Matthew me Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 IF we opt for Cook I am struggling to see the sense of the appointment. He's got a win % of 41% during his time at Wigan, this includes the promotion season. Two years of championship management Two years bottom half finish Zero years premiership experience When you compare CH, his win % for BHA in the Prem was 41% and 55% for Newcastle Multiple years in the championship Won two promotions Managed in the Prem and kept BHA up On paper, I don't understand how a manager with little relevant experience of the championship and NO experience of the Prem is a better choice. If cook is the man, we have to support, but sadly I fear we've missed the boat again. CH would have been an amazing fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairweather Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, RodMango said: For those wondering if Paul cook would be interested in managing Bristol City please watch the video below.....and wait until he talks about Bristol City. Hire that man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 He’s a better choice if CH doesn’t want to work at Bristol City and gets a job at another club. Mainly because he’d be the manager of a different club leaving us with no manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Pottechino would have been overqualified CA but not necessarily so in Hiughtons case. As I posted just now CH probably sees himself as PL manager. You're right Alan, CH does see himself as a PL manager, because of a decent track record in that division. Based on that and two promotions from the Championship, he is overqualified, which is why City should appoint him. Preferably asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew me Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Just now, Murraysrightplum said: He’s a better choice if CH doesn’t want to work at Bristol City and gets a job at another club. Mainly because he’d be the manager of a different club leaving us with no manager. I don't think he's ever come out and said he didn't want to join. He's been keen from day one according to the media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matthew me said: IF we opt for Cook I am struggling to see the sense of the appointment. He's got a win % of 41% during his time at Wigan, this includes the promotion season. Two years of championship management Two years bottom half finish Zero years premiership experience When you compare CH, his win % for BHA in the Prem was 41% and 55% for Newcastle Multiple years in the championship Won two promotions Managed in the Prem and kept BHA up On paper, I don't understand how a manager with little relevant experience of the championship and NO experience of the Prem is a better choice. If cook is the man, we have to support, but sadly I fear we've missed the boat again. CH would have been an amazing fit. Agree with the numbers bit and I've stated elsewhere that Cook is a totally under whelming choice. But I think we ought to forget about CH, he's either been offered the job and has turned it down, been offered the job but is waiting for a better offer elsewhere or we haven't made an offer in which case he knows he is at least 2nd choice so unlikely to come. Maybe wrong and would be delighted if he is appointed but don't think it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, chowie said: I’m obsessed with City to the point I sometimes think I have a problem but frankly I couldn’t care less about players and managers from elsewhere. I don’t know much about Cook and don’t plan to unless he becomes our manager. This stat will do me though. After seeing that, I’m a bit confused as to why some on here are so against him being appointed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Jerseybean said: Pompey fan I know very well says, ‘Oh dear! He’s a bully and a drunk!!’ Poor lad, but that's what supporting Pompey does for you. I think this latest escapade might be leading a few of us along the same path though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I must have missed the deluge of posts emphasising his baldness as a positive. Maybe it’s been the missing link! LJ had way too much hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, Matthew me said: £.1.2m for a manager that has won promotion from the championship and managed in the premier. Experienced, great connections and we'll liked in the game Or save a few quid and get someone that's had two seasons in the championship managing a team in the bottom half of the table. We are making a very clear statement with this appointment, and it's not a good one You could argue managing a team on a fraction of the crowds, transfer budget and wage budget (£10m less overall was quoted yesterday) to one place below the previous incumbent at Bristol City prior to the points deduction? You could also argue that had the previous Manager remained until the end of the season Wigan would have finished above us on a fraction of the budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Matthew me said: IF we opt for Cook I am struggling to see the sense of the appointment. He's got a win % of 41% during his time at Wigan, this includes the promotion season. Two years of championship management Two years bottom half finish Zero years premiership experience When you compare CH, his win % for BHA in the Prem was 41% and 55% for Newcastle Multiple years in the championship Won two promotions Managed in the Prem and kept BHA up On paper, I don't understand how a manager with little relevant experience of the championship and NO experience of the Prem is a better choice. If cook is the man, we have to support, but sadly I fear we've missed the boat again. CH would have been an amazing fit. 41% is pretty solid. Cotterill's is about that during his entire career. Anything over 40% is decent as a lower league manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Matthew me said: £.1.2m for a manager that has won promotion from the championship and managed in the premier. Experienced, great connections and we'll liked in the game Or save a few quid and get someone that's had two seasons in the championship managing a team in the bottom half of the table. We are making a very clear statement with this appointment, and it's not a good one In your wildest dreams you cannot really believe that the deciding factor in who we appoint will be whether we can ‘save a few quid’. As I’ve said elsewhere, whatever the salary I firmly believe we will appoint the person who the club feel is the right person in football terms to take the side forward at this point in time. Can we please get away from the ridiculous suggestion that all Steve Lansdown wants to do is save a few bob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: This is one of the reasons why we don’t advance , people like you clinging onto past mistakes like badges of honour. We are not the same club that we were even five years ago. SL has said he wanted top six this year . LJ failed . LJ showed the door . I don’t doubt that SL will approve the best candidate in the club’s opinion to achieve the goal. My comment was that Hughton being appointed would throw down the gauntlet to the players, the Championship and install us at short odds to make the top six . Cook, is a very good coach , who could very well get us promoted but doesn’t have the same ‘ media ‘ impact as CH. And this sort of attitude will get us relegated. You want a manager with HYPE **** hype! I'm more interested in what they have done. And their ability to take us somewhere. I dont care if they arent well known. Means nothing if they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, Matthew me said: IF we opt for Cook I am struggling to see the sense of the appointment. He's got a win % of 41% during his time at Wigan, this includes the promotion season. Two years of championship management Two years bottom half finish Zero years premiership experience When you compare CH, his win % for BHA in the Prem was 41% and 55% for Newcastle Multiple years in the championship Won two promotions Managed in the Prem and kept BHA up On paper, I don't understand how a manager with little relevant experience of the championship and NO experience of the Prem is a better choice. If cook is the man, we have to support, but sadly I fear we've missed the boat again. CH would have been an amazing fit. Why would Hughton be an amazing fit? We don’t know what he’s asked for as a budget , wages , bonuses, his views on our current squad? IF Hughton was the boards first choice he would be in role now , for whatever reason he hasn’t I guess we’ll never know why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: In your wildest dreams you cannot really believe that the deciding factor in who we appoint will be whether we can ‘save a few quid’. As I’ve said elsewhere, whatever the salary I firmly believe we will appoint the person who the club feel is the right person in football terms to take the side forward at this point in time. Can we please get away from the ridiculous suggestion that all Steve Lansdown wants to do is save a few bob? Lansdown has many faults but agree doing something to save a few bob I’m not sure he can be accused of that. Anybody who believes that , take a walk around Ashton Gate this afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, daored said: Lansdown has many faults but agree doing something to save a few bob I’m not sure he can be accused of that. Anybody who believes that , take a walk around Ashton Gate this afternoon Yeah its mint init Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, maxjak said: I have a lot of respect for your opinion, and have noted you seem to have good insight. Maybe I need to reconsider Cook? I also noticed that Wigan won away at Leeds and WBA last season, no mean feat? Shows his tactical variety albeit within the same framework too. Both finished 1-0 but were quite different! At Leeds, they had to absorb a lot of possession, a lot of pressure- they won 1-0 but unsure how merited. At West Brom however, same score but different. Had more chances, more of the ball- certainly one half. Seems like me makes tweaks within framework as opposed to whole changes ala LJ. That's a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, Matthew me said: IF we opt for Cook I am struggling to see the sense of the appointment. He's got a win % of 41% during his time at Wigan, this includes the promotion season. As Foggy has pointed out, I suspect 41% isn't that bad to be honest Two years of championship management At Wigan, who have yo-yo'd for a few years. Not bad at all Two years bottom half finish At Wigan. I'd wager the finish vs expenditure table puts this achievement in a much different light Zero years premiership experience Give him time....he's saving that for a proper club When you compare CH, his win % for BHA in the Prem was 41% and 55% for Newcastle You can't compare, as you pointed out PC hasn't been to the PL as a manager Multiple years in the championship CH has a few years on PC, come back when PC is at the same age as CH Won two promotions See above Managed in the Prem and kept BHA up See above (but replace BHA with BC) On paper, I don't understand how a manager with little relevant experience of the championship and NO experience of the Prem is a better choice. Maybe CH is holding out for Watford, or maybe Bournemouth might have a vacancy going. Maybe there's something about CH that makes MA / SL think they can't work with him. Maybe the choice just isn't ours to make If cook is the man, we have to support, but sadly I fear we've missed the boat again. CH would have been an amazing fit. See above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 29 minutes ago, Matthew me said: I don't think he's ever come out and said he didn't want to join. He's been keen from day one according to the media I guess if you're on the dole and there's a job you could do going for upwards of half a million quid a year, I guess you'd be unlikely to rule yourself out, eh? Just to also confirm; I haven't ruled myself out either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, Matthew me said: IF we opt for Cook I am struggling to see the sense of the appointment. He's got a win % of 41% during his time at Wigan, this includes the promotion season. Two years of championship management Two years bottom half finish Zero years premiership experience When you compare CH, his win % for BHA in the Prem was 41% and 55% for Newcastle Multiple years in the championship Won two promotions Managed in the Prem and kept BHA up On paper, I don't understand how a manager with little relevant experience of the championship and NO experience of the Prem is a better choice. If cook is the man, we have to support, but sadly I fear we've missed the boat again. CH would have been an amazing fit. Comparing win percentages of a manager with a small budget with a manager who has a large budget is naive at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: I guess if you're on the dole and there's a job you could do going for upwards of half a million quid a year, I guess you'd be unlikely to rule yourself out, eh? Just to also confirm; I haven't ruled myself out either. Me too. I can confirm I’ve not ruled myself out. I also understand @Davefevs ‘people’ haven’t confirmed he’s been ruled out either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, maxjak said: I have a lot of respect for your opinion, and have noted you seem to have good insight. Maybe I need to reconsider Cook? I also noticed that Wigan won away at Leeds and WBA last season, no mean feat? Ta. As I said to JonD, have a look at some video, look at recruitment, look at budgets. Then decide? He might still be someone you don’t like....but at least you’re doing it with good reason. You may come up with reasons I’ve not considered. I take the mickey out of JonD for always going on about height of players, but I actually (sadly???) went into Wyscout last night and went through the heights of ours and Wigan’s starting elevens for their final league match. Wigan’s was 23 inches more than ours. That’s 2 inches per player. Obviously a striker inn Moore at 6’5” gives 8 inches on Nahki Wells at 5’9”, but he made a useful point. 46 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: Here's a question, would a prospective candidate ask about the transfer budget, prior to their interview, perhaps subject to an NDA, in order not to waste time? Yes, I’m sure if the manager doesn’t,Agent discussions will touch on it. 39 minutes ago, Matthew me said: IF we opt for Cook I am struggling to see the sense of the appointment. He's got a win % of 41% during his time at Wigan, this includes the promotion season. Two years of championship management Two years bottom half finish Zero years premiership experience When you compare CH, his win % for BHA in the Prem was 41% and 55% for Newcastle Multiple years in the championship Won two promotions Managed in the Prem and kept BHA up On paper, I don't understand how a manager with little relevant experience of the championship and NO experience of the Prem is a better choice. If cook is the man, we have to support, but sadly I fear we've missed the boat again. CH would have been an amazing fit. But you are comparing Paul Cook with a manager who: 1) had the biggest budget in the Championship at Newcastle, kept a squad from the Prem, etc etc 2) had the biggest budget of the non-parachute payment clubs with Brighton You can’t just compare league table positions and win percentage if you want a fair comparison. You have to have context too. Don't get me wrong, CH was my no1, but he was very closely followed by Cook. In terms of fit, Cook probably shades it because of what he’s achieved with Wigan on the budget he has. 23 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: You could argue managing a team on a fraction of the crowds, transfer budget and wage budget (£10m less overall was quoted yesterday) to one place below the previous incumbent at Bristol City prior to the points deduction? You could also argue that had the previous Manager remained until the end of the season Wigan would have finished above us on a fraction of the budget. That was me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Big favourite now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Dolman Block B said: Big favourite now Thanks spiderman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: I guess if you're on the dole and there's a job you could do going for upwards of half a million quid a year, I guess you'd be unlikely to rule yourself out, eh? Just to also confirm; I haven't ruled myself out either. Wonder if 'on the dole' football managers get sanctioned by the social if they don't apply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Big favourite now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 In theory if Paul Cook gets the job there should be absolutely nothing left to say about him as it’s all already been said. The same with Hughton. But, this being OTIB, I bet we’ll have at least 50 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Announcement that Cook is poised to step down soon from Wigan. Cue announcement days later that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Dolman Block B said: Big favourite now In Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Just now, pongo88 said: In Australia? In the bat cave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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