cheshire_red Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 The Windmill Community Pub Fundraiser story on the BBC Details of the Community fundraiser. Already over £100k raised. Mods please leave here for 24 hours ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, cheshire_red said: The Windmill Community Pub Fundraiser story on the BBC Details of the Community fundraiser. Already over £100k raised. Mods please leave here for 24 hours ta. How do we own a slice ? Is it via shares ? Is it tied into a particular brewery ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted August 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 No it would be owned by the Community Tone, No ties at all to any brewery. Click the second link to find out how to purchase shares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Great boozer. The owners marketed the pub at a ridiculous price then when it didn’t sell, applied for planning for residential which they nearly got. Their asking price for the pub is way overpriced, as a pub. Good luck to the locals but if they pay that price they are overpaying. They’d be better off proving the pub isn’t worth the asking price and forcing the price down, so that if they did purchase, it would be a more viable proposition. Or, if the owners refused to sell at a lower price the community group would have more ammunition to prevent the owners getting planning, having expressed an interest in purchasing as a pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grubby Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 Locals should be applying for a ACV, would stop any development for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, grubby said: Locals should be applying for a ACV, would stop any development for years no it doesn't- that's just a misconception and is nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 "I have walked my dogs in that pub for years". There. Bang goes their chance of redeveloping for housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted August 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: no it doesn't- that's just a misconception and is nonsense Actually it's not nonsense. It does protect the pub for five years. However should the owner wish to sell the community have a month to decide if they wish to buy and a further five months to raise the money. The owner thereafter does not have to sell to the community if they don't want to but the new owner still has to abide by the ACV. It is definitely worth applying an ACV on any threatened pub and is easy to apply for. https://campaignforpubs.org.uk/how-to-stop-pubs-closing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 36 minutes ago, cheshire_red said: Actually it's not nonsense. It does protect the pub for five years. However should the owner wish to sell the community have a month to decide if they wish to buy and a further five months to raise the money. The owner thereafter does not have to sell to the community if they don't want to but the new owner still has to abide by the ACV. It is definitely worth applying an ACV on any threatened pub and is easy to apply for. https://campaignforpubs.org.uk/how-to-stop-pubs-closing/ An ACV is easy but time consuming to apply for, I've done it, but bizarrely it is possible for the owners of a pub listed as an ACV to nevertheless obtain planning permission to convert to residential. To expand on your point, the sole purpose of an ACV is to give the community first dibs to purchase at the asking price if the pub goes up for sale, it doesn't prevent anything else and doesn't give any other protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, cheshire_red said: Actually it's not nonsense. It does protect the pub for five years. However should the owner wish to sell the community have a month to decide if they wish to buy and a further five months to raise the money. The owner thereafter does not have to sell to the community if they don't want to but the new owner still has to abide by the ACV. It is definitely worth applying an ACV on any threatened pub and is easy to apply for. https://campaignforpubs.org.uk/how-to-stop-pubs-closing/ It is indeed nonsense. An AVC is only relevant if there's a change of use- the group holding the AVC rights don't even have to be informed if the pub is being sold as a pub to anyone. If the group don't complete funding within the 6 months ( and the seller has to agree price in the first place) then they are then locked out and the seller is free to sell elsewhere. It doesn't protect the pub if the group can't raise the funds or agree fair value. Ultimately the whole process relies completely on the Planning Dept of the local authority. If the LA deem that any Pub has a viable future then planning will not be granted.That is the protection. P.s I part own a village Pub with an AVC so am pretty clear as to the rights having studied the Localism law very closely indeed prior to purchase. I often think its a very similar to owning a football club where the fans believe they have acquired certain rights simply by virtue of being a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted August 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 Marina you have got virtually every part of that wrong. Yours Faithfully Secretary Campaign for Pubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 3 hours ago, cheshire_red said: Marina you have got virtually every part of that wrong. Yours Faithfully Secretary Campaign for Pubs Unfortunately its not as straightforward. My local couldn't be more local its next door, and 6 years ago when the new owner, who incidentally is a Grade A manual manipulator, applied for and was given planning for residential, even though I had registered it as an ACV, I did a Judicial Review on Bath & North East Somerset Council, ie took them to court. I won, and therefore recovered the not inconsiderable legal fees, but not because the pub was registered as an ACV. It was a different piece of planning legislation which we (ie me and my solicitor) relied upon. But even now said manual manipulator continues to occupy the pub as a residential property, even though it's designated as a pub. Eventually there will be different ways in which we can enforce the proper planning designation, but for now the ACV status has proved to be utterly useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 8 hours ago, NickJ said: Unfortunately its not as straightforward. My local couldn't be more local its next door, and 6 years ago when the new owner, who incidentally is a Grade A manual manipulator, applied for and was given planning for residential, even though I had registered it as an ACV, I did a Judicial Review on Bath & North East Somerset Council, ie took them to court. I won, and therefore recovered the not inconsiderable legal fees, but not because the pub was registered as an ACV. It was a different piece of planning legislation which we (ie me and my solicitor) relied upon. But even now said manual manipulator continues to occupy the pub as a residential property, even though it's designated as a pub. Eventually there will be different ways in which we can enforce the proper planning designation, but for now the ACV status has proved to be utterly useless. Which is my point. The only real protection is planning- the ACV just buys time. Well done on the JR though- big gamble with grown up money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 Think I got this right from earlier broadcast on Radio Bristol on Wednesday 19 August which is the last day of the funding request Of the £300,000 pounds needed approx 145,000 has been raised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhitepurple Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 Nope. Typical left wing hippy thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, Redwhitepurple said: Nope. Typical left wing hippy thing What, wanting time save a local pub and hub of the community is a ‘typical left wing hippy thing’? Of course silly me - no right wing / conservative / MOR / Liberal people who are non hippies enjoy such things do they? What a complete load of crap. Why do so many people have to turn everything in this country into politics - drives me nuts. Nothing to do with football though so rant over and I’ll leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 https://www.bristol247.com/food-and-drink/pubs-and-bars/much-missed-south-bristol-pub-to-be-turned-into-flats/?utm_source=Bristol24%2F7&utm_campaign=0b9fef2577-bristol247_newsletter_17.11.20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_67a9a4e1bd-0b9fef2577-38758697&mc_cid=0b9fef2577&mc_eid=86ae7efe71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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