Dynamite Red Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 I do wonder if the hold up to appoint our new manager is down to our reluctance to change the back room staff. Look at our recent history under Lansdown:- Tinnion - w/Millen (already at club). G.Johnson - w/Millen (already at club). Coppell - w/Millen (already at club). Millen - w/Wigley. McInnes - w/Docherty. Sean O'Driscoll - w/Pemberton Cottrell - w/Pemberton (already at club). L.Johnson - w/Pemberton then(already at club) then Holden. SL has stated before he doesn't like to change the backroom staff due to cost involved and this has played out previously. Most managers like to have their own team appointed. I imagine someone like Hughton would demand he has his trusty lieutenants that has brought him success before. Could it be we had planned to go for a high profile appointment but realised the cost and demands for additional staff a baulked at the price? Don't be surprised if our new man is made to work with Holden an Macca which may put higher profile candidates off the job. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: I do wonder if the hold up to appoint our new manager is down to our reluctance to change the back room staff. Look at our recent history under Lansdown:- Tinnion - w/Millen (already at club). G.Johnson - w/Millen (already at club). Coppell - w/Millen (already at club). Millen - w/Wigley. McInnes - w/Docherty. Sean O'Driscoll - w/Pemberton Cottrell - w/Pemberton (already at club). L.Johnson - w/Pemberton then(already at club) then Holden. SL has stated before he doesn't like to change the backroom staff due to cost involved and this has played out previously. Most managers like to have their own team appointed. I imagine someone like Hughton would demand he has his trusty lieutenants that has brought him success before. Could it be we had planned to go for a high profile appointment but realised the cost and demands for additional staff a baulked at the price? Don't be surprised if our new man is made to work with Holden an Macca which may put higher profile candidates off the job. Just a thought. Who's to say his trusty lieutenants aren't working elsewhere by now. It was over a year ago that he left Brighton. Whatever the situation the club will put us out of our misery in due course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 May well be that the backroom staff are the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 41 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: I do wonder if the hold up to appoint our new manager is down to our reluctance to change the back room staff. Look at our recent history under Lansdown:- Tinnion - w/Millen (already at club). G.Johnson - w/Millen (already at club). Coppell - w/Millen (already at club). Millen - w/Wigley. McInnes - w/Docherty. Sean O'Driscoll - w/Pemberton Cottrell - w/Pemberton (already at club). L.Johnson - w/Pemberton then(already at club) then Holden. SL has stated before he doesn't like to change the backroom staff due to cost involved and this has played out previously. Most managers like to have their own team appointed. I imagine someone like Hughton would demand he has his trusty lieutenants that has brought him success before. Could it be we had planned to go for a high profile appointment but realised the cost and demands for additional staff a baulked at the price? Don't be surprised if our new man is made to work with Holden an Macca which may put higher profile candidates off the job. Just a thought. SL what are the cost implications of reaching the Premiership? You employed Lee and let him bring in his friends. Lee has gone they must go. I would guess to sack them it may cost the club £2-3 m, an cost of an average championship player. If that is the reason why we do not have a manager already in place it shows no ambition at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 I feel this IS a factor and said as much on another thread last week. I remain convinced that things with Coppell might have worked out differently if he had been ALLOWED to bring Wally Downes and Nick Hammond with him rather than have to accept support from Keef Millen who is a jolly nice chap and we like to do things the right way down here!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted August 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 36 minutes ago, BigTone said: Who's to say his trusty lieutenants aren't working elsewhere by now. It was over a year ago that he left Brighton. Whatever the situation the club will put us out of our misery in due course. I think his previous head coach (Trollope) and assistant (Calderwood) are both out of work. Even if they were in work, it is fairly common for a manager to want to appoint their own backroom team and we know there is a resistance to this from our owner, as a result this may rule out certain candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Does anyone know just how common it is for a new manager to bring a team in? In my head, it is quite commonplace but may well be the exception, rather than the rule and the ‘usual’ case is new manager has to work with whoever is there. Anyone know where there are data? if it is common that a team comes in does ANY appointment, other than Holden, mean DH and JMc will automatically have to leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Dynamite Red said: I do wonder if the hold up to appoint our new manager is down to our reluctance to change the back room staff. Look at our recent history under Lansdown:- Tinnion - w/Millen (already at club). G.Johnson - w/Millen (already at club). Coppell - w/Millen (already at club). Millen - w/Wigley. McInnes - w/Docherty. Sean O'Driscoll - w/Pemberton Cottrell - w/Pemberton (already at club). L.Johnson - w/Pemberton then(already at club) then Holden. SL has stated before he doesn't like to change the backroom staff due to cost involved and this has played out previously. Most managers like to have their own team appointed. I imagine someone like Hughton would demand he has his trusty lieutenants that has brought him success before. Could it be we had planned to go for a high profile appointment but realised the cost and demands for additional staff a baulked at the price? Don't be surprised if our new man is made to work with Holden an Macca which may put higher profile candidates off the job. Just a thought. What do they say about little minds and their perspective in the real world. What are you talking about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Um, nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: I think his previous head coach (Trollope) and assistant (Calderwood) are both out of work. Even if they were in work, it is fairly common for a manager to want to appoint their own backroom team and we know there is a resistance to this from our owner, as a result this may rule out certain candidates. Similarly, we could hang on to Holden and MacAllister.... only to find LJ gets a job and takes them with him. Loyalty doesn’t really exist when it comes to transfers/hiring and firing in football.... i hope City daft enough to think they can change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: I think his previous head coach (Trollope) and assistant (Calderwood) are both out of work. Even if they were in work, it is fairly common for a manager to want to appoint their own backroom team and we know there is a resistance to this from our owner, as a result this may rule out certain candidates. Quite possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted August 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, City oz said: What do they say about little minds and their perspective in the real world. What are you talking about ? If you cannot understand maybe let the adults talk and you go play with your toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Any new manager candidate who cant sell his ideas or coach his vision to his backroom staff clearly won't have the ability to sell his ideas or coach his vision to his players. "You can't work with our backroom staff? Thanks for your application.....NEXT!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted August 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 31 minutes ago, Southport Red said: Does anyone know just how common it is for a new manager to bring a team in? In my head, it is quite commonplace but may well be the exception, rather than the rule and the ‘usual’ case is new manager has to work with whoever is there. Anyone know where there are data? if it is common that a team comes in does ANY appointment, other than Holden, mean DH and JMc will automatically have to leave? It seems fairly common place especially in the higher divisions. 5 of our previous 8 managerial appointments have worked with an assistant manager already at the club, that doesn't include Millen who was promoted up to manager so it was necessary to appoint a new assistant. SL has previously expressed his reluctance in the past to make changes to the coaching staff on appointing a new manager. If this strategy still remains the case and a key consideration then it is likely to put off a number of candidates, especially those who are in demand or of a higher profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 43 minutes ago, Mendip City said: Similarly, we could hang on to Holden and MacAllister.... only to find LJ gets a job and takes them with him. Loyalty doesn’t really exist when it comes to transfers/hiring and firing in football.... i hope City daft enough to think they can change that. I would hope with SL’ s business acumen he would have ensured that their employment contracts were written appropriately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 probably waiting for the window to close to save a few bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuedgeRed Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 SL is investment banking. You have to speculate to accumulate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: It seems fairly common place especially in the higher divisions. 5 of our previous 8 managerial appointments have worked with an assistant manager already at the club, that doesn't include Millen who was promoted up to manager so it was necessary to appoint a new assistant. SL has previously expressed his reluctance in the past to make changes to the coaching staff on appointing a new manager. If this strategy still remains the case and a key consideration then it is likely to put off a number of candidates, especially those who are in demand or of a higher profile. Which makes me think we need to relax that a bit. I wonder if SL would be happy to work with complete strangers on the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted August 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said: Any new manager candidate who cant sell his ideas or coach his vision to his backroom staff clearly won't have the ability to sell his ideas or coach his vision to his players. "You can't work with our backroom staff? Thanks for your application.....NEXT!" Quite possibly but most managers at this level and above seem to want to appoint their own staff, I would suggest we are exception to that rule which maybe causing an issue. Look at our recent past there is a clear trend, would someone like Hughton take on a job here if he feels he would be hampered by using staff he doesn't want or feel comfortable with, it is likely to be a make or break decision for a number of candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Mad Cyril said: Any new manager candidate who cant sell his ideas or coach his vision to his backroom staff clearly won't have the ability to sell his ideas or coach his vision to his players. "You can't work with our backroom staff? Thanks for your application.....NEXT!" Blimey Cyril, I’ve been trying to find the joke that invariably comes with your posts and there isn’t one. That must prove how serious the situation has got!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Mad Cyril said: Any new manager candidate who cant sell his ideas or coach his vision to his backroom staff clearly won't have the ability to sell his ideas or coach his vision to his players. "You can't work with our backroom staff? Thanks for your application.....NEXT!" If that's his attitude he show no idea at all of moving the club forward. Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang. A lot of the top manager will say NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly The Kid Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 5 hours ago, BigTone said: Who's to say his trusty lieutenants aren't working elsewhere by now. It was over a year ago that he left Brighton. Whatever the situation the club will put us out of our misery in due course. Depending on who they appoint they could be extending the misery a bit longer...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Roadrunner said: SL what are the cost implications of reaching the Premiership? You employed Lee and let him bring in his friends. Lee has gone they must go. I would guess to sack them it may cost the club £2-3 m, an cost of an average championship player. If that is the reason why we do not have a manager already in place it shows no ambition at all. All that counts against FFP in its entirety. As does a new managers wages, compensation fee if necessary and any compensation due to LJ! Plus any new backroom staff- costs in wages and if necessary getting them from another club. Lots of little things can add up to something bigger. 3 hours ago, QuedgeRed said: SL is investment banking. You have to speculate to accumulate!! Again, see above- how do we stand on this vs FFP? Sheffield Wednesday just been docked 12 points- appears things are being taken more seriously now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 It seems to me that a good percentage of posters on here should be barred from ever doing Jury duty. FFS you'd have the defendant in the gallows without even hearing a shred of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 With COVID slashing income, I suspect that changing the entire back room staff would be considered an expense too far. Fans unlikely to be stadia this side of Xmas, corporate and social facilities barely being used, belt tightening needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Think the discussion about the actual remit of the role is much more likely to be the cause of the delay than the backroom staff myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Galley Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Or could it be that the new appointment is coming into the country from Spain or another country with restrictions and has to go into lockdown for 2 weeks. I am clutching at straws now and cannot understand why the club are not communicating with us “the supporters” on what progress is being made, are we not important!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med/MadHatter Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 The new coaching staff could be holding the announcement up, I believe City have interviewed Tommy Brown from Fulchester United but he won't come unless he can bring his coach Syd Preston, Mark Ashton is holding out on keeping Dean and Jamie, Tommy has countered by saying he could bring in Billy the Fish, Shaking Stevens and Mick Hucknall on the cheap, this option has split the interview panel and creating the hold up. Maybe I'm just losing the will plot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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