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Cameron Pring has always looked 'promising' and has the athleticism, defensive and attacking abilities to play wing-back.  If he is showing up well in pre-season preparations then I'd prefer to see him used as cover for Jay Desilva rather than either Rowe or O'Dowda.  Brian Tinnion rates him and I can why.

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I also hope we don’t just say WB either. I’d have no problems in some lineups if we had say Hunt or Dasilva on one side and what we could a winger on the other side. With the understanding we may need a CM or CB to cover him a bit more than the other side would need. Think Chelsea when Victor Moses played on the right for most of the year

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18 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Players play in numerous positions in their youths. A former academy player who is good mates with Bobby told me he used to play in midfield alongside another quality youth who was even more of a prospect but didn't put the work in, can't remember his name.

Kelly was a left winger, then left back and then changed to centre back.

Many players change positions.

O'Dowda has played well in his favoured position a fair amount of times over the last 2 seasons. Had bad games just like others like Weimann who has had numerous bad games as well as good ones. Could name quite a number of others who have had good and bad games too. LJ has to take some blame for that.

But I think O'Dowda's performances at wing back suggest he could be a decent wing back. I'm not certain, but so far looked good so interested to see how he'd do there if Dasilva was to be out. As for me Rowe hasn't got the legs for that role.

At the end of the day you think O’Dowda could play well as a proper LWB, I don’t, not without serious development of his overall game.  He’s never started a game there afaik.  All players fill in here and there....it’s the nature of limited substitutes in games, and kitchen sink mentality at times.  My depth chart has him as LWB cover (behind Dasilva and Rowe) so I recognise he has played there in bits of games.

It’s about opinions.

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12 minutes ago, bcfcnick said:

Cameron Pring has always looked 'promising' and has the athleticism, defensive and attacking abilities to play wing-back.  If he is showing up well in pre-season preparations then I'd prefer to see him used as cover for Jay Desilva rather than either Rowe or O'Dowda.  Brian Tinnion rates him and I can why.

Pring hasn’t been seen in any pre-season training videos.  I can only assume (this is week 3 back in training) he is training elsewhere with a view to a loan deal.  I’m a bit surprised by that if I’m being honest.  Not saying he’s ready (he might be for all I know) but you would’ve thought he might benefit from undertaking pre-season with the first team.

Ditto Freddie Hinds and James Morton....when you consider J.Smith, Janneh and Bakinson have been with the first team squad.

7 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I also hope we don’t just say WB either. I’d have no problems in some lineups if we had say Hunt or Dasilva on one side and what we could a winger on the other side. With the understanding we may need a CM or CB to cover him a bit more than the other side would need. Think Chelsea when Victor Moses played on the right for most of the year

Wednesday played with two wingers as their WBs....Harris and Murphy.  I’m quite a fan of lopsided systems if it suits the personnel.  The lopsided 4231 we played at one point last season (Huddersfield (h), Fulham (a)) was a better Balance for the team.

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29 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Pring hasn’t been seen in any pre-season training videos.  I can only assume (this is week 3 back in training) he is training elsewhere with a view to a loan deal.  I’m a bit surprised by that if I’m being honest.  Not saying he’s ready (he might be for all I know) but you would’ve thought he might benefit from undertaking pre-season with the first team.

Ditto Freddie Hinds and James Morton....when you consider J.Smith, Janneh and Bakinson have been with the first team squad.

Wednesday played with two wingers as their WBs....Harris and Murphy.  I’m quite a fan of lopsided systems if it suits the personnel.  The lopsided 4231 we played at one point last season (Huddersfield (h), Fulham (a)) was a better Balance for the team.

Talk very early on in pre season that Pring was down at Plymouth, but not heard much since.

Even taking into account the fact that we will be at least 4 light for the Exeter game due to internationals, I’d expect a few more to be off on loan by then.

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3 hours ago, bcfcnick said:

Cameron Pring has always looked 'promising' and has the athleticism, defensive and attacking abilities to play wing-back.  If he is showing up well in pre-season preparations then I'd prefer to see him used as cover for Jay Desilva rather than either Rowe or O'Dowda.  Brian Tinnion rates him and I can why.

Agreed but he needs to stay fit first & foremost as he’s definitely got the attitude & ability. Can play LB/LWB/LM. Lets hope he has a good pre season. 

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3 hours ago, JonDolman said:

He has started one game there. But yep. Until I see him play badly there I cant see myself changing my mind on that one.

Looks like O'Dowda got a run out at LWB today from Gregor's tweet. I think he's written the team in the wrong order here though.

#BristolCity and #AVFC have just finished playing today’s preseason meeting. Two games of 60 minutes. Believe it finished 1-1 after both, Paterson betting for City. Bristol City starting XI: Bentley; Baker, Moore, Kalas; Hunt, Morrell, Eliasson, Paterson, O'Dowda; Diedhiou, Wells
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1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Looks like O'Dowda got a run out at LWB today from Gregor's tweet. I think he's written the team in the wrong order here though.

#BristolCity and #AVFC have just finished playing today’s preseason meeting. Two games of 60 minutes. Believe it finished 1-1 after both, Paterson betting for City. Bristol City starting XI: Bentley; Baker, Moore, Kalas; Hunt, Morrell, Eliasson, Paterson, O'Dowda; Diedhiou, Wells
3:24 PM · Aug 26, 2020·Twit

Like I’ve been saying that O’Dowda looking like Being back up to DaSilva for LWB. People saying that he will be 4th choice. 
 

O’Dowda ticks the boxes for being LWB with his crossing and energy and forward attacking runs. I think this position will suit him better and we will see more of the old Callum rather than the one we’ve seen last season. 

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13 hours ago, JonDolman said:

I don't need to list all the examples of footballers who have moved from one position to another. As I'm sure you can think of many if you try to. And Bobby was more our main striker from being a midfielder. Massive change in position.

The fact that O'Dowda has played well every time he has played wing back so far suggests to me it is certainly not laughable.

And I'm not saying I'm 100% sure it will work but having played well there 3 times I can think of and done fine one other time too before getting injured, I think it's something Holden should at least look at.

I guess it was laughable to move Kelly to central defence even though a season later he plays central defence against Harry Kane in the prem.

Kelly was always going to be a centre half . He played as left back as he’s capable of playing there, poor example as he’s a left sided defender  that’s suited to both positions. 
if your not going to list players you’ve lost you’re argument . By just saying oh there loads is a throw away comment. As for O’dowda playing well there . No he didn’t imo 

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9 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I think the issue is that wingback is such a specialist position that requires attributes of both defenders and midfielders. It’s natural that people might try and identify players with the right position to play such a specialist role. 

I wondered whether Bakinson could have a go at RWB in pre season because he has the right mix of attributes (apart from perhaps crossing) and has plenty of athleticism.

Modern day full backs are more suited to playing wing back as a large part of their job is getting forward. 
I played left back most of my footballing life , back when defending came first and the back four was  on more of a pendulum . If I went forward the right back tucked round and centre halves shuffled across . Not like now , where full backs are very high up the pitch even in a back four , centre halves split and midfielders drop in.

I really don’t like suggestions “ try him here and there” mostly just because they’re left or right footed . O’dowda was caught of position plenty of times and doesn’t naturally have that defensive mentality and the some suggestions of Eliasson at wingback is frightening. As @Davefevssays . If needs must due to injury ie Bailey Wright filling for a few months then so be it. But look at how many moaned about him playing there . Why ! Because he’s not a right back. 

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14 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

How was Kelly was always going to play there? Surely he would have been a centre back through his youth if that was always going to be his position.

He started off as a left winger didn't he? Moved to left back and then LJ moved him to centre back. Hardly always going to play there from what I can see unless I misremember the youth games I've seen him in and what has been said in interviews.

So wingers who became full backs or wing backs. Using top level examples: Young, Milner, Moses, Valencia, Rose...and many more if I think hard enough.

Or we could say central midfielders that have also played full back or wing back. Delph, Henderson, Zinchenko, Hayden etc. All done good jobs in completely different roles.

Joe Bryan is the perfect example for us.

I think O'Dowda did a pretty decent job in the games he's played so far at wing back.

And when he came on at left back against Boro at home he looked far more comfortable than Rowe had looked who Boro had been targetting. Boro even stopped attacking our left and switched their focus to attacking our right a while after that change had been made.

Holden went with O'Dowda at wing back today. My thought was Holden might be looking at it to see if it works. Well that's what he's doing.

Let's see what role O'Dowda plays under Holden this season. I don't see any other role for him in this set up with all the midfielders we have.

Under Cotterill, the man who brought him to most of our attentions, he was a LCB.  That was aged 16 years. I’m sure like most kids he’d played several positions. I did.

He played in the Community game v Brislington & Keynsham.  He played LCB in a 3 in the first half, where he was the only non-first teamer.  Derrick Williams plated the second half with the kids in effect.

This was after the trip to Portugal.

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23 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

How was Kelly always going to play there? Surely he would have been a centre back through his youth if that was always going to be his position.

He started off as a left winger didn't he? Moved to left back and then LJ moved him to centre back. Hardly always going to play there from what I can see unless I misremember the youth games I've seen him in and what has been said in interviews.

So wingers who became full backs or wing backs. Using top level examples: Young, Milner, Moses, Valencia, Rose...and many more if I think hard enough.

Or we could say central midfielders that have also played full back or wing back. Delph, Henderson, Zinchenko, Hayden etc. All done good jobs in completely different roles.

Joe Bryan is the perfect example for us.

I think O'Dowda did a pretty decent job in the games he's played so far at wing back.

And when he came on at left back against Boro at home he looked far more comfortable than Rowe had looked who Boro had been targetting. Boro even stopped attacking our left and switched their focus to attacking our right a while after that change had been made.

Holden went with O'Dowda at wing back today. My thought was Holden might be looking at it to see if it works. Well that's what he's doing.

Let's see what role O'Dowda plays under Holden this season. I don't see any other role for him in this set up with all the midfielders we have.

The example you’ve used are generally players that have filled in due to injury . Not all but generally. Bryan was converted as a kid. It’s quite usual for kids to play various positions in youth football before they find they’re natural position . As for O’dowda , you’re like a dog with a bone. I certainly can’t remember him playing well enough to convince Holden he can  be converted into a wingback and if he’s not going to get a game in midfield then I hope he’s sold. He’s not good enough in either position in my opinion . 

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

How was Kelly always going to play there? Surely he would have been a centre back through his youth if that was always going to be his position.

He started off as a left winger didn't he? Moved to left back and then LJ moved him to centre back. Hardly always going to play there from what I can see unless I misremember the youth games I've seen him in and what has been said in interviews.

So wingers who became full backs or wing backs. Using top level examples: Young, Milner, Moses, Valencia, Rose...and many more if I think hard enough.

Or we could say central midfielders that have also played full back or wing back. Delph, Henderson, Zinchenko, Hayden etc. All done good jobs in completely different roles.

Joe Bryan is the perfect example for us.

I think O'Dowda did a pretty decent job in the games he's played so far at wing back.

And when he came on at left back against Boro at home he looked far more comfortable than Rowe had looked who Boro had been targetting. Boro even stopped attacking our left and switched their focus to attacking our right a while after that change had been made.

Holden went with O'Dowda at wing back today. My thought was Holden might be looking at it to see if it works. Well that's what he's doing.

Let's see what role O'Dowda plays under Holden this season. I don't see any other role for him in this set up with all the midfielders we have.

He was. 

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On 25/08/2020 at 11:44, Davefevs said:

Or Paul and Keith ?

Only really played senior football at RB....LB has been age group level.

Hehe.  I see where the Jolly comes from in your forum name ???

Haven’t seen much of him, highlights stuff, bit of Wyscout.  But he’s pretty quick!!

Good passing stats, as you’d expect for a Fulham player, and technically decent, as you’d expect for an England age group player.  4 at the back for Fulham and I’d say defensively, he needs to improve, but pace aids recovery ability.  But RWB might be better for him.

All yours OliestJolly ?

 

Surely that should be Fevs Football Statistics?

Seeing as you seem to pour harsh cold statistics on any misguided spark of a rumour.  FFS!  

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55 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Fair enough one example I got wrong. But makes no difference to the general point that loads of wingers or other positions have moved to full back early or even later in their career.

If players fill in for numerous games and do well then surely that means they can play well there.

Fair enough. I think comfortable performances at wing back against Wolves on 2 occasions, as well as looking much better defensively than Rowe one occasion O'Dowda moved to left back instead of Rowe shows he might be okay at left wing back.

Wish I could go on a lot more examples but he's not played there much. WBA away there were a lot bigger problems than O'Dowda mainly on the other side of the pitch and he wasn't on long before injury.

Me and Holden think differently to you and some others that maybe O'Dowda can play wing back. Let's see what he goes with.

 

I think where we disagree is in our evaluation of what constitutes “playing well”.

Doing a job, is my 6/10, as you’ll know from my usual match day player ratings. In limited minutes in a LWB position, I haven’t seen a significant contribution to justify him moving into 7s and 8s out of 10, which is what I’d constitute playing well.  I do mark tough.

Just trying to jog my memory re the Wolves and West Brom games you mention.  Which ones in particular.  The 1-4 defeat this season was a decent 15 minute start from the team where he went on a good run early on.  Got injured just before h-t from memory?

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Keith Curle was a winger before Cooper converted him to a centre back, Bradley Orr was signed as a midfield player, before converting to a right back. 
At other clubs, Kevin Phillips was a right back.  There are lots of examples of players being converted over the years. Players would rather play than not learn a new position.

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11 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Yes that's the West Brom one.

Wolves Fa cup second half and 3-3 but can't remember what minute he went to left wing back exactly. I think it was all the second half at least.

My thinking is he didn't look out of place there. And looked very good defensively and going forward at left back second half vs Boro in a diamond.

There's not really much else can be said other than let's see how he does. Holden looks like he is planning on using him there unless he's being sold. And then i would wonder why he is starting him at all.

Someone said on here Forest were trying to sign him as a left back. As Roy Keane told them that when he was down the gate scouting Callum..not sure if that is true, though would be a weird thing to make up!

I wonder what role Fulham were going to use him as if we'd accepted their bid last summer.

 

Ta.

As for but in bold, I thought the Keane / Forest / Ireland stuff was around him playing in CM (rather than his usual winger position), rather than suggestion of LB...but hey-ho.

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11 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Fair enough one example I got wrong. But makes no difference to the general point that loads of wingers or other positions have moved to full back early or even later in their career.

If players fill in for numerous games and do well then surely that means they can play well there.

Fair enough. I think comfortable performances at wing back against Wolves on 2 occasions, as well as looking much better defensively than Rowe one occasion O'Dowda moved to left back instead of Rowe shows he might be okay at left wing back.

Wish I could go on a lot more examples but he's not played there much. WBA away there were a lot bigger problems than O'Dowda mainly on the other side of the pitch and he wasn't on long before injury.

Me and Holden think differently to you and some others that maybe O'Dowda can play wing back. Let's see what he goes with.

 

Yes, we’ll see. All about opinions which is good for debate. If he can be coached to be defensively sound at wingback then Holden deserves high praise indeed. Personally hoping , if he did play there v Villa then it was only plugging a gap . Time will tell . ?

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On 23/08/2020 at 12:32, steviestevieneville said:

 I stopped reading after your first sentence . Chatting shit tbh . Nothing personal ?

 

1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

Yes, we’ll see. All about opinions which is good for debate. . ?

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