cidercity1987 Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, AshtonRobin21 said: Seems like a wasted signing, but I'm looking at this in the view that we have improved our squad and after selling Szmodics we should breakeven (fee's paid). Joe Williams - £1.25m Chris Martin - Free Alfie Mawson - Loan Steven Sessegnon - Loan Chris Brunt - Free Total - £1.25m (plus wages) Out: Szmodics - £1m+ A player who won't be used this year has covered our outgoing fees so far. Any other outgoings now will be money in the bank for January. £5m in annual wages for that lot I would have thought plus loan fees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Another in the "didn't work out" folder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, cidercity1987 said: £5m in annual wages for that lot I would have thought plus loan fees Wages yes, I believe we are only paying a loan fee for Sessegnon. We have picked up all of Mawson's wages which I believe subsidised any loan fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartleysbeard Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Something odd about this signing for us. Seemed to light up pre season last year and had expected him to feature much more than he did. Good luck to him in securing first team football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said: Wages yes, I believe we are only paying a loan fee for Sessegnon. We have picked up all of Mawson's wages which I believe subsidised any loan fee. Any rough guess on loan fee for Sessegnon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 While I prefer Szmodics to Palmer (as I've stated before) we are overloaded in midfield and I don't see a role for either of them in the sort of team Holden is building. Szmodics is to be first out of the door as the more bankable asset right now but I think we should move KP on too, on loan if necessary. The problem with KP is that if he wants to play walking football we need interest from abroad, perhaps somewhere like Belgium which is of good standard but not high tempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Any rough guess on loan fee for Sessegnon? Likely to be in the region of 300-500k for the season. Wouldn't exceed that amount as we are developing the player by offering game time. I can't guarantee the figure as I am not ITK, just an estimate based on age, market value, reason for loan etc. I would compare to the Ben Gibson loan to Norwich, they are paying £3m for the season if rumours are to be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said: Likely to be in the region of 300-500k for the season. Wouldn't exceed that amount as we are developing the player by offering game time. I can't guarantee the figure as I am not ITK, just an estimate based on age, market value, reason for loan etc. I would compare to the Ben Gibson loan to Norwich, they are paying £3m for the season if rumours are to be believed. That’s good enough for me. I’ll split the difference and call it £0.4m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggyRed Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Confirmed by their owner, 4 year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/szmodics-joins-peterborough-united-on-permanent-deal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Not particularly fussed, we’ve got too many midfielders so needed to cut down. He’s hardly a youngster and we’re making a profit on a player who didn’t seem to be up to championship standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 No mention of sell on fee. But we have a vast array of midfielders and ultimately can't play them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Basically payed for Joe Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Good luck to him, seemed a very nice bloke & can honestly say he didn’t get the opportunity to see what he could do. That said when Brunt signed we then had 15 players who could play in one of the midfield positions so we were obviously going to move at least 4 on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Good luck to him, clearly has talent and hopefully a nice sell on clause. Shows how far we've come over the past few years when we can sell players like this and not really have much effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 I’ll have a cheeky fiver that he’s playing in the champ or higher next season. Just have that Freeman/Ayling feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I’ll have a cheeky fiver that he’s playing in the champ or higher next season. Just have that Freeman/Ayling feeling. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Hopefully we have a good sell on clause or we have a buy back option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Right thing to do if he's not at the forefront of DHs plans. Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, Snufflelufagus said: No mention of sell on fee. But we have a vast array of midfielders and ultimately can't play them all. No way we sell to Posh and don't demand a sell on fee with their reputation for big fees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Bags of potential but no place for him in a 352, so if DH is convinced by the system then it makes perfect sense if the money is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: I think he may fall into the let’s pick up one of the best available league players, get him some game time, loan him out to Lg1, raise his profile....and sell him for a profit. Financially it’s just about worked out with Mo and Sam (if you take wages into account too), but it hasn’t for Adelakun. Suspect we will owe Colchester some of the profit too....like we did with Mo and Cheltenham. We bought Mo whereas Szomdics was compensation so would be more comparable to Brownhill and PNE wouldn't it? Purely depends what was in the compensation agreement, can see Colchester wanting more of it upfront so if there was any form of sell on can't see it being much. Also £750,000 we paid in compensation would have been spread over the 3 seasons so £250,000 on our books vs the rumoured £1m - £1.5m seen bandied about online so could be anywhere in the £750,000 to £1.25m area for profit on the transfer. Wages I would guess a max of 6k a week based on the fact he joined us over Peterborough for champ football rather than money so nudge over £300,000 for wages for the season, assume P'boro would have paid at least half from Jan so I'd guess maybe £175,000 paid in wages. So books wise would make it anywhere between £575,000 - £1,075,000 profit wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lrrr said: anywhere between £575,000 - £1,075,000 profit wouldn't it? Nice bit of business that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolisredd Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 On a permanent basis .... good luck sammie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lrrr said: We bought Mo whereas Szomdics was compensation so would be more comparable to Brownhill and PNE wouldn't it? Purely depends what was in the compensation agreement, can see Colchester wanting more of it upfront so if there was any form of sell on can't see it being much. Also £750,000 we paid in compensation would have been spread over the 3 seasons so £250,000 on our books vs the rumoured £1m - £1.5m seen bandied about online so could be anywhere in the £750,000 to £1.25m area for profit on the transfer. Wages I would guess a max of 6k a week based on the fact he joined us over Peterborough for champ football rather than money so nudge over £300,000 for wages for the season, assume P'boro would have paid at least half from Jan so I'd guess maybe £175,000 paid in wages. So books wise would make it anywhere between £575,000 - £1,075,000 profit wouldn't it? Fee for Szmodics was widely quoted as £720k, so the profit on a deal of just over a million is quite a bit less than that, though obviously he is off the wage bill, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Fear that we may regret this one A player with real X Factor IMHO and one who could burst up some levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Fee for Szmodics was widely quoted as £720k, so the profit on a deal of just over a million is quite a bit less than that, though obviously he is off the wage bill, too. Would probably need @Mr Popodopolous or @Davefevs on this being in better knowledge than myself but normally fees are amortised but not sure how it works with compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 What a waste of a good player. Typical Johnson. Sign them , never give them a decent chance and sell them. Let's hope these days are over now he has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Redrascal2 said: What a waste of a good player. Typical Johnson. Sign them , never give them a decent chance and sell them. Let's hope these days are over now he has gone. Typical Johnson? Can think of 4 players off the top of my head where that is the case. Not all transfers work out and he was given plenty of chances in training to put himself in the first team. Obviously he never took that chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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