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2 minutes ago, redordead1 said:

God help us if JL is an active part of this process. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if he handed Gerrard or CH his crayons and asked for an autograph. 

Which probably would make them more likely to sign - as they knew they had the upper hand on the chairman from day one.

I think the truth is pretty close to what @Kid in the Riot has said. It’s SLs decision. And SLs Achilles heel has always been (in a football sense) needing to appoint people he likes. I’d imagine it was different in part at HL, but even there, as at any company, the board and high level have to at least superficially get on.

The way I see it is that SL wants to protect and help the people he likes - he did that with LJ, Tins - and now it looks like he may do it with DH. There’s a lot admirable about that - but unlike in HL, where there are multiple other managers and the brokers themselves working independently to get results, in football if you appoint someone you like as boss it’s all on him. And if it’s the wrong man (not saying Holden is), it’s very difficult to pull back.

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16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Of course he can, so are you suggesting SL is influencing MA in terms of who he recommends?

JL is also a member of the board and literally involved in short-listing candidates. SL confirmed this in his Talksport interview with Jim White. So, yes, it's a fair assumption to make that SL is part of/influencing the recruitment process, either through Jon, or more directly. 

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1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said:

JL is also a member of the board and literally involved in short-listing candidates. SL confirmed this in his Talksport interview with Jim White. So, yes, it's a fair assumption to make that SL is part of/influencing the recruitment process, either through Jon, or more directly. 

Surely Ashton would present pros and cons for each individual to SL to make a final decision ?

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1 hour ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

I am not ITK, I like many others on the forum am concerned following on from Gregor's latest article as it indicates that it's close to completion. It may be that the club have asked him to post this to test the water. It may also be total guesswork. 

However if there's is an element of truth to it. Then the blame lies with MA. 

I owe you an apology, I hadn’t read the forum today before I answered your post earlier. So didn’t realise it was all DH talk, and the strong rumours of his appointment. 

After reading the forum, I now understand why you have these concerns 👍

I must admit I’m as confused as you and many others as to why SL would go down this route .....again. 

 

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1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

MA is conducting the recruitment process along with JL. I would have thought SL himself would be present in the final interviews, either in person, or on video link.

MA can make all the recommendations he likes. The decision rests with the Lansdowns, and he knows it. 

@Kid in the Riot is Gregor on the money or are we all wetting ourselves over nothing fella?

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1 minute ago, ScottishRed said:

I think that may only be the start.

And, the blame lies with the owner and his comments on LJ being fired.

He cannot keep treating us like fools.

What if....just what if...the board really thought that Dean Holden was the best man for the job in current circumstances? Maybe his brief is t really bed in the young players this season when the transfer budget may be very low and there is not even the guarantee of decent income through the gate.  Maybe, just maybe someone on high is playing a longer game.

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12 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

What if....just what if...the board really thought that Dean Holden was the best man for the job in current circumstances? Maybe his brief is t really bed in the young players this season when the transfer budget may be very low and there is not even the guarantee of decent income through the gate.  Maybe, just maybe someone on high is playing a longer game.

Hang on a minute.

When LJ was fired the owner made his statement regarding promotion etc. That does not support the young player argument 

At that point Covid was here, are you suggesting that the club had not done the work on that impact? 

It is simply an excuse to cover the fact the  owner and his son, along with Ashton wish to have total control.

Personally, I think we have a good enough squad that could make the play offs with the right management.

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Just now, ScottishRed said:

Hang on a minute.

When LJ was fired the owner made his statement regarding promotion etc. That does not support the young player argument 

At that point Covid was here, are you suggesting that the club had not done the work on that impact? 

It is simply an excuse to cover the fact the  owner and his son, along with Ashton wish to have total control.

Personally, I think we have a good enough squad that could make the play offs with the right management.

I am not suggesting anything. But what if the price tag for some of the other contenders was huge and would get in the way of player purchases?  We don't even know if we can have fans in the Gat next year.  The thinking may just have developed that we have some outstanding young players and if we could bring them on to the extent that we had a real chance next season, when we may be able to supplement the squad from trading. I have no more idea than any of the other guesswork on this forum - but my postings are normally quite positive and not loaded with the hatred and resentment shown by some of our colleagues .

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2 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

I am not suggesting anything. But what if the price tag for some of the other contenders was huge and would get in the way of player purchases?  We don't even know if we can have fans in the Gat next year.  The thinking may just have developed that we have some outstanding young players and if we could bring them on to the extent that we had a real chance next season, when we may be able to supplement the squad from trading. I have no more idea than any of the other guesswork on this forum - but my postings are normally quite positive and not loaded with the hatred and resentment shown by some of our colleagues .

We need to start paying a larger portion of the budget on a decent manager.  If it means cutting down the squad size or not getting player A or B then so be it. But this club is crying out for a proven manager, not another gamble. 

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The Robins are 12th after Saturday's loss to sixth-placed Cardiff City, who are now nine points above them.

Chief executive Mark Ashton said, while there had been some "special moments" under Johnson, "change" was needed.

"We recognise the huge amount of work that Lee has put in over the last four and a half years to move this club forward and we thank him for all his efforts," added Ashton.

"However, success in football is ultimately judged by results and league position and the board believes that a change of management is needed now for Bristol City."

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Just now, southvillekiddy said:

The Robins are 12th after Saturday's loss to sixth-placed Cardiff City, who are now nine points above them.

Chief executive Mark Ashton said, while there had been some "special moments" under Johnson, "change" was needed.

"We recognise the huge amount of work that Lee has put in over the last four and a half years to move this club forward and we thank him for all his efforts," added Ashton.

"However, success in football is ultimately judged by results and league position and the board believes that a change of management is needed now for Bristol City."

Says it all.

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1 minute ago, lenred said:

We need to start paying a larger portion of the budget on a decent manager.  If it means cutting down the squad size or not getting player A or B then so be it. But this club is crying out for a proven manager, not another gamble. 

Its a view. But what if they REALLY think that Dean Holden is both talented and capable?

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8 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

I am not suggesting anything. But what if the price tag for some of the other contenders was huge and would get in the way of player purchases?  We don't even know if we can have fans in the Gat next year.  The thinking may just have developed that we have some outstanding young players and if we could bring them on to the extent that we had a real chance next season, when we may be able to supplement the squad from trading. I have no more idea than any of the other guesswork on this forum - but my postings are normally quite positive and not loaded with the hatred and resentment shown by some of our colleagues .

The price tag wasn’t a barrier to Gerrard. If the club suggest Holden’s appointment (if it is even made) was down to finances they will be lying to us.

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3 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

No hatred or resentment here.

I think you need to remember what industry our owner made his money.

I dont belive for one second the numbers have not been processed. 

Given that we were prepared to make Gerrard the highest paid Championship manager alllegedly, your argument holds no water.

Holds no water except that someone may have said, " wait a minute, instead of paying all that cash for a manager, we could keep Dean and buy a player who could make a real difference to our young squad".   That might be a possibility.

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Just now, Bat Fastard said:

Its a view. But what if they REALLY think that Dean Holden is both talented and capable?

Based upon what though?  He was an instrumental part of the management team that in their eyes has already failed.  It would be a massive massive gamble with the odds very much stacked against any success at all and frankly would make no sense whatsoever.  

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1 minute ago, windmillhillred said:

The price tag wasn’t a barrier to Gerrard. If the club suggest Holden’s appointment (if it is even made) was down to finances they will be lying to us.

Lying doesn't come into it - there is probably a lively debate doing on, and minds will be changed.

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1 minute ago, lenred said:

Based upon what though?  He was an instrumental part of the management team that in their eyes has already failed.  It would be a massive massive gamble with the odds very much stacked against any success at all and frankly would make no sense whatsoever.  

We don't know if there were tensions in the coaching team and that the board do not really rate Dean Holden. Everyone is thinking he is not up to the job - but we don't get to see him work over a four year period.

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1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said:

We don't know if there were tensions in the coaching team and that the board do not really rate Dean Holden. Everyone is thinking he is not up to the job - but we don't get to see him work over a four year period.

We have seen the results of his key involvement of the last 4 years and it wasn’t deemed good enough. If you believe they really think he’s the right man for the job then fair play to you but it’s mind boggling to most people - if it’s true of course.  

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1 minute ago, lenred said:

We have seen the results of his key involvement of the last 4 years and it wasn’t deemed good enough. If you believe they really think he’s the right man for the job then fair play to you but it’s mind boggling to most people - if it’s true of course.  

I have no idea whether or not he will be any good if appointed - but neither do others on this forum.  They start with the belief that SL known nothing about football and that MA and JL are useless or worse and that Dean Holden could not possibly be a viable candidate.  Nobody can possible really know all that stuff, it is just opinion and in most cases bile.  I have an open mind and believe that the board are talented and decent people, who are quite likely to make a decent decision. It does not mean that they are perfect or cannot make mistakes, but I have a degree of faith in them.

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