MC RISK77 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 That is one relegation place aorted Sorted... which players are now up for going after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, MC RISK77 said: That is one relegation place aorted Sorted... which players are now up for going after? EFL statement here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 To be applied next season rather than last. How convenient. They will probably be ok bearing in mind Wycombe and Rotherham will be in the Championship next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Why next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Why next season? Was going to say the same thing! If I were a Wigan or Charlton fan I'd be livid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Because they're entitled to be in the championship and above? Derby get their comeuppance next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 What a loads of bollocks they should have gone down cheating bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritAbroad Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Maybe Wigan could use this in their appeal, and have their 12 points deducted next season instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterRedthanBlue Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Wigan and Charlton will surely kick up a fuss about this. If that deduction was this season they would be relegated (they cheated so they deserve to go down as do Derby). It makes no sense for Wigan's punishment to be either this season or next depending on if they were in the relegation zone or not, Wednesday should be treated the same and have it apply for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Why next season? I suppose if they apply the deduction this season then Wednesday get relegated. If they apply the same penalty to Derby then they get away Scot free. Is that fair ? I think they are applying it next season so it affects the 2 clubs in equal measures. Not saying it is correct as I think they should both be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Hammer them- hopefully an appeal and representations would get it overturned and put into the 2019/20 column. Not read the article or indeed the EFL Statement as yet. Subject to appeal from both sides, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 One problem here is that a the stadium sale appears in 2018/19 accounts- which gives them some headroom for 2020-21 unless there has been a resetting of losses to £13m as per the Birmingham judgement. Yes though- Cheat Number One, provisionally, being dealt with- still puzzled as to the season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 They can thank their lucky stars that they're playing in THE lenient EFL. Had we applied the punishments meted out in Italy or France they could have found themselves starting in L2 next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, BigTone said: I suppose if they apply the deduction this season then Wednesday get relegated. If they apply the same penalty to Derby then they get away Scot free. Is that fair ? I think they are applying it next season so it affects the 2 clubs in equal measures. Not saying it is correct as I think they should both be relegated. If the penalty is to be applied this season, the rules are in place to deal with this. Fairness is following the rules set out. If that means Wednesday relegated and Derby stay up, so be it. Wigan’s fat lady ain’t singing yet either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 I do think our Governance is lax compared to some other places. I suspect that in Germany harsher penalties may have been given as well? This bit of the EFL Statement is interesting: Quote The Club was found not guilty of a further charge of breaching its duty of utmost good faith to the EFL by deliberately concealing information from the League in respect of filings made in respect of the Profitability and Sustainability Rules. Precedent- or still case by case basis etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighteen ninetyfour Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Ive heard that derby could also be facing a deduction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, BigTone said: I suppose if they apply the deduction this season then Wednesday get relegated. If they apply the same penalty to Derby then they get away Scot free. Is that fair ? I think they are applying it next season so it affects the 2 clubs in equal measures. Not saying it is correct as I think they should both be relegated. Didn’t the EFL say Wigan would either be penalised this season if it put them in the bottom 3, or next if it didn’t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I do think our Governance is lax compared to some other places. I suspect that in Germany harsher penalties may have been given as well? This bit of the EFL Statement is interesting: Precedent- or still case by case basis etc? Wasn’t Man City the same re concealment? Realised different bodies etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow&Blue&Red Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Isn't the delay in both cases to do with the appeal process. If Wigan and Wednesday were both to appeal, that would leave other clubs uncertain as to which league they'd be in, during the hearing of the appeals... And unfairly unable to plan accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, NlGHTMARE said: Got a feeling they’re going to do the same for Wigan too. Quote "Lawyers in 3, 2, 1...?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterRedthanBlue Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Reading between the lines it seems that Sheffield Wednesday know they got away with it From their official statement "Further, the commission decided not to apply a 12-point deduction this season, thereby imposing relegation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Yellow&Blue&Red said: Isn't the delay in both cases to do with the appeal process. If Wigan and Wednesday were both to appeal, that would leave other clubs uncertain as to which league they'd be in, during the hearing of the appeals... And unfairly unable to plan accordingly. Thats why wednesdays is next season not this one, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 We might finally get Barry Bannan just after LJ's gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, BetterRedthenBlue said: Reading between the lines it seems that Sheffield Wednesday know they got away with it From their official statement "Further, the commission decided not to apply a 12-point deduction this season, thereby imposing relegation." Could the EFL attempt to appeal this into being applied in 2019/20 season though? I'd argue that Barnsley, possibly Wigan and maybe even Charlton could or should have been relevant parties in terms of representation to the Independent Panel- any scope for them to have a say in any appeal against the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Why next season rather than this one? Probably because time is limited, they can get an appeal in, appeals take time and the divisions need to be sorted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castle red Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Go get Bannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Yellow&Blue&Red said: Isn't the delay in both cases to do with the appeal process. If Wigan and Wednesday were both to appeal, that would leave other clubs uncertain as to which league they'd be in, during the hearing of the appeals... And unfairly unable to plan accordingly. Wigan's administration occurred during this last season, Their points deduction was either applied this season if it resulted in their relegation, or if they avoided relegation even with the points deduction then it would applied next season. Wednesday offence(s) occurred during the season before last, so why did the EFL not apply the same mxim as with Wednesday? I know some will say that this allows time for any appeal, but it seems to me very convenient that the judgement has been made after the season has ended and certainly smacks of one rule for one (historically) big club and another for the (historically) smaller club. The only possible reason I can see is that Wigan's administration makes their penalty absolute and non negotiable. Whereas the whole background to Wednesday's offences is tied up in the shambles that is/was the EFL ffp rules, with potential for major legal challenges, which could cause major disruption to next season's fixtures, and especially so given the very short summer/pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawey Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, castle red said: Go get Bannon go get a gaffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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