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This will be one of the weakest championships in recent memory. There was a real opportunity to do something special this year. Instead it appears we will be going into the season losing some of our best players and with a management team that a half decent league one side would find baffling. If the club does something wrong, and ineptly, it doesn’t mean that those of us who point it out are in some ways lesser supporters than you. 
 

Holden deserves support in that this isn’t his fault. Of course he was going to apply for the job. But the upper echelons of the club have been abject through this whole laughable mess.

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Agree about the current climate. And would have no problems with this if the club would of stated it’s intentions by going down this route from the beginning. When they got rid of LJ the owner and his puppet came out with a totally different plan full well knowing the current circumstances. I have no problem with DH taking the job good luck to him . I have a problem with a owner and board I no longer trust. 

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Just now, Northern Red said:

Good morning Mark.

Very good! I thought it was time to try to summarise the situation and to try (for the umpteenth time) to outline the fact that the board are running the club in a thoughtful and measured fashion, even if some on here cannot see it. The problems may well be profound to football, and we have to survive and thrive. The board are seeing to the real problems.

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1 minute ago, windmillhillred said:

This will be one of the weakest championships in recent memory. There was a real opportunity to do something special this year. Instead it appears we will be going into the season losing some of our best players and with a management team that a half decent league one side would find baffling. If the club does something wrong, and ineptly, it doesn’t mean that those of us who point it out are in some ways lesser supporters than you. 
 

Holden deserves support in that this isn’t his fault. Of course he was going to apply for the job. But the upper echelons of the club have been abject through this whole laughable mess.

All we have to do is to ignore the financial problems and FFP then. 

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2 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

It has become clear that there may be a very difficult set of financial circumstances facing our club and others in our division. Our own @MrPopodopolous has set out these concerns very well in a different thread. 

Our squad is in need of supplementation and there will be comings and goings as usual, but our ambitions will be tempered by financial constraints.

Our strength in the youth department gives cause for optimism and it seems that the board have decided to double down on our original strategy of developing youth - both for sale and to build the first team.  The new additions reported in the Bristol Post show that the efforts to leverage the youth policy will effectively be put on steroids.

Our new head coach has the advantage of being very well known and is obviously admired by the board, players and others in the club.  What he may lack in experience can be made up by his knowledge of the club and players and willingness to adhere to our corporate strategy. He also fits in with the budget and is the continuity candidate because a new experienced manager may well have wanted to make very expensive changes to playing squad, staff and modus operandi. Everything the board appear to have decided so far looks sound and logical from the perspective of what is best for our long term interests and gets us over the, hopefully, short term financial obstacles.

Given all this, maybe it is about time for the fans to be rather more understanding of the owner and board and to come to terms with the fact that we are living in unprecedented times and we will need to make wise and prudent decisions to benefit in the long run. Give the plans a chance to work by boosting them with your total support. Bury the negatives because we are not able to do much to change the landscape in which we have to operate. 

Try being supporters rather than antagonistic critics. This does not apply to all - but there are some who need to consider this carefully. Just get real!

 

Personally I am happy with Holdens possible appointment for the reasons you've mentioned I want to see the academy players given an opportunity to play in the first team would that of happened under Hughton very unlikely he would most probably have wanted to bring in several players at big cost to the club. Johnsons mistake last season was bringing in players who weren't as good as what was already available to him amongst the younger players. So if this is the route the club has chosen the fans should get behind it or put themselves out of their misery and walk away it could be worse you could be a Bury fan

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2 minutes ago, windmillhillred said:

This will be one of the weakest championships in recent memory. There was a real opportunity to do something special this year. Instead it appears we will be going into the season losing some of our best players and with a management team that a half decent league one side would find baffling. If the club does something wrong, and ineptly, it doesn’t mean that those of us who point it out are in some ways lesser supporters than you. 
 

Holden deserves support in that this isn’t his fault. Of course he was going to apply for the job. But the upper echelons of the club have been abject through this whole laughable mess.

Holden doesn’t need to take the job, he knows he is vastly inexperienced and will most likely fail and fail quickly leaving his career in tatters.  He should come and read the forum and then base his decision on whether he’s actually wanted here.  So by accepting the job he is part of the problem and it is his fault also 

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2 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

Very good! I thought it was time to try to summarise the situation and to try (for the umpteenth time) to outline the fact that the board are running the club in a thoughtful and measured fashion, even if some on here cannot see it. The problems may well be profound to football, and we have to survive and thrive. The board are seeing to the real problems.

Good one!! 🤣

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2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Agree about the current climate. And would have no problems with this if the club would of stated it’s intentions by going down this route from the beginning. When they got rid of LJ the owner and his puppet came out with a totally different plan full well knowing the current circumstances. I have no problem with DH taking the job good luck to him . I have a problem with a owner and board I no longer trust. 

It seems quite likely that the unfolding ramifications of the financial issues have left their mark on the boards decisions.  Decisions are made by thrashing out the issues and coming up with workable solutions. You might not trust them because you were not part of the discussions. We have to trust them because you cannout change their decisions, which seem pretty well balanced.

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1 minute ago, LoyalRed said:

Holden doesn’t need to take the job, he knows he is vastly inexperienced and will most likely fail and fail quickly leaving his career in tatters.  He should come and read the forum and then base his decision on whether he’s actually wanted here.  So by accepting the job he is part of the problem and it is his fault also 

Take your point. But he will think he can succeed and he has the offer of a job which will set him and his family up for life.

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1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said:

It seems quite likely that the unfolding ramifications of the financial issues have left their mark on the boards decisions.  Decisions are made by thrashing out the issues and coming up with workable solutions. You might not trust them because you were not part of the discussions. We have to trust them because you cannout change their decisions, which seem pretty well balanced.

I go on what the man at the top said BF. His words 

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1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said:

Very good! I thought it was time to try to summarise the situation and to try (for the umpteenth time) to outline the fact that the board are running the club in a thoughtful and measured fashion, even if some on here cannot see it. The problems may well be profound to football, and we have to survive and thrive. The board are seeing to the real problems.

You appear to see yourself as the font of all knowledge and anyone with a different view point is in need of education.It comes across as patronising and condescending.

Things do not become true if you repeat them enough times, supporters  feel badly let down by this appointment  and can only hope that a full explanation is provided at the press conference .

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Just now, windmillhillred said:

No, obviously not. Lansdown presumably knew about the pandemic when he gave his Talk Sport interview. Is this what you expected following all of his talk about pushing us to the next level?

Well he knew more than the government and WHO then because their position has been developing. Timing, costs, crowds, sponsorship, and many other issues are impacted - for how long? We don't know.

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Fully expect us, like all clubs, to not be spending much in the transfer market

But if anyone thinks we have appointed Dean Holden because of financial reasons they are wrong.

If we wanted Chris Hughton, his salary wouldnt have been an issue.

Managers job is the most important position at a football club - you dont underspend on that position, because in the long run, you pay for it...

SL and co, clearly think Deano is the best candidate for the job!

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1 minute ago, windmillhillred said:

Take your point. But he will think he can succeed and he has the offer of a job which will set him and his family up for life.

And ultimately set BCFC back 10 years, we will be relegation fodder next season.  The players are happy as they know they will be safe under Holden, collect their wage and under perform on a regular basis 

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3 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

Well he knew more than the government and WHO then because their position has been developing. Timing, costs, crowds, sponsorship, and many other issues are impacted - for how long? We don't know.

It’s people like you,that make the club think they can dish out any old bullshit,and we will all be gullible enough to accept it,perhaps they should employ you as their chief bullshitting press officer.

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8 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

All we have to do is to ignore the financial problems and FFP then. 

Well i see SL is not doing that with the bears. They have been signing lots of top stars. The latest they are trying for is Beauden Barrett. So one law for the bears another for the City.

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15 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

Very good! I thought it was time to try to summarise the situation and to try (for the umpteenth time) to outline the fact that the board are running the club in a thoughtful and measured fashion, even if some on here cannot see it. The problems may well be profound to football, and we have to survive and thrive. The board are seeing to the real problems.

So why sack LJ? I understood at the time we were aiming for the next level. These potential appointments don’t strike me as that. Financially we’d have been better off as we stood.

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Just now, Galley is our king said:

Thank you for totally making his point.

A well thought through response, shows intelligence and respect to the OP.

Well done.....

Look, it’s all been done to death.

One side (very few) want to give SL & Ashton a free pass because of Covid, deliberately omitting the fact it was here well before we sacked LJ & that the Talksport interview says the complete opposite of what we are about to do.

Small time, uninspiring, controlling, lacking in ambition. Making exactly the same mistake we did with Millen.

Is that a response you approve of?

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3 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

Well i see SL is not doing that with the bears. They have been signing lots of top stars. The latest they are trying for is Beauden Barrett. So one law for the bears another for the City.

I’ve never really  questioned it before. But are we starting to see SL putting more into the rugby as he sees the better opportunity for success. 

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