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5 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Not sure if this the right thread and not read some of the recent posts so sorry if covered already but fair play to whoever wrote the Supporters’ Trust Statement. Really well worded, diplomatic but to the point and certainly reflects whet I feel.

👏 Same here

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DH knows he wasn't the popular choice (understatement I know!) but appears to have a strong amount of goodwill behind him in the "Deano is a top bloke" kind of way.  I'd echo those sentiments...he comes across as an honest straightforward guy.  It's also clear that the current discontent isn't aimed at him directly, he's merely a byproduct of it which will work in his favour (or at least not against him) in the very short term.  He also must know that he's unlikely to get many (any?) more chances like this so he has to be pretty determined to go play the kind of attacking football which will placate some and change the minds of others.  Especially as he may only have a short window in which to try and make his mark. 

Totally respect those who have declared that they intend to walk away etc. I totally get it.  I'm also certainly not endorsing the decision but I am intrigued to see what an honest guy with a massive point to prove who's clearly gonna bust his balls to make it a success will do.  He may fail, whatever that means, but I'll be amazed if it isn't a less turgid brand of football than LJ finished with and if it does fail it won't be for the lack of effort from DH.  I'm confident of that much. 

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3 hours ago, RUSSEL85 said:

Is it even a mediocre appointment? 

Well I am trying to put a brave face on it. 

Yes it's mediocre. It's underwhelming. Below average.... Like the identify of our football club. We welcome mediocre. 

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I can't ever remember being less excited about a managerial appointment (well, maybe apart from chip shop owner Tony Fawthrop) and more pessimistic about City's chances in the season to come.

Fits perfectly with 2020 I suppose.

A shocker of a year, and a shocker of a balls-up by the club.

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2 hours ago, !james said:

Ashton confirmed Holden signed off Korey Smith being released

To be honest Jim, I dont have a problem with this. A decision on Korey had to be made. He made it. He has to stand by it. 

This is one that will make or break you as a manager. Personally I think it's a mistake to get rid of him. Korey is exactly the type of player he will need to rely on. 

I hear Walsh, Morrell and Massengo as being the next step. I don't think they are ready. There is only 1 manager in the championship that would consider that partnership to be battle hardened and ready for 40 odd games and that's DH. Probably that opinion has been given to him from MA. 

Hence why he has been hired. Too a man there wouldn't be any other manager that would be willing to build a team round the

Hope you are well mate. 

Stevo

 

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46 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Can we not call him ‘Deano’? Far too pally and unprofessional. The sort of over-familiarity and friendliness I’m worried will rub off on players.

Despite him having been on the bench for 4 years he's been such an anonymous figure its never occurred to me to call him anything!

Deano is naff though.

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6 hours ago, Red white and red said:

Impressed with his 5 games in charge? We beat 2 shite teams in Hull and Middlesbrough, got dominated by stoke, never looked like doing anything against Swansea and the Preston game was a typical, mid-table, dour, end of season affair.

What impressed you?

just admit you’re on the wind up! 

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6 hours ago, SDBS36 said:

Lansdown wanted a fresh face with fresh ideals to take on to the next step of the promised land

Think he's failed in my opinion, think we all knew it would be the easy option of appointing Dean, waste of time sacking Lee, truly hope I,m wrong but think it's going to be a struggle and I now lost my love of the club and will not be renewing my season tickets

People saying they were impressed with his 5 games in charge, beat 2 relegation contenders, drew 1 and lost 2, not that impressive

Feel free to slate me but am very down knowing we could have had a manager like CH or even PC and have ended up with DH, just feels like the club has no ambition and we have been ripped off again


I was.  Wasn’t perfect.  I’ve posted lots on here why.  Happy for you to disagree.

Was actually 5 games, 2 wins, 2 draws and one defeat.  I really get frustrated by “beat relegation candidates”.  Those teams were scrapping for their lives....the teams that usually beat us....one of them a Warnock team, he will have ingrained it into his Boro team how important it was to beat that “cheating Bristol club”.  Never take for granted any point (or three) earned in the Championship.

A draw against Stoke, who then went on to beat Brentford and stuff Forest.  It looked a tired performance from both sides, but we weren’t dominated, we have 64% possession, we made 550 passes  at 83% success, followed by 513 versus Swansea at 85%.  Our average for the season was 362 at 78% under LJ.  Only once this season did an LJ team manage 500+ passes.

I admit we weren’t clinical with our final ball,but that can be worked on.

6 hours ago, ZiderEyed said:

Couldn't agree more. Dean Holden comes across as a top bloke - I've met him twice, but both times he was willing to speak candidly with me, and clearly backs himself. I'd love for him to be a huge success at City, and I'd genuinely feel bad if it went horribly wrong in the next six months for him. 

Agree, spoken to him a few times, a couple of times at real length about all sorts (not liquorice).  He will be judged on player ins and outs and results....not now.

3 hours ago, WayOutWest said:

To be honest Jim, I dont have a problem with this. A decision on Korey had to be made. He made it. He has to stand by it. 

This is one that will make or break you as a manager. Personally I think it's a mistake to get rid of him. Korey is exactly the type of player he will need to rely on. 

I hear Walsh, Morrell and Massengo as being the next step. I don't think they are ready. There is only 1 manager in the championship that would consider that partnership to be battle hardened and ready for 40 odd games and that's DH. Probably that opinion has been given to him from MA. 

Hence why he has been hired. Too a man there wouldn't be any other manager that would be willing to build a team round the

Hope you are well mate. 

Stevo

 

You would imagine letting Korey go gives scope to go and get the central midfielder we need.  It seems clear that 352 is his system so we will play 3 CMs of varying roles.  It will be a squad game with condensed fixtures, especially if we progress in cups.

We have Morrell, Nagy, Walsh, Massengo competing for 2 of the roles predominantly.  I think this is where we will look to get our equivalent of Dale Stephens / Will Vaulks type CM.  I do not think it will be Vyner.

And we have Paterson, Palmer and Szmodics for the other spot.

Had Smith re-signed, I think it really would close the door on bringing in a new CM.

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

 

Benjamin Bloom- his take always worth a listen.

Fair play, the guy looks like he should be the lead singer in Nickelback (and that's not a compliment) but that's a very good summary.

 

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24 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

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I was.  Wasn’t perfect.  I’ve posted lots on here why.  Happy for you to disagree.

Was actually 5 games, 2 wins, 2 draws and one defeat.  I really get frustrated by “beat relegation candidates”.  Those teams were scrapping for their lives....the teams that usually beat us....one of them a Warnock team, he will have ingrained it into his Boro team how important it was to beat that “cheating Bristol club”.  Never take for granted any point (or three) earned in the Championship.

A draw against Stoke, who then went on to beat Brentford and stuff Forest.  It looked a tired performance from both sides, but we weren’t dominated, we have 64% possession, we made 550 passes  at 83% success, followed by 513 versus Swansea at 85%.  Our average for the season was 362 at 78% under LJ.  Only once this season did an LJ team manage 500+ passes.

I admit we weren’t clinical with our final ball,but that can be worked on.

Agree, spoken to him a few times, a couple of times at real length about all sorts (not liquorice).  He will be judged on player ins and outs and results....not now.

You would imagine letting Korey go gives scope to go and get the central midfielder we need.  It seems clear that 352 is his system so we will play 3 CMs of varying roles.  It will be a squad game with condensed fixtures, especially if we progress in cups.

We have Morrell, Nagy, Walsh, Massengo competing for 2 of the roles predominantly.  I think this is where we will look to get our equivalent of Dale Stephens / Will Vaulks type CM.  I do not think it will be Vyner.

And we have Paterson, Palmer and Szmodics for the other spot.

Had Smith re-signed, I think it really would close the door on bringing in a new CM.

Perhaps this could be a case of better the devil you know. With KS you know exactly what you are getting. He can be leaned on in so many different ways.

I am sure they have a succession plan. (.... Well you hope they have a succession plan)

Interesting times ahead for sure. 

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Lets judge holden on results,

he deserves that much,

let's also not forget being lied too by our owner and ceo, they have a lot of making up to do,

I dont think they will ever fully win back the trust of supporters after this sadly, definitely not mine 

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1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

Lets judge holden on results,

he deserves that much,

let's also not forget being lied too by our owner and ceo, they have a lot of making up to do,

I dont think they will ever fully win back the trust of supporters after this sadly, definitely not mine 

I think you're right. For any fans that didn't already have a lot of skepticism about the Lansdowns/Ashton most probably do now. 

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7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

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I was.  Wasn’t perfect.  I’ve posted lots on here why.  Happy for you to disagree.

Was actually 5 games, 2 wins, 2 draws and one defeat.  I really get frustrated by “beat relegation candidates”.  Those teams were scrapping for their lives....the teams that usually beat us....one of them a Warnock team, he will have ingrained it into his Boro team how important it was to beat that “cheating Bristol club”.  Never take for granted any point (or three) earned in the Championship.

A draw against Stoke, who then went on to beat Brentford and stuff Forest.  It looked a tired performance from both sides, but we weren’t dominated, we have 64% possession, we made 550 passes  at 83% success, followed by 513 versus Swansea at 85%.  Our average for the season was 362 at 78% under LJ.  Only once this season did an LJ team manage 500+ passes.

I admit we weren’t clinical with our final ball,but that can be worked on.

Agree, spoken to him a few times, a couple of times at real length about all sorts (not liquorice).  He will be judged on player ins and outs and results....not now.

You would imagine letting Korey go gives scope to go and get the central midfielder we need.  It seems clear that 352 is his system so we will play 3 CMs of varying roles.  It will be a squad game with condensed fixtures, especially if we progress in cups.

We have Morrell, Nagy, Walsh, Massengo competing for 2 of the roles predominantly.  I think this is where we will look to get our equivalent of Dale Stephens / Will Vaulks type CM.  I do not think it will be Vyner.

And we have Paterson, Palmer and Szmodics for the other spot.

Had Smith re-signed, I think it really would close the door on bringing in a new CM.

Imagine having to rely on Palmer, Szmodics, Nagy and Massengo to get you promoted. 

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1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

Lets judge holden on results,

he deserves that much,

let's also not forget being lied too by our owner and ceo, they have a lot of making up to do,

I dont think they will ever fully win back the trust of supporters after this sadly, definitely not mine 

If Holden does badly Lansdown will have to sack MA. Otherwise can see it getting very ugly. 

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7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

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I was.  Wasn’t perfect.  I’ve posted lots on here why.  Happy for you to disagree.

Was actually 5 games, 2 wins, 2 draws and one defeat.  I really get frustrated by “beat relegation candidates”.  Those teams were scrapping for their lives....the teams that usually beat us....one of them a Warnock team, he will have ingrained it into his Boro team how important it was to beat that “cheating Bristol club”.  Never take for granted any point (or three) earned in the Championship.

A draw against Stoke, who then went on to beat Brentford and stuff Forest.  It looked a tired performance from both sides, but we weren’t dominated, we have 64% possession, we made 550 passes  at 83% success, followed by 513 versus Swansea at 85%.  Our average for the season was 362 at 78% under LJ.  Only once this season did an LJ team manage 500+ passes.

I admit we weren’t clinical with our final ball,but that can be worked on.

Agree, spoken to him a few times, a couple of times at real length about all sorts (not liquorice).  He will be judged on player ins and outs and results....not now.

You would imagine letting Korey go gives scope to go and get the central midfielder we need.  It seems clear that 352 is his system so we will play 3 CMs of varying roles.  It will be a squad game with condensed fixtures, especially if we progress in cups.

We have Morrell, Nagy, Walsh, Massengo competing for 2 of the roles predominantly.  I think this is where we will look to get our equivalent of Dale Stephens / Will Vaulks type CM.  I do not think it will be Vyner.

And we have Paterson, Palmer and Szmodics for the other spot.

Had Smith re-signed, I think it really would close the door on bringing in a new CM.

Agree with a lot you say Dave.

How many people on here expected us to beat Warnock's Boro? Everything pointed to a defeat didn't it? We had nothing to play for in most people's eyes, Warnock new in the job and Boro fighting for survival. I expected us to get beat. That is a good result and shouldn't be downplayed by being relegation candidates, they beat Millwall away the game before us (admittedly maybe not the same prospect as if they'd had a full ground)

I wouldn't say I was blown away by the performances in those games with DH, but they were a marked improvement and a bit more freedom was clearly offered to the players.

Personally my thoughts on this appointment have changed the more I've had time to think about it. I think it could be a really positive decision.

No-one seems to have considered that perhaps the reason for the delay is that the board did their interview process expecting to name Hughton/Cook or similar but Holden applied and they offered him an interview out of respect for the work he's done. They'll know Dean a lot better than any of us will and whether he was a plausible candidate or not even worth the time to interview and that's how a lot of companies go about recruitment (admittedly football is different)

Perhaps DH interviewed or presented himself in a way that actually surprised the board? Maybe they hadn't expected such a strong interview from him and hence they had to reconsider their thinking? If he's come to the interview with a detailed analysis of what went right, what went wrong, areas of the team that need improving and how he sees that happening, a list of potential staff to work with him (lets make no mistake, those appointments arent random - some serious thinking has gone into that from someone!) then maybe he's earned this shot?

Let's consider that DH has been here long enough to know the players very well. He will have watched the way LJ handled players, and perhaps seen the fall outs and the mishandling. Now we all know LJ has more than a little ego to him and based on the David Noble podcast his dad wasn't a brilliant man-manager (comments about treating everyone the same and some didnt react well to that) and LJ's own comments lead me to believe he comes from a bit of the old-school management style himself.

Perhaps DH is thinking actually, we have a really talented bunch of lads who do actually look bloody good in training but then when it comes to match day are frozen in fear of doing wrong, or just pure confusion at what LJ has been asking of them? If he has that rapport with the more isolated players e.g. KP, and knows how to talk to them and get the best out of them then that could go a long way.

I'm actually a little more optimistic about this than I was a week or so ago. I also liked that he acknowledged how difficult his position is and the lack of support - though make no mistake any anger should be directed at the board and NOT at DH. DH should be supported by the fans, its in all of our interests for him to do well.

Bring on the season IMO, and if we can hit the ground running with some good results before the fans hopefully start returning late in the year he might have earned a bit of the supporters trust back

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7 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

Imagine having to rely on Palmer, Szmodics, Nagy and Massengo to get you promoted. 

No worries. 

We've got CoD who’ll be in there with his battling play, brilliant distribution, heading ability, leadership qualities and regular goals/assists. He’s the dominant midfield general we’ve been looking for during the past 4 years.  

After all, why else did MA offer him a lucrative extension to his contract? 

We’ll be just fine.

Trust Mark, he’s our football man and with an army of analysts,  what could possibly go wrong. 

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11 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

Imagine having to rely on Palmer, Szmodics, Nagy and Massengo to get you promoted. 

Palmer who's been promoted to the Prem, Massengo who has played champions league football and Nagy who is an internation footballer. Far worse options around...

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6 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Palmer who's been promoted to the Prem, Massengo who has played champions league football and Nagy who is an internation footballer. Far worse options around...

Lee. Give up mate.

 

Your midfield ‘mix’ was the worst I’ve witnessed in watching football. Load of lightweight headless chickens, who couldn’t put a tackle in to save their lives, let alone manage to successfully deliver an accurate forward pass to a team mate. A won header and a goal, but a distant memory. 

Hopeless. Rip it up and start againi

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15 minutes ago, samo II said:

Be interesting to see how quick and how we move in the market now.

Wonder if we have people lined up or we start from scratch now.

Not a huge amount of time available.

We’ve got 9 weeks ish so hopefully should be okay, dean should have a clear idea of the type of player he’s after 

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2 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Lee. Give up mate.

 

Your midfield ‘mix’ was the worst I’ve witnessed in watching football. Load of lightweight headless chickens, who couldn’t put a tackle in to save their lives, let alone manage to successfully deliver an accurate forward pass to a team mate. A won header and a goal, but a distant memory. 

Hopeless. Rip it up and start againi

the problem with this was they were instructed not to put a tackle in, they were instructed to sit back and wait for a mistake until the final 5 games of the season

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