Tomo Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Doesn't that really tell the story? I think I heard GT saying that? When was the last time a Full Time Manager was given such a short term contract? Just sums it up... This proves that the board have no real trust in appointing the 'rookie' Feel for fans, feel for Dean. Wrong Decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saturday Boy Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 It's a rolling 12 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Not that rare these days, a lot of managers are on rolling deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Just now, Tomo said: Doesn't that really tell the story? I think I heard GT saying that? When was the last time a Full Time Manager was given such a short term contract? Just sums it up... This proves that the board have no real trust in appointing the 'rookie' Feel for fans, feel for Dean. Wrong Decision! No. 12 month ROLLING contract. Still pretty cheap to fire, but some security for Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted August 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 20/07/2020 at 19:55, ChippenhamRed said: Not a very convincing article...and it’s the Mail...but even so.... On 24/07/2020 at 13:16, Taunton_BCFC said: We will never get another chance to get a manager like CH in! And we’re going to **** it up Just now, Southport Red said: No. 12 month ROLLING contract. Still pretty cheap to fire, but some security for Dean. Still an admittance that even the board are 'not sure' of this appointment - what did LJ have? 4 year deal? It really is comical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devereux Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 It kinda had to be 1 year, 2 years max given his inexperience. You don’t want to be paying him off in 12 months time. This does raise the concern though....what players will want to sign for us and play under Holden when his contract is so short? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 He's the future. Well at least for 6 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Jeez, in current economic circumstances it makes perfect sense for both parties. It’s like moaning for the hell of it tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Masala said: It's a rolling 12 months Which means they could sack Dean whenever they want if that suits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 46 minutes ago, Tomo said: Still an admittance that even the board are 'not sure' of this appointment - what did LJ have? 4 year deal? It really is comical! LJ was initially on a 3.5 year contract in Feb 2016, that was renewed to 4 years I think autumn 2018 IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 I seem to remember Danny Wilson when first appointed was on a 12 month rolling contract so wouldn’t read much into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, Chappers said: Jeez, in current economic circumstances it makes perfect sense for both parties. It’s like moaning for the hell of it tonight. But not exactly backing the new manager after such a rigorous selection process though, is it? If the club wanted to make a statement about backing their man, a three year deal with a termination clause specifying the maximum pay out would have given a much greater sign of intent. The termination clause would obviously be between Holden and the Club, all we would see is a manager firmly backed with a strong deal. One year rolling suggests "we'll see how it goes" which is totally at odds with the statement about being convinced he's the man to take us forward. It's all of these contradictions (see the Ashton Out thread for many more) that add up to this omnishambles of a recruitment process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 44 minutes ago, Chappers said: It’s like moaning for the hell of it tonight. I blame the ducking tea lady. Utter *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Said elsewhere, it's quite smart. It means that if it goes wrong we can dispose of Holden relatively cheaply. Alternatively if football finances rebuild within the next 12 months and he keeps us ticking over in midtable, then we can replace him with a bigger name in summer 2021 with a mutually acceptable parting of the ways. Wonder what the contractual terms/length of Downing and Simpson are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 The issue isn’t dean Holden getting a 12 month rolling contract, it was giving LJ a 4 year deal. I guess if @ExiledAjaxis right, LJ has 2 years left unless there has been a mutual termination or clauses in the termination. If not, likelihood is we will continue to pay him until he finds another job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: The issue isn’t dean Holden getting a 12 month rolling contract, it was giving LJ a 4 year deal. I guess if @ExiledAjaxis right, LJ has 2 years left unless there has been a mutual termination or clauses in the termination. If not, likelihood is we will continue to pay him until he finds another job. Scandalously I was wrong. He was given the 4 years at the end of last season. May 2019. So we're paying off three years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48382887 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, walnutroof said: I seem to remember Danny Wilson when first appointed was on a 12 month rolling contract so wouldn’t read much into it So was Coppell, and SO'D I think. Some managers insist on them. It's really not the big issue that it's being made out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstu Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Devereux said: It kinda had to be 1 year, 2 years max given his inexperience. You don’t want to be paying him off in 12 months time. This does raise the concern though....what players will want to sign for us and play under Holden when his contract is so short? I give it 3 months max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bas's perfect hattrick Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Scandalously I was wrong. He was given the 4 years at the end of last season. May 2019. So we're paying off three years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48382887 Unforgivable sacking him, without getting a genuine upgrade after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: Scandalously I was wrong. He was given the 4 years at the end of last season. May 2019. So we're paying off three years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48382887 Not what you know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayteomike2 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 be cheaper to pay him off at Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicdaps Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Midlands Robin said: But not exactly backing the new manager after such a rigorous selection process though, is it? If the club wanted to make a statement about backing their man, a three year deal with a termination clause specifying the maximum pay out would have given a much greater sign of intent. The termination clause would obviously be between Holden and the Club, all we would see is a manager firmly backed with a strong deal. One year rolling suggests "we'll see how it goes" which is totally at odds with the statement about being convinced he's the man to take us forward. It's all of these contradictions (see the Ashton Out thread for many more) that add up to this omnishambles of a recruitment process. I get what you're saying along with the wider point that you're making but is that really all that much different to the current rolling 12mth deal. A 3 year deal with a termination clause which presumably wouldn't be more than 12mths anyway is essentially the same thing isn't it? (Assuming the rolling 12mths doesn't have a reduced term termination clause of some kind in it) You could of course also argue that a rolling 12mth deal has the potential to far exceed a standalone 3yr deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Yeah, agree that in essence the two would be the same but a three year deal to my mind sends out a stronger message. It's how we perceive what we see rather than what's actually written in ink which would only be between Holden and the club "He's our man, we've given him a three year deal, we expect to be challenging for promotion and we think Dean Holden is the man to get us there." sounds like a strong backing. "He's our man, we've given him a 12 month rolling contract, we're not going to set targets but we want to be challenging for promotion and we think Dean Holden is the man to get us there" doesn't sound quite so strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said: Yeah, agree that in essence the two would be the same but a three year deal to my mind sends out a stronger message. It's how we perceive what we see rather than what's actually written in ink which would only be between Holden and the club "He's our man, we've given him a three year deal, we expect to be challenging for promotion and we think Dean Holden is the man to get us there." sounds like a strong backing. "He's our man, we've given him a 12 month rolling contract, we're not going to set targets but we want to be challenging for promotion and we think Dean Holden is the man to get us there" doesn't sound quite so strong And..... as he’s such a great appointment why on earth are we risking losing him with only a years compensation due.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 If we're top 2 at Easter they can easily give him a new contract. Personally I'm glad it's a 12 month job. We've made light of it at times but the budget will be tight and it is obviously a risky appointment (whatever MA and JL say). It's pragmatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Ayteomike2 said: be cheaper to pay him off at Christmas No it won’t. That’s the point of a rolling contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 I always like much how it confuses people when someone's on a rolling contract. In fairness this does make sense. Yes, it's a cheaper way to go about it, but it's far more sensible than giving an unproven guy a set 3 or 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 Eddie Howe by Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 7 hours ago, redstu said: I give it 3 months max I think you might find they stick with him a tad longer than that; come hell or high water. Great film by the way if people have not seen it with Geoff Bridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 9 hours ago, walnutroof said: I seem to remember Danny Wilson when first appointed was on a 12 month rolling contract so wouldn’t read much into it He was and that’s what Wilson asked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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