Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: The shock to fans will be that mid table will be acceptable next season. How does that align with the justification for sacking Johnson then? It’s inconsistent. The club are on record citing failure to achieve top 6 as the reason for getting rid. If mid table is acceptable, why not keep LJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: The shock to fans will be that mid table will be acceptable next season. "When it comes to the crunch, he hasn't got us over the line and we felt it was time to make the move, to make a change for someone who can help us make that next step. Didn’t sound like mid table was SL aim with that quote. Those are his words after LJ was sacked so idk why that would have changed in 3-4 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: How does that align with the justification for sacking Johnson then? It’s inconsistent. The club are on record citing failure to achieve top 6 as the reason for getting rid. If mid table is acceptable, why not keep LJ? I still think top 6 will be the aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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And Its Smith Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: How does that align with the justification for sacking Johnson then? It’s inconsistent. The club are on record citing failure to achieve top 6 as the reason for getting rid. If mid table is acceptable, why not keep LJ? Because LJ given tools to achieve top 6 in their view. Tools going to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, OddBallJim said: No. He’s part of the previous regime. Out with the old in with the new. Interesting.... so if you were in a job, and the boss had to go due to poor performance, you would be happy and completely understand why you got the sack also? Or would you think, well I'm applying for that cos I could do better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: "When it comes to the crunch, he hasn't got us over the line and we felt it was time to make the move, to make a change for someone who can help us make that next step. Didn’t sound like mid table was SL aim with that quote. Those are his words after LJ was sacked so idk why that would have changed in 3-4 weeks Guess we will wait and see. If we don’t sign many and finish 12th then I don’t see Holden being sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I still think top 6 will be the aim. It should be if they’re consistent 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Because LJ given tools to achieve top 6 in their view. Tools going to change Makes the board look totally inconsistent and duplicitous in their messaging. Very hard to maintain supporter trust. The statement Lansdown made to talksport gave no indication that expectations would change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: It should be if they’re consistent Makes the board look totally inconsistent and duplicitous in their messaging. Very hard to maintain supporter trust. The statement Lansdown made to talksport gave no indication that expectations would change. Will certainly be interesting to see what happens. I am maybe making assumptions but I do not think that they will be expected to make the play offs if we sell Fam and Elliason and then do not spend much money this window. Obviously if the latter doesn’t happen and we do indeed spend again then play offs will still be the aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 So whats going to change this next season????? NOTHING round and around we go, with failure to advance last seasons finishing position put down to the "Covid" whilst ignoring the fact that all other clubs also have had the covid effect. The new year will bring this announcement; "Holden needs more time to go again and push on to the top six" this will have the effect of selling a few ST`s and then repeat for the next few seasons. Suggest the renaming of this club to; The Bristol Sport Club,(Football Division) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Exactly this If we lose Fam and Elliason then the basis of the squad is this before we make a few signings to improve it. Doesn’t seem too bad as long as the 2-3 we bring in improve us. Personally I would prefer those to be in the RWB and 2 strikers areas Bentley Moore Kalas. Baker Vyner Walsh. Dasilva Nagy. Massengo Weimann. Wells Subs O’Leary, Hunt, Palmer, Rowe, Szmodics, Morrell, Semenyo, Watkins. I have no answers but I think opposition teams would slice through that midfield like a knife through butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Guess we will wait and see. If we don’t sign many and finish 12th then I don’t see Holden being sacked. Will depend on fans in the ground. I can see it getting toxic within a few months . Fans have had a gutsful of those in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonG666 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: How about, rather than all these expert predictions of impending struggle, collapse and imminent relegation... We just give it a chance and judge the coming months on what actually happens. We've taken a massive gamble, (which I don't agree with) but let's at least give Deano a chance to do well, rather than making it impossible by dooming him to fail, before he's even started..! Surely that's all we can do as supporters unless you have a cunning plan to get yourself appointed on the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: Will depend on fans in the ground. I can see it getting toxic within a few months . Fans have had a gutsful of those in charge It’s toxic now mate. A few of the fans on here that support this fiasco are literally the only ones I know that do. Everyone else is seething at this appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: I have no answers but I think opposition teams would slice through that midfield like a knife through butter. Have you ever tried slicing through butter? If it’s straight from the fridge, it’s bl**dy difficult. Just saying, like. Think on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 No I'm sorry this appointment needs to be treated with the contempt it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, One Team said: It’s toxic now mate. A few of the fans on here that support this fiasco are literally the only ones I know that do. Everyone else is seething at this appointment. Got to remember this forum only counts for the minority of supporters. If this place was anything to go by the protests against Johnson a couple of years back would have seen the ground empty and thousands demanding season ticket refunds. People aren’t happy, but no way will the atmosphere be ‘toxic’ when we return to the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, One Team said: It’s toxic now mate. A few of the fans on here that support this fiasco are literally the only ones I know that do. Everyone else is seething at this appointment. Though interestingly 29 likes/thanks for the original post in this thread out of a total of 34 responses. Maybe there are a lot of City fans who are not that bothered, but are not shouting about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Got to remember this forum only counts for the minority of supporters. If this place was anything to go by the protests against Johnson a couple of years back would have seen the ground empty and thousands demanding season ticket refunds. People aren’t happy, but no way will the atmosphere be ‘toxic’ when we return to the ground I agree it’s a very small minority of the fan base on here. I think it will be toxic if we are towards the bottom of the table at the time. And I don’t think the bad feeling is aimed at DH personally by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacki Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, One Team said: It’s toxic now mate. A few of the fans on here that support this fiasco are literally the only ones I know that do. Everyone else is seething at this appointment. Agreed. I go to football with a level-headed and broadly supportive bunch and I don’t know anyone who isn’t bewildered, annoyed or downright seething with the appointment, the communication and how it’s all been handled. These are reasonable, measured people who have all come to the shuddering realisation as to what sort of people we have running the club these days. I think it will take a long time for BCFC to claw back all of the goodwill they’ve lost throughout this whole debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Though interestingly 29 likes/thanks for the original post in this thread out of a total of 34 responses. Maybe there are a lot of City fans who are not that bothered, but are not shouting about it. Possibly yes, just in my experience with the people I know they are fuming about it. Will they do anything about it? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jacki said: Agreed. I go to football with a level-headed and broadly supportive bunch and I don’t know anyone who isn’t bewildered, annoyed or downright seething with the appointment, the communication and how it’s all been handled. These are reasonable, measured people who have all come to the shuddering realisation as to what sort of people we have running the club these days. I think it will take a long time for BCFC to claw back all of the goodwill they’ve lost throughout this whole debacle. Well said mate, mirrors my personal experiences of late. I wasn’t happy with LJ’s appointment at the time but shrugged in the end and got on with it. I don’t recall ever feeling anything remotely like this before about a managerial appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: No I'm sorry this appointment needs to be treated with the contempt it deserves. That's my point though. We don't know what it deserves yet. If he turns out to replicate the likes of Eddie Howe, then it's a brilliant appointment. That's not me prediction that he will. I doubt that. But until its proven to be a good, or bad, appointment - it can't be branded as either. Disappointing as it it, is not necessarily "bad" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, One Team said: Well said mate, mirrors my personal experiences of late. I wasn’t happy with LJ’s appointment at the time but shrugged in the end and got on with it. I don’t recall ever feeling anything remotely like this before about a managerial appointment. Pulis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, One Team said: I agree it’s a very small minority of the fan base on here. I think it will be toxic if we are towards the bottom of the table at the time. And I don’t think the bad feeling is aimed at DH personally by the way. I think a lot of fans will be upset and annoyed by the news. We’ve never been a bunch to be ‘toxic’ when things are going wrong though. There will be anger directed at SL and MA, but really can’t see that being anything more than fans on social media venting their frustration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, JBFC II said: I think a lot of fans will be upset and annoyed by the news. We’ve never been a bunch to be ‘toxic’ when things are going wrong though. There will be anger directed at SL and MA, but really can’t see that being anything more than fans on social media venting their frustration Maybe before your time but I have a clear memory of 30 or so fans positioning themselves at the back of the middle of the enclosure one match and spending the whole 90 minutes turned round and shouting and angrily gesticulating up at the directors box. Not by chance imo. the new directors box was situated up in the Gods, surrounded by children and well away from passionate fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 If Famara and Niclas leaves then I think we gonna have problem. Smith is gone and I think he is far better player than COD. Usually Im optimistic but this season think we have to fight to avoid relegation. Our best goalscorer, our best assist player and then a good mf Smith gone. Holden, new guy instead of Macca. Things dont look so brite. Really hope Im wrong. COYR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Garland-sweden said: If Famara and Niclas leaves then I think we gonna have problem. Smith is gone and I think he is far better player than COD. Usually Im optimistic but this season think we have to fight to avoid relegation. Our best goalscorer, our best assist player and then a good mf Smith gone. Holden, new guy instead of Macca. Things dont look so brite. Really hope Im wrong. COYR!!! Too early to know. Got to see how the squad shapes up over coming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterRedthanBlue Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 It's not the fact that the fans are mad at Holden. It's the fact for 5 weeks we've heard nothing from the club, that we've been linked with people who have excelled in the championship or lower leagues and we've appointed a manager with a record of 5 wins 7 draws and 8 losses. The objective shouldn't change for next season we should still be aiming for the top 6 and I don't think we'll get many better chances of doing and to many fans (including myself) this doesn't show the ambition. That's where the frustration comes from which already puts Holden on the back foot with the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Though interestingly 29 likes/thanks for the original post in this thread out of a total of 34 responses. Maybe there are a lot of City fans who are not that bothered, but are not shouting about it. Well if that’s the case, they’ll get what they deserve ...... a club with very questionable ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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