11 players when he was appointed and their fans started saying Rovers was the Barcelona of the UK. He got the sack half way through the season. 

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The players are on time off anyway so a new manager wouldn’t be assessing them now. I’d have liked them to have been in place for a game or two but c’est la vie. Need this done Monday though because we need to start dealing with contracts and transfers, the next six weeks will disappear in no time to be honest.

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3 minutes ago, mozo said:

Each day that goes by is one day fewer preparation for the new man. That's an objective fact. And I don't think you'll find a single head coach in the country that prefers less time to prepare for a new challenge.

Thing is - for all we know the new guy may well have been appointed already and the club are delaying announcing him for whatever reason..............:dunno:

If that is the case then he’ll certainly be involved in any wheeling and dealing.

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8 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Thing is - for all we know the new guy may well have been appointed already and the club are delaying announcing him for whatever reason..............:dunno:

If that is the case then he’ll certainly be involved in any wheeling and dealing.

Agreed especially if the German cap man, scruffy beard and no teeth has been signed up as he still had another years contract with his current club. 

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2 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Nah, the reason for the lengthy delay is because the new guy requires international clearance: Slowvisa Jokanovic.

SLOW JOK says bounce around the ground, bounce around the ground, bounce around the ground.

SLOW JOK says bounce around the ground, bounce around the ground, bounce around the ground.

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2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Thank you Dave. So at Wigan it hasn’t made much difference having a top footballer on their board. As with the other examples you have given, they are probably less experienced than say Holden or Jamie Mac, which makes me think they would be receiving similar criticism to that of the current board if they were here making tough decisions, such as the one we are going through now.

The only example I can think of personally where the club is basically run by “football people” is Salford, that seems to be going well, but a lot of their success could be down to the money at that level.

The reasonI asked the question is that I don’t believe it makes much difference. I am sure we have all worked at places where the Managers have been promoted from within, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. It’s the idea that someone who is good at doing a certain role, will inevitably have the skills for another role that seems related that is the problem.

Look around the Managers in football, how few have had a glittering career? Pep? Lampard? Arteta? Not many. More so the coaches or even the scouts that identify players. All those roles have different skill sets to playing, and I think the best clubs recognise that.

I realise that there are things the club do wrong, or they don’t do things the way some like, but to criticise the higher ups for not being football men is an easy an cheap shot unless you can show that this is different from 98% of all clubs, successful or not.

I guess the point I was trying to make was that the three clubs I mentioned have a footballing person in the Head of Recruitment role. I’m sure Royle brings some “football balance” to the running of the club at board level when football matters are being discussed.

But that person you trust in the HoR role is key imho. Those 3 clubs have ex-footballers, ex-Managers in those roles. From different levels of experience from Hodge (top flight goalie in his day) to Mitchell a manager in non-league at Alfreton (previously managed by Wilder and Flint’s old club).

46 minutes ago, Robbored said:

We don’t know what’s going on inside AG but I guess MA will already have a list of players and probably Deano and Macca will add their opinions. It’s not as if the club are starting completely from scratch.

We’ve frequently heard from MA and previously LJ that recruitment is planned two or even three windows ahead and the fact the club are currently manager less wont have changed that forward planning.

I often wonder about the planning. I certainly understated concept, but how it plays out in practice will be interesting.

Im sure the club have a depth chart of some description and things like contract expiry on it (Hey even I have that), and I’m sure they have a list of players with known contract expiry too. Hey, I have that also!!!

I can imagine them sitting down in the Jan window thinking we might need to improve player x and compiling a list of who they might want in the summer. They might think that a contract situation might not play out until the next Jan or even the next summer, so that would be 2/3 windows. But that isn’t particularly special. Again I can do that. They can do it at scale, I just don’t have the time.

But football is the here and now, young players breaking through change those plans.

I guess I’m saying I think some of it is spin /hyperbole to make it sound more impressive than it is. 😀

29 minutes ago, mozo said:

Each day that goes by is one day fewer preparation for the new man. That's an objective fact. And I don't think you'll find a single head coach in the country that prefers less time to prepare for a new challenge.

Yes, my self imposed cut off was Friday. In my opinion every day after that is eating into preparation. Players back in 8 days, you want to hit the ground running.

The new manager will want as much time with the players in a shortened pre-season as possible, yet will need to be recruiting and trading too.

Perhaps it’s done, just not announced?

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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Im sure the club have a depth chart of some description and things like contract expiry on it (Hey even I have that), and I’m sure they have a list of players with known contract expiry too. Hey, I have that also!!!

Are you Mark Ashton? I’ve never seen you in the same place at the same time 😂

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57 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Thing is - for all we know the new guy may well have been appointed already and the club are delaying announcing him for whatever reason..............:dunno:

If that is the case then he’ll certainly be involved in any wheeling and dealing.

Okay, I'd be willing to believe that we may have now made our decision and even signed an agreement with new man.

But it doesn't sound plausible that he is actually doing the job. That's the crucial bit here.

He needs to meet staff, share his vision, probably integrate new people. Assess the set up, facilities etc.

I just don't buy that he's doing all of that in secret without a single detail leaked.

The new gaffer needs as much prep time prior to players returning as poss. In fact, some loanee players had a shorter break and are back to work tomorrow I think.

There will also be external media duties which will eat into his time.

Time is of the essence. 

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1 hour ago, Curr Avon said:

Nah, the reason for the lengthy delay is because the new guy requires international clearance: Slowvisa Jokanovic.

Guesswork or are you itk?

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47 minutes ago, mozo said:

Okay, I'd be willing to believe that we may have now made our decision and even signed an agreement with new man.

But it doesn't sound plausible that he is actually doing the job. That's the crucial bit here.

He needs to meet staff, share his vision, probably integrate new people. Assess the set up, facilities etc.

I just don't buy that he's doing all of that in secret without a single detail leaked.

The new gaffer needs as much prep time prior to players returning as poss. In fact, some loanee players had a shorter break and are back to work tomorrow I think.

There will also be external media duties which will eat into his time.

Time is of the essence. 

I’m just speculating like everyone else mozo. I accept that my conjecture is a little wild tho! 

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