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Letter ready for the post-box:

 

Dear Dean

Congratulations on being appointed as head coach.

You will already know what a superb football club and city you are part of. We thought we could perhaps further your learning by offering some thoughts from us, the fans. Therefore, what follows has been distilled from comments posted on our brilliant forum OTIB. Which no doubt you are aware of. In case not please do check it out: https://www.otib.co.uk

OTIB is home to 17,357 Bristol City fans, from all over the world. It provides many things, not least of all a barometer of fan’s opinions and views. We thought that by collecting together comments from posters we could provide you with a useful insight from the fans perspective.

We also want to invite you to help us to help you. Although what follows is fans communicating with you, please do communicate with us, throughout your tenure and be clear about the things that we the fans can do to fully support you and the team.

Welcome

So to start with a genuinely, warm Bristol welcome. One other thing to mention early on (just in case you haven’t come across it before) is we are Bristol City and although there is only One Team in Bristol lots of us do not take kindly to being called Bristol.

Success

It is an obvious thing to say but for the avoidance of doubt we really, really, really want the same thing as you - success, which means promotion. Some fans want even more citing ‘playing decent football’, ‘playing with a bit of passion’, ‘giving youth a chance’, ‘semi-consistent tactics and team selection’ ‘entertainment,’ ‘excitement’ and ‘some attacking football would be greatly appreciated’.

Many of us have experienced a lifetime of ups-and-downs as City supporters (it has been a roller- coaster at times) and on occasions being a City fan has been tough and certainly character building!  The media often refer to us as ‘a sleeping giant,’ which is another label some of us dislike, although in fairness it is a convenient sound bite.

Recent times

Although this is about the future, we want to tale a brief look back at the recent past next. Which, of course, you will have greater insights into than us. A fair few OTIB regulars have, for some time, aired their views about the limitations of our ex-head coach, which one contributor summed up by saying ‘please help us to wipe our memories of the last two years of dross.’

Others have recognised that Lee Johnson stabilised the club and worked tirelessly but that ultimately the time was right, for all concerned, for a change.

As you know your predecessor was keen to talk about our ‘identity’ and ‘DNA’, although, to be honest, very few of us could confidently describe any particular ‘identity’. Any attempt to describe our recent ‘identity’ would certainly not involve many positives. Under your leadership, we would be delighted to applaud and support a style of play that is attractive, discernible and effective.

The hierarchy

Our hierarchy, as you know first-hand, has worked very hard over recent years to embed a sustainable mentality throughout the club and we are indebted to them, most especially Steve Lansdown CBE, for the commitment, financial backing, loyalty, stewardship and dedication they bring. We believe that you are very fortunate to enjoy their backing.

Becoming a legend in the South West

Given you have just been appointed the next point seems horribly premature; nevertheless we feel it needs to be said. When you eventually part company with Bristol City Football Club can your legacy please include words such as - success, promotion, attractive, effective football rather than - sacked, left by mutual consent or other such euphemisms.

We love pride, passion and attacking intent here. If that can bring us the long overdue success of achieving top-flight football again, then you will become a legend and we hold our legends in very high esteem. You would never need to purchase a glass of fermented apple juice again in your lifetime!

OTIB

One poster suggested that you avoid reading OTIB, while others suggest that might be a schoolboy error, feeling you should subscribe, as there is much benefit to be had from the combined thoughts of the OTIB community.

Home form

You will not need us to point out that our home record is an important issue to be resolved. Many of us travel away too and have enjoyed some memorable away days over the last couple of years. However, Ashton Gate is not the fortress it needs to be. The synergy between what is happening on and off the pitch is critical. There are certainly things that might help which we as fans can do e.g. make more noise and provide positive encouragement. There are things the players can do e.g. play exciting, effective football and show some passion and there are things the club can do e.g. rethinking the area set aside for travelling fans, enlivening the atmosphere in various ways such as:

  1. Extending the singing section.
  2. More interaction with the fans on a match day would gee up the crowd and by taking a few moments to ‘rally the troops’ before kickoff, at half time and at the final whistle always goes down well and will maximize what can be fantastic support from the home faithful.  Indeed, you could do a lot worse than to very publically announce that you would like to ‘get the crowd bouncing around the ground.’ Which, in an instant, would enable the continuity of one of our most effective and unique chants.
  3. Achieving the permanent inclusion of some seats allocated to home fans in the Atyeo stand.

The stats

The critical statistic is the number of points we have been behind the team that finished second in the table over recent seasons:

2019/20 = 20 points

2018/19 = 19 points

2017/18 = 23 points

2016/17 = 39 points

2015/16 = 37 points

The match-day experience

Understandably, your focus will be on winning football matches; there are also a few off-field matters we would like to bring to your attention, although they may already be apparent to you. Perhaps you could delegate somebody to sort out the appalling and legendary PA system at Ashton Gate, oh and please get ‘those lights’ turned off (you will know what we mean). While on the subject of basic match-day needs, a few of the internal concession outlets serving chips would most certainly go down well!

The rest

There were many other comments and suggestions, many of which were self-deprecating and testimony to the humour and banter within OTIB. Which is a rich blend of virtual terrace banter, informed, well considered debate, which is often incisive, forensic and spot-on, although sometimes banal and downright weird.

Finally

In summary, congratulations, good luck, we look forward to entertaining football, which leads to promotion and please help us to help you and the team by communicating regularly with us and ensuring we really are the 12th man every time our team play.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 08/08/2020 at 15:12, Bazooka Joe said:

Why do you say people simply have to accept this?

Don't they have a right, and more importantly, a duty to challenge things they consider to be wrong and detrimental to their club?

If they are passive and compliant, those in control will become even more powerful, and do whatever they want, whenever they want.

If they can make themselves heard, and make the decison-makers aware of their anger and dissaproval, there is always a chance that things will change.

Unfortunately, although it is 'our' club, none of it belongs to us, therefore we have limited power as stakeholders. All we can do is withdraw our support, and that ultimately only harms us as fans.

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1 hour ago, Jerseybean said:

Letter ready for the post-box:

 

Dear Dean

Congratulations on being appointed as head coach.

You will already know what a superb football club and city you are part of. We thought we could perhaps further your learning by offering some thoughts from us, the fans. Therefore, what follows has been distilled from comments posted on our brilliant forum OTIB. Which no doubt you are aware of. In case not please do check it out: https://www.otib.co.uk

OTIB is home to 17,357 Bristol City fans, from all over the world. It provides many things, not least of all a barometer of fan’s opinions and views. We thought that by collecting together comments from posters we could provide you with a useful insight from the fans perspective.

We also want to invite you to help us to help you. Although what follows is fans communicating with you, please do communicate with us, throughout your tenure and be clear about the things that we the fans can do to fully support you and the team.

Welcome

So to start with a genuinely, warm Bristol welcome. One other thing to mention early on (just in case you haven’t come across it before) is we are Bristol City and although there is only One Team in Bristol lots of us do not take kindly to being called Bristol.

Success

It is an obvious thing to say but for the avoidance of doubt we really, really, really want the same thing as you - success, which means promotion. Some fans want even more citing ‘playing decent football’, ‘playing with a bit of passion’, ‘giving youth a chance’, ‘semi-consistent tactics and team selection’ ‘entertainment,’ ‘excitement’ and ‘some attacking football would be greatly appreciated’.

Many of us have experienced a lifetime of ups-and-downs as City supporters (it has been a roller- coaster at times) and on occasions being a City fan has been tough and certainly character building!  The media often refer to us as ‘a sleeping giant,’ which is another label some of us dislike, although in fairness it is a convenient sound bite.

Recent times

Although this is about the future, we want to tale a brief look back at the recent past next. Which, of course, you will have greater insights into than us. A fair few OTIB regulars have, for some time, aired their views about the limitations of our ex-head coach, which one contributor summed up by saying ‘please help us to wipe our memories of the last two years of dross.’

Others have recognised that Lee Johnson stabilised the club and worked tirelessly but that ultimately the time was right, for all concerned, for a change.

As you know your predecessor was keen to talk about our ‘identity’ and ‘DNA’, although, to be honest, very few of us could confidently describe any particular ‘identity’. Any attempt to describe our recent ‘identity’ would certainly not involve many positives. Under your leadership, we would be delighted to applaud and support a style of play that is attractive, discernible and effective.

The hierarchy

Our hierarchy, as you know first-hand, has worked very hard over recent years to embed a sustainable mentality throughout the club and we are indebted to them, most especially Steve Lansdown CBE, for the commitment, financial backing, loyalty, stewardship and dedication they bring. We believe that you are very fortunate to enjoy their backing.

Becoming a legend in the South West

Given you have just been appointed the next point seems horribly premature; nevertheless we feel it needs to be said. When you eventually part company with Bristol City Football Club can your legacy please include words such as - success, promotion, attractive, effective football rather than - sacked, left by mutual consent or other such euphemisms.

We love pride, passion and attacking intent here. If that can bring us the long overdue success of achieving top-flight football again, then you will become a legend and we hold our legends in very high esteem. You would never need to purchase a glass of fermented apple juice again in your lifetime!

OTIB

One poster suggested that you avoid reading OTIB, while others suggest that might be a schoolboy error, feeling you should subscribe, as there is much benefit to be had from the combined thoughts of the OTIB community.

Home form

You will not need us to point out that our home record is an important issue to be resolved. Many of us travel away too and have enjoyed some memorable away days over the last couple of years. However, Ashton Gate is not the fortress it needs to be. The synergy between what is happening on and off the pitch is critical. There are certainly things that might help which we as fans can do e.g. make more noise and provide positive encouragement. There are things the players can do e.g. play exciting, effective football and show some passion and there are things the club can do e.g. rethinking the area set aside for travelling fans, enlivening the atmosphere in various ways such as:

  1. Extending the singing section.
  2. More interaction with the fans on a match day would gee up the crowd and by taking a few moments to ‘rally the troops’ before kickoff, at half time and at the final whistle always goes down well and will maximize what can be fantastic support from the home faithful.  Indeed, you could do a lot worse than to very publically announce that you would like to ‘get the crowd bouncing around the ground.’ Which, in an instant, would enable the continuity of one of our most effective and unique chants.
  3. Achieving the permanent inclusion of some seats allocated to home fans in the Atyeo stand.

The stats

The critical statistic is the number of points we have been behind the team that finished second in the table over recent seasons:

2019/20 = 20 points

2018/19 = 19 points

2017/18 = 23 points

2016/17 = 39 points

2015/16 = 37 points

The match-day experience

Understandably, your focus will be on winning football matches; there are also a few off-field matters we would like to bring to your attention, although they may already be apparent to you. Perhaps you could delegate somebody to sort out the appalling and legendary PA system at Ashton Gate, oh and please get ‘those lights’ turned off (you will know what we mean). While on the subject of basic match-day needs, a few of the internal concession outlets serving chips would most certainly go down well!

The rest

There were many other comments and suggestions, many of which were self-deprecating and testimony to the humour and banter within OTIB. Which is a rich blend of virtual terrace banter, informed, well considered debate, which is often incisive, forensic and spot-on, although sometimes banal and downright weird.

Finally

In summary, congratulations, good luck, we look forward to entertaining football, which leads to promotion and please help us to help you and the team by communicating regularly with us and ensuring we really are the 12th man every time our team play.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't that just the Hughton letter re-worked? Having been at the club for a while, he knows all this.

And the last place he should be looking is OTIB, given the level of vitriol directed towards him.

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2 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

Isn't that just the Hughton letter re-worked? Having been at the club for a while, he knows all this.

And the last place he should be looking is OTIB, given the level of vitriol directed towards him.

And I still stand by that suggestion! 

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9 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

Unfortunately, although it is 'our' club, none of it belongs to us, therefore we have limited power as stakeholders. All we can do is withdraw our support, and that ultimately only harms us as fans.

Yes, well consider me withdrawing any financial support towards the club.

Im not a billionaire like our Stevey, and im not fortunate to have a billionaire father like Jon.

Every pound I have means something, and I can think of a better use for it then to support these clowns that are running the club, and who have such contempt for fans. I cannot continue to support the way the club is run. (and im not just talking about the appointment of Holden)

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3 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Yes, well consider me withdrawing any financial support towards the club.

Im not a billionaire like our Stevey, and im not fortunate to have a billionaire father like Jon.

Every pound I have means something, and I can think of a better use for it then to support these clowns that are running the club, and who have such contempt for fans. I cannot continue to support the way the club is run. (and im not just talking about the appointment of Holden)

It's a hard world but that's the only way to show your contempt for them. I get the 'Well it hurts our club '  ' it's the club that suffers ' etc etc, but their lifeblood is their fans. Take it from someone like me that has been going down there 62 + years, sponsored the supporters club in the 70's, got friends who were 51 club members and friends of main sponsors, I don't say that just as a throw away statement. I have LOVED supporting this football club but if people cant see through the smoking mirrors, well, what more can you say.

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Absolute joke of an appointment. 
 

Am I surprised however? No.

 

As a club, our track record is to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory and this appointment only solidifies that. 
 

Clear to see we are NOT the priority to Bristol Sport. 

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22 hours ago, Rocky said:

Cycled down AG about an hour ago, absolutely empty and no life down there at all. 
 

They are all hiding in the underground bunkers....to scared to come out and face the fans! 

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We have to give the new coaches a chance, if we get good results and performances on the pitch all the grumbling will be forgotten. I never expected to get a big name when LJ left given what's happened with previous appointments under SL

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Chris Hughton thread now down to page 3 - looks like we have resigned ourselves to this over the weekend :(

Just a part of me, albeit a small part (no jokes please!), was hoping there might be a surprise - but I think I have now fallen in line with the lowered expectation.

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3 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

I genuinely feel sick about this appointment. I just can’t fathom how we can get it so, so wrong. 

Out of likes and can’t like this enough, exactly how I feel. 

After that rhetoric from SL we get Holden? What a farce. 

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Explaining to my Cardiff City work colleague today who it’s likely to be his words was “didn’t you try the promoting from within before, and failed” along with laughing, fills me with even more confidence. 

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