Sheltons Army Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Probably a prudent move if, as speculated, we’re not looking to go wild in the transfer market. Experienced, can play a variety of positions and is a solid player at this level. Totally agree At worst , a good solid honest pro If we were to end up in a dogfight it wouldn't be because we've given Korey a new deal And we would need him And with recent events , if we let him go , who do people seriously think we are going to replace him with (If we could get him, which I doubt , and afford him , Harrison Reid would be an outstanding signing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Oh - when I opened this thread I expected to see that Kory was being lined up for the Head Coach job I love Korey but he hasn’t been the same player since his injury and isn’t getting any younger either. I’ve a feeling we’ve seen the best of him already, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Totally agree At worst , a good solid honest pro If we were to end up in a dogfight it wouldn't be because we've given Korey a new deal And we would need him And with recent events , if we let him go , who do people seriously think we are going to replace him with (If we could get him, which I doubt , and afford him , Harrison Reid would be an outstanding signing) I would prefer to see people like Morrell, Walsh and Massengo player over Smith but I think he’s good to have around. He can also play right back if needed which could be important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Totally agree At worst , a good solid honest pro If we were to end up in a dogfight it wouldn't be because we've given Korey a new deal And we would need him And with recent events , if we let him go , who do people seriously think we are going to replace him with (If we could get him, which I doubt , and afford him , Harrison Reid would be an outstanding signing) Sam Morsy is probably a good comparison with Smith & an upgrade, would be cheap to get as well. Harison Reed is a midfieder on a whole different level to what we have had for many, many years. Would love us to sign him, but then again so would 24 other championship teams and probably 2 or 3 prem teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BOSRed said: Personally think we should be moving on from smith who would undoubtedly be on high wages compared to others at the club. Given we have some good young midfielders at the club, he would only block the pathway plus his wages could go to better use. I actually doubt he is one of the high earners at all. His contract history is as follows: signed for us in June 14 whilst we were in Lg1 signed a 3 year deal in July 2016 (end June 19) our first season back up. We weren’t paying anything like the wages we are paying now signed a 1 year extension in Nov 18 (end June 20) whilst injured on the same terms as his existing contract. LJ gave it to him so he didn’t try to rush his rehab by coming back too soon to earn a new deal. So he’s currently on the same wages as he was on in 2016. Amongst the senior / experienced pros I suspect he is the lowest paid! Maybe Holden has plans for Nagy to leave, or Nagy himself? One to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Hankey said: Sam Morsy is probably a good comparison with Smith & an upgrade, would be cheap to get as well. Harison Reed is a midfieder on a whole different level to what we have had for many, many years. Would love us to sign him, but then again so would 24 other championship teams and probably 2 or 3 prem teams. Agree o both points Weve sniffed arouind Harrison for 2/3 yrs and a shame we didnt get him One of my players of season in Champ - outstanding every time I saw him Weve also looked at Morsy before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 I think some fans need to wise up to the situation. We won’t be spending money if we don’t have too. Makes sense to offer Korey a new deal. Good player still and essentially a free signing. Would cost decent money to replace. Money we will not be spending. Everyone slagging the club for this will be thankful for him soon enough when the situation dawns on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I would prefer to see people like Morrell, Walsh and Massengo player over Smith but I think he’s good to have around. He can also play right back if needed which could be important. I’m sure they are going to get plenty of minutes too. But season is going to be condensed, and we do need to make sure the squad is not exposed. I’m 50/50 on it. Need to see how the squad shapes up over the coming weeks before I make my mind up. We don’t even know if Holden is gonna stick with a 532 or not. That might e been a “sticking plaster” system for the 5 games. 3 minutes ago, Mr Hankey said: Sam Morsy is probably a good comparison with Smith & an upgrade, would be cheap to get as well. Harison Reed is a midfieder on a whole different level to what we have had for many, many years. Would love us to sign him, but then again so would 24 other championship teams and probably 2 or 3 prem teams. Morsy is a good comparison indeed. Was linked back in his Chesterfield days. Reed, as you say is a different level. 2 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Agree o both points Weve sniffed arouind Harrison for 2/3 yrs and a shame we didnt get him One of my players of season in Champ - outstanding every time I saw him Weve also looked at Morsy before You beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I think some fans need to wise up to the situation. We won’t be spending money if we don’t have too. Makes sense to offer Korey a new deal. Good player still and essentially a free signing. Would cost decent money to replace. Money we will not be spending. Everyone slagging the club for this will be thankful for him soon enough when the situation dawns on them Not saying the decision on Korey is right, as I said above, I’ll wait until I se how the squad shapes up, but... ....far cheaper to extend a player that go out and buy one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Smith has solid championship experience and as others has said is a leader. Morrell, Walsh, Nagy, HNM are all young. They need an experienced head alongside them, especially if we are playing a midfield 3. This could be a shrewd deal. I'd ideally like to of signed another defensive midfielder, but this is cheaper, he knows the club, the squad and its not a bad signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Extending his contract seems to be a nod to the current financial climate and maybe a taste of whats to come - not a lot of incoming players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 DH the new boss. Afobe gone, Fammy and Eliasson sold. Korey the first name on the teamsheet. No money spent on new signings - scour the market for free transfers. I really can only see one outcome which is back to the usual relegation scrap. Let's hope enough clubs get a points deduction to save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I think some fans need to wise up to the situation. We won’t be spending money if we don’t have too. Makes sense to offer Korey a new deal. Good player still and essentially a free signing. Would cost decent money to replace. Money we will not be spending. Everyone slagging the club for this will be thankful for him soon enough when the situation dawns on them Without the midfield steel we need we won’t be progressing anywhere. We havent had it since we got to the championship so they need to spend somewhere. We’ve got far too may CM’s on the books. I’d only be keeping one of Nagy or Smith leaving them as back up with Massengo to Walsh and the new guy. But I’m in fantasy land. Can’t wait to see our piss weak midfield get walked through game after game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Selred said: Smith has solid championship experience and as others has said is a leader. Morrell, Walsh, Nagy, HNM are all young. They need an experienced head alongside them, especially if we are playing a midfield 3. This could be a shrewd deal. I'd ideally like to of signed another defensive midfielder, but this is cheaper, he knows the club, the squad and its not a bad signing. I think this is right. I find myself a little ambivalent towards Korey signing a new contract. If we don't think we can get the experienced DM we're looking for he is the fall back option. Advantages are that he knows the club, his experience and seems an effective leader who I imagine is good around the dressing room. On the downside I feel, like Pack before him, he has taken us as far as his skill set allows. Useful back up but not for me the one to drive us forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Would people honestly put Morrell, Walsh, Nagy & Massengo in front of Smith? & by that, I mean today, not in a years time. Also, in these uncertain financial times, I would be inclined to at least offer him something as it’s basically a free signing. Would be good for those youngsters I’ve already mentioned to have him around I would say as well. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 I think he’s definitely worth another year. On his day he’s one of our best midfielders. His passing seems to have deteriorated recently but I genuinely think Johnson’s tactics had a lot to do with that. He always made himself available but our lack of clear shape meant he struggled with providing forward passes, something Massengo also struggled with. People talk about Morrell and Walsh like they’re these top quality players who will take the championship by storm next year, in reality they’ve both performed averagely in the championship and excelled in League 1. They have potential but No guarantees. Massengo proved what a tough league it is by often looking out of his depth last year. Nagy is injury prone and inconsistent. Without Smith we don’t actually have a centre Mid who has performed consistently well at this level. He would be a tough player to replace in usual circumstances but in current situation and the inevitable tightening of budgets to let him go would be a ridiculous decision imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: DH the new boss. Afobe gone, Fammy and Eliasson sold. Korey the first name on the teamsheet. No money spent on new signings - scour the market for free transfers. I really can only see one outcome which is back to the usual relegation scrap. Let's hope enough clubs get a points deduction to save us. I think it will come a lot down to who we do bring in. Will get £6-7m for Fam and Elliason. Maybe they will spend half of that on 2-3 players. Need to get all those signings spot on. Will have a decent squad if we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 I think Korey has the one quality that every team needs (apart from his undoubted ability) and that is character. The man is a winner and will set the tone for the younger lads. If you could bottle essence of Korey Smith, it would be very expensive - and all we have to do is extend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bobbie said: I think he’s definitely worth another year. On his day he’s one of our best midfielders. His passing seems to have deteriorated recently but I genuinely think Johnson’s tactics had a lot to do with that. He always made himself available but our lack of clear shape meant he struggled with providing forward passes, something Massengo also struggled with. People talk about Morrell and Walsh like they’re these top quality players who will take the championship by storm next year, in reality they’ve both performed averagely in the championship and excelled in League 1. They have potential but No guarantees. Massengo proved what a tough league it is by often looking out of his depth last year. Nagy is injury prone and inconsistent. Without Smith we don’t actually have a centre Mid who has performed consistently well at this level. He would be a tough player to replace in usual circumstances but in current situation and the inevitable tightening of budgets to let him go would be a ridiculous decision imo. When did Morrell and Walsh get their chance in the championship out of interest? Walsh, 22yrs - 12 games since 2017 (3 of which were for Birmingham) Morrell - One game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 47 minutes ago, RedRoss said: Without adding too much negativity to this forum I'm genuinely concerned we might be in a dogfight at the bottom if this contract renewal is anything to go by. I know some fans see him as a leader and he might well be behind the scenes but I usually just see Korey constantly pointing looking flustered.. usually pointing backwards. Then misplaces a pass or chases shadows most of the game. Give him his credit he played a couple of cross field passes of late but that's the only thing I can think of apart from being a 'busy bee' which he's well off even his peak League One performances. This with he's going to block Morrell and Walsh's spots in the team I'm really struggling with this move. I wouldn't blame Walsh to move onto Coventry, they are looking like a much better prospect than us. Made some interesting transfers. Play good football. Got good characters in the team and positivity behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Simon79 said: Would people honestly put Morrell, Walsh, Nagy & Massengo in front of Smith? & by that, I mean today, not in a years time. Also, in these uncertain financial times, I would be inclined to at least offer him something as it’s basically a free signing. Would be good for those youngsters I’ve already mentioned to have him around I would say as well. COYR Agreed. Re-sign Smith and we have 5 midfielders which is perfect for Holden 5-3-2 formation. We can then concentrate on replacing Fam and Elliason and maybe one more centre back. If we make more than 4 signings this summer I’d be very surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 I can see both sides of the argument really. We may need his experience especially if Walsh and Morrell get a good go this season . The thing that really gets to me though is Lansdowns interview . He wants prem football ASAP , new direction blah blah blah . Giving korey another year goes against that. all of this gives the impression that lower mid table would be a achievement this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 52 minutes ago, RedRoss said: Without adding too much negativity to this forum I'm genuinely concerned we might be in a dogfight at the bottom if this contract renewal is anything to go by. I know some fans see him as a leader and he might well be behind the scenes but I usually just see Korey constantly pointing looking flustered.. usually pointing backwards. Then misplaces a pass or chases shadows most of the game. Give him his credit he played a couple of cross field passes of late but that's the only thing I can think of apart from being a 'busy bee' which he's well off even his peak League One performances. This with he's going to block Morrell and Walsh's spots in the team I'm really struggling with this move. I wouldn't blame Walsh to move onto Coventry, they are looking like a much better prospect than us. Made some interesting transfers. Play good football. Got good characters in the team and positivity behind them. Watch Boro away game. Amazing performance. Your assessment of him is so wide of the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 If we do re-sign smith, then we don’t need another DM unless Nagy is sold but I would hope Korey isn’t a starter as he isn’t what he once was and IMO, morrell and Walsh would provide a real injection into our midfield so would prefer them to start over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Watch Boro away game. Amazing performance. Your assessment of him is so wide of the mark. Overall, I think he was one of our better players since his return from injury around Xmas. Can see Nagy or Massengo going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I’m sure they are going to get plenty of minutes too. But season is going to be condensed, and we do need to make sure the squad is not exposed. I’m 50/50 on it. Need to see how the squad shapes up over the coming weeks before I make my mind up. We don’t even know if Holden is gonna stick with a 532 or not. That might e been a “sticking plaster” system for the 5 games. Morsy is a good comparison indeed. Was linked back in his Chesterfield days. Reed, as you say is a different level. You beat me to it It will be interesting to see what we do. If Eliasson leaves then our squad is reasonably well balanced for a 352/532. We probably would need a specialist RWB as competition for Hunt. The key with that system is specialists. As Cotterill showed, it can be a really effective system if you specifically recruit for it. Wingbacks arguably the most important position to get right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, redsocks said: Great News if Ture. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The dastardly red Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 hours ago, City oz said: A bit like reading the daily star then No, it's not. The Daily Star is a national tabloid. It has a showbiz gossip page which focuses on high profile celebrities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, Eddie Notgetinya said: When did Morrell and Walsh get their chance in the championship out of interest? Walsh, 22yrs - 12 games since 2017 (3 of which were for Birmingham) Morrell - One game I saw Walsh play half a game, I think against Stoke, when he looked a player. The rest of the time he looked off the pace, weak and low on confidence. Some blame has to go on the management team for that and I’m sure he will improve next year but he certainly hasn’t yet proved he can perform consistently at championship level. Fair point about Morrell but I’ve seen him play a few times and he’s never let anyone down. However, he was never a stand out performer For me and again hasn’t proved he can perform consistently at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bobbie said: I saw Walsh play half a game, I think against Stoke, when he looked a player. The rest of the time he looked off the pace, weak and low on confidence. Some blame has to go on the management team for that and I’m sure he will improve next year but he certainly hasn’t yet proved he can perform consistently at championship level. Fair point about Morrell but I’ve seen him play a few times and he’s never let anyone down. However, he was never a stand out performer For me and again hasn’t proved he can perform consistently at this level. Neither of them have proved it because neither has had their chance yet. Let’s hope this is the breakthrough year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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