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4 minutes ago, Redpool said:

If we go down this route. I'm confident we will have a relegation battle on our hands. 

I don't think we should discount Holden's feelings in all of this.

Yes he may have applied and been interviewed, but having seen the mass disappointment and anger from City fans all over social media at the thought of him being appointed, he may well have second thoughts.

Hopefully, he is not as arrogant and stubborn as Lee and would really not feel like walking into a job where he is not wanted by thousands of fans. 

I would look elsewhere if I were him.

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22 minutes ago, YGBjammy said:

Regarding Gregor saying there are "2 candidates waiting by the phone"

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Presumably the two candidates are Hughton and Holden, but perhaps seeing as Holden is on holiday maybe Gregor knows there is someone else waiting too?

I’ve heard there’s more than two candidates waiting for a call.

 

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25 minutes ago, mozo said:

Mr Fevs, I conversely found your summary to be grasping a bit too readily for positives, but hey we all see things differently.

no, they were the other (positive) side of the completely negative side put forward by others.  I didn’t say they were huge positives, just positives.  I’ve constantly said it wasn’t perfect / brilliant, but those were the positives (there were a few others I didn’t list too).  It certainly wasn’t shit either as some seem to insist.

For me it showed that he could get a better tune out of the players than we’d seen, with very limited time on the training ground between games.  If others can only see and comment one side of an argument, that’s fine, but I’m not black and white in the way I post, and I’ll continue to try and give balance to the discussion, especially where I feel others are not being balanced.

Can you imagine an LJ side at the time going to Swansea and passing the ball 513 times (85% success) versus Swansea’s 387 (also 85%).  We had patterns, that showed our players in a good light. It broke down with the final bit of quality.

Negatives:

  • slow making subs v Stoke, having gone unchanged
  • poor quality overall in final third

Just to pick your brains (because you always give good answers), which of the candidates or names on the betting would Stoke those fires of rage within you. Were there any that would really give you the hump?
difficult to say.  Depends massively on the way it’s sold to us as fans, and whether I believe the message.

I’ve been consistent all the way through...Hughton is my number 1. Holden is down the list.

no-no’s for me are Pulis and Warnock (had he not got Boro).  Flynn I would take a helluva lot of convincing he’s right too.

 

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The main thing that worries me is the squad that Holden will inherit if he takes over. I don't think he's the man for the job but I'll support him.

If there is no money in the coffers and seemingly Fam and Elliason are gone that does leave a very inexperienced team.

In some ways I'm really excited by the prospect of the involvement of loan players coming back and can't wait to see what they can do. On the other hand we've got a very imbalanced team that I think might struggle. All the oldest players that we have that will play a part don't strike me as leaders i.e Wells, Weimann, Baker, Watkins. It just seems like a mix of too much risk. Inexperienced manager at Champ level with young players and limited on pitch leaders could spell disaster. I'd love to be wrong of course!

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1 minute ago, Top Robin said:

I don't think we should discount Holden's feelings in all of this.

Yes he may have applied and been interviewed, but having seen the mass disappointment and anger from City fans all over social media at the thought of him being appointed, he may well have second thoughts.

Hopefully, he is not as arrogant and stubborn as Lee and would really not feel like walking into a job where he is not wanted by thousands of fans. 

I would look elsewhere if I were him.

Totally agree, said something similar in an earlier post. Even though, for the most part, the vitriol isn’t really directed at him, it’s got to hurt. 

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31 minutes ago, YGBjammy said:

Regarding Gregor saying there are "2 candidates waiting by the phone"

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Presumably the two candidates are Hughton and Holden, but perhaps seeing as Holden is on holiday maybe Gregor knows there is someone else waiting too?

Or perhaps he is on holiday with a phone ?

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I haven,t ploughed through 43 pages on the subject of Dean Holden possibly being our new Head Coach,  so i dont know whether this has already been muted,

but how about this for an option if it was acceptable to all parties -  Dean Holden as temporary HC for say

6 months, until Eddie Howe has taken his sabatical who then takes over as our Head Coach with Dean Holden

as his assistant. Maybe i am being naieve but that would work for me.

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IF the main reason for appointing Holden is due to Covid and club potentially having less money (being reliant on “deals”) this year, then why was someone like Hughton interviewed as they would have had an informal chat with his management/team before and surely he wouldn’t have been interested if no/minimal money available. Plus it’s not like Covid has just happened, we were already 4 months into it when LJ was sacked and if this was the case why wasn’t Holden appointed then?

I really hope Gregor (he’s the only source currently) is wrong about Holden and Hughton deal has just been more problematic - they wouldn’t hold off on appointing Holden because he’s on holiday as club will have numerous press/action shots available to use, or he could fly back for what would be a huge opportunity for him. 

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25 minutes ago, RedEd73 said:

The more I think about it the more I'm convinced I'll be Holden.

This is a year unlike any other. Clubs simply can't splash cash or even budget for the next 12 months.

Holden knows the squad. Transfer activity this window is likely to be minimal. He will be prepared to work within the current structure.

12 month contract. See what happens next year.

I hope I'm wrong as we don't have a decent track record of success when promoting from within (Joe Jordan the exception I can recall) but given the global climate I can see the club protecting itself financially as much as possible.

This begs the question why the farcical recruitment process and bull fed us about the new appointment. Due diligence to get the right man. What a joke. Holden's appointment would be a betrayal of the fans yet again by Lansdown. And I wonder what other club will be going for a new manager based on cost as opposed to proven achievement.

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2 minutes ago, brad blit said:

IF the main reason for appointing Holden is due to Covid and club potentially having less money (being reliant on “deals”) this year, then why was someone like Hughton interviewed as they would have had an informal chat with his management/team before and surely he wouldn’t have been interested if no/minimal money available. Plus it’s not like Covid has just happened, we were already 4 months into it when LJ was sacked and if this was the case why wasn’t Holden appointed then?

I really hope Gregor (he’s the only source currently) is wrong about Holden and Hughton deal has just been more problematic - they wouldn’t hold off on appointing Holden because he’s on holiday as club will have numerous press/action shots available to use, or he could fly back for what would be a huge opportunity for him. 

I don’t believe money is the issue.  Think Gregor was trying to give a credible reason why Holden.

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11 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

I'm going out for a run - constant OTIB rabbitholes are doing my nut in! 

don't fall down any when you're out in Bemmie…unless you're running round The Gate…

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12 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

I'm going out for a run - constant OTIB rabbitholes are doing my nut in! 

Have a good one mate. Clear your head and come back ready for more bitterness and disappointment :clapping:

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11 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said:

This begs the question why the farcical recruitment process and bull fed us about the new appointment. Due diligence to get the right man. What a joke. Holden's appointment would be a betrayal of the fans yet again by Lansdown. And I wonder what other club will be going for a new manager based on cost as opposed to proven achievement.

I don't disagree with you. More of a club justification view than anything else.

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20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t believe money is the issue.  Think Gregor was trying to give a credible reason why Holden.

I actually feel sorry for Gregor.  He gets stick for not posting enough, posting too much, not posting the secret identity of the coach, using the wrong font!

When there is news, it will surely be announced.

 

Unless.   They are planning a HUGE PR stunt?

Call a press conference. 

Announce the new coach .... Dean Holden on stage.

Then MA walks up to him ... and rips off the mask to reveal Chris Houghton!

Which will all tie in with a new launch of BCFC player gifs with a Scooby Doo theme

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1 minute ago, soultrader said:

I actually feel sorry for Gregor.  He gets stick for not posting enough, posting too much, not posting the secret identity of the coach, using the wrong font!

When there is news, it will surely be announced.

 

Unless.   They are planning a HUGE PR stunt?

Call a press conference. 

Announce the new coach .... Dean Holden on stage.

Then MA walks up to him ... and rips off the mask to reveal Chris Houghton!

Which will all tie in with a new launch of BCFC player gifs with a Scooby Doo theme

you need to be thick skinned for that job and of he isnt he won't be doing it for long,

He is doing a ok job to be fair its just the shit tip he works for

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6 minutes ago, soultrader said:

I actually feel sorry for Gregor.  He gets stick for not posting enough, posting too much, not posting the secret identity of the coach, using the wrong font!

When there is news, it will surely be announced.

 

Unless.   They are planning a HUGE PR stunt?

Call a press conference. 

Announce the new coach .... Dean Holden on stage.

Then MA walks up to him ... and rips off the mask to reveal Chris Houghton!

Which will all tie in with a new launch of BCFC player gifs with a Scooby Doo theme

Those pesky kids! :facepalm:

Too many Scooby snacks :yawn:

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The money side doesn’t make much sense because surely LJ needs to be paid off? If money was truly an issue could have just kept LJ and made a statement after the season saying because of the situation there will be minimal staffing changes including the players. Or not a statement but can be put across in various interviews. Because to be honest I don’t expect much player movement because of covid. Just some decent deals like Fam and Elisson out because of contract and maybe 1-2 purchases and a free/loan player here and there. 

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14 minutes ago, soultrader said:

I actually feel sorry for Gregor.  He gets stick for not posting enough, posting too much, not posting the secret identity of the coach, using the wrong font!

When there is news, it will surely be announced.

 

Unless.   They are planning a HUGE PR stunt?

Call a press conference. 

Announce the new coach .... Dean Holden on stage.

Then MA walks up to him ... and rips off the mask to reveal Chris Houghton!

Which will all tie in with a new launch of BCFC player gifs with a Scooby Doo theme

Nah Mission Impossible style with the voice modulator and everything, does the press conference as Holden then takes off the mask just before walking out

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2 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Nah Mission Impossible style with the voice modulator and everything, does the press conference as Holden then takes off the mask just before walking out

on a motorbike!

For extra pazaaz

 

 

Or alternatively could just let DH and CH duel it out?

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On the finance side, perhaps we were waiting for the EFL to confirm a suspension of FFP for 2019/20 and 2020/21.....but we've now got wind that this is unlikely (Ashton has close ties) and consequently we need to cut our cloth accordingly?

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1 minute ago, RedEd73 said:

On the finance side, perhaps we were waiting for the EFL to confirm a suspension of FFP for 2019/20 and 2020/21.....but we've now got wind that this is unlikely (Ashton has close ties) and consequently we need to cut our cloth accordingly?

Vote on salary cap delayed until Friday.

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Holden would surely have been announced by now or are City waiting for a bad news day!! I can only see him being appointed if we have explored every avenue of interest to the club and there being no alternative, nice feeling for Dean if that happens.

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21 minutes ago, cheshire_red said:

Holden would surely have been announced by now or are City waiting for a bad news day!! I can only see him being appointed if we have explored every avenue of interest to the club and there being no alternative, nice feeling for Dean if that happens.

Maybe SL and MA are waiting to see what present DH brings them back from his holiday?

Crap pressie = P45

Good pressie = Gold Pen for signing a shiny new contract

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