redpole Posted August 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 1 minute ago, CliftonCliff said: Don't think anyone is saying it has to be that way, but at the same time there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that model. Tempting to conclude that you can never have too much expertise, but the more people involved, the more effort needs to go into making sure everyone's singing from the same hymn sheet, otherwise there is increased risk of mixed messages, players becoming confused, differences of approach or opinion, and so on. There is probably an optimum number, though I don't pretend to know what that is. Just an observation, really - and there was, by the way, quite a lot of criticism in the LJ era of things being over-complicated... I think this will be a great move by DH and the club if it is true. There is no harm with having 3/4 coaches they all share ideas and bring in their points of view to assist the coach. I think you will find a lot of clubs have 3/4 coaches. Doesn’t mean their manager is not up to it. I wasn’t up for DH taking the role but the more he surrounds himself with experienced coaches the more I’m liking it. I think DH will be a great coach moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said: Don't think anyone is saying it has to be that way, but at the same time there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that model. Tempting to conclude that you can never have too much expertise, but the more people involved, the more effort needs to go into making sure everyone's singing from the same hymn sheet, otherwise there is increased risk of mixed messages, players becoming confused, differences of approach or opinion, and so on. There is probably an optimum number, though I don't pretend to know what that is. Just an observation, really - and there was, by the way, quite a lot of criticism in the LJ era of things being over-complicated... Considering the coaches responsibility is to coach a player and improve them, how is it going to over complicate things? The tactics and team set up will be done by holden with his two assistants, holden with have the final say, if things get over complicated its holdens fault, I dont see things being over complicated at man City, Liverpool United and countless other teams who employ far more coaches then we ever have, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 As he seems to have worked a lot with Chris Hughton, I wonder if he was one of the staff that CH had said he wanted to bring with him, if he got the job. This might go some way to reassuring those on here who wanted CH - we may end up with part of that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 I see it as a good thing. Having specialist coaches can only help share the load. Nevin apparently is a great set-piece coach whilst also an analyst whilst the other two are an attacking and defending coach between them. not only would Holden learn from them and draw on their experience, but it leaves Holden more time to focus on team selection and other areas of management. its better than the autocratic way LJ has it which clearly didn’t work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, redpole said: I think this will be a great move by DH and the club if it is true. There is no harm with having 3/4 coaches they all share ideas and bring in their points of view to assist the coach. I think you will find a lot of clubs have 3/4 coaches. Doesn’t mean their manager is not up to it. I wasn’t up for DH taking the role but the more he surrounds himself with experienced coaches the more I’m liking it. I think DH will be a great coach moving forward. 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Considering the coaches responsibility is to coach a player and improve them, how is it going to over complicate things? The tactics and team set up will be done by holden with his two assistants, holden with have the final say, if things get over complicated its holdens fault, I dont see things being over complicated at man City, Liverpool United and countless other teams who employ far more coaches then we ever have, OK, fine. I do take all that on board. It was only a passing comment, as I said, and not something about which I hold a particularly strong view. And I certainly didn't infer that Holden "isn't up to it". I'm merely suggesting that with four senior coaches plus Holden himself, that's quite a lot of input and I would imagine there would have to be some fairly clear demarcation of responsibilities. Just putting it out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 How are they all going to fit on the coach? - if you get my drift.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WirralRobin Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 58 minutes ago, pongo88 said: The only reason a club would need is three assistant coaches is the head coach is not up to scratch. A camel is a horse designed by a committee. Better not tell Pep that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Red Skin said: Always like Pat Nevin from when he first appeared in the NME back when it used to be my music bible. Always found his comments considered and usually find myself agreeing with much he has to say. If he came on board it would be only one more coach that we had in LJs team. Maybe the other coaches would also work with other ages groups. Much more easy to manage when the new training ground is built and teams are co-located. Just like me you read “Pat” Nevin too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 It would be a real coup if we get him. I don't think the number of coaches matters, what's important is that there is clarity in each of their roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingleRed Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: It would be a real coup if we get him. I don't think the number of coaches matters, what's important is that there is clarity in each of their roles. As Pat Lam said, if you want a world class team start with world class coaches. Some of the Bears thinking coming across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WirralRobin Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 1 hour ago, BOSRed said: I see it as a good thing. Having specialist coaches can only help share the load. Nevin apparently is a great set-piece coach whilst also an analyst whilst the other two are an attacking and defending coach between them. not only would Holden learn from them and draw on their experience, but it leaves Holden more time to focus on team selection and other areas of management. its better than the autocratic way LJ has it which clearly didn’t work I'm out of likes but top post this! Would be a very exciting appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 5 hours ago, JonDolman said: Holden decides You mean Ashton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 5 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: With all these coaches, how will anyone make any decisions? What if they disagree on tactics or signings? Strange. Downing/Simpson both said they're here to help implement Holden's ideas/vision for tactics etc, so only 1 person needs to make decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, JonDolman said: You mean picks the side? If so then no chance. That would be ridiculous. The very thought of Mark Ashton picking the side! That’s Steve Lansdown’s job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 48 minutes ago, JonDolman said: You mean picks the side? If so then no chance. I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Midlands Robin said: We'll have more coaches than National Express at this rate. There cheap as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 So if true about Nevin please tell me what is our head coach actually going to do? It's getting more ridiculous by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Just like me you read “Pat” Nevin too. Ha, ha. Bloody dyslexia!! I thought he was busy doing all the commentary and coaching at West Ham. I was puzzled about the West Ham connection too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Street red said: There cheap as well not quite Arrow Coaches, mind… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 Just now, exAtyeoMax said: not quite Arrow Coaches, mind… Or Dave’s Coaches mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Or Dave’s Coaches mind This will be deans coaches he's starting a new fleet away travel will be first class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 Another coach to ‘’help’’ Holden then is it? And people say the reason we didn’t want Chris Hughton is because he wanted a complete new backroom staff. Mental really... Anyone in the know have any rough idea what we are paying the coaches? Guessing Holden is on somewhere between 7-10 k a week but how about the others? @Kid in the Riot??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 if it helps Dean to be successful then it can only be good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Strange really all these new coaches....I thought in LJ we had one of the best up and coming coaches in the country already here..isn't that what we were regularly told ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 It makes me laugh how many people are acting like all great Managers just work on their own. Every Manager has a team behind him, half the time we don’t know who they are. Look at the famous “boot room” at Liverpool, Shankly and Paisley would not have achieved their success without them. Just add all the hysterical comments to the list of excuses to hammer the club and the new man in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, weepywall said: Strange really all these new coaches....I thought in LJ we had one of the best up and coming coaches in the country already here..isn't that what we were regularly told ? Whether he is a good coach or not, he certainly is a poor manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Nothing on the OS yet................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 14 hours ago, CyderInACan said: That would be ridiculous. The very thought of Mark Ashton picking the side! That’s Steve Lansdown’s job. Mark just sends the email. Fluffs it up with a bit of management speak..... “Hi Dean, let me make it clear, the outstanding group of humans for this football club on Saturday will be, in goal.....” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mendip City said: Mark just sends the email. Fluffs it up with a bit of management speak..... “Hi Dean, let me make it clear, the outstanding group of humans for this football club on Saturday will be, in goal.....” I bet that's not all he fluffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, Mendip City said: Mark just sends the email. Fluffs it up with a bit of management speak..... “Hi Dean, let me make it clear, the outstanding group of humans for this football club on Saturday will be, in goal....is me!.” Fixed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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