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Steven Sessegnon - Loan Signing Confirmed


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2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

I appreciate this probably makes me sound really old fashioned, but I find news like this depressing.

Sessengon is never going to sign for us permanently so I would much rather we either persevered with Vyner and/or Hunt at RB or otherwise signed someone who wants to join us for good.

Personally though I wouldn’t look to sign a RB at all unless Hunt left, I think we only need another CB & then we have enough players.

It depends what we want from him to be honest, Hunt OOC end of the season and quite a few contracts expiring next summer, I wonder if we're waiting till next summer to recruit a new 1st choice RB when finances are more secure and (potentially) a lower wage bill allowing more to be invested in that player. So therefore I wouldn't be surprised if Sessengon comes in to do a job at RWB for a season. I think Vyner looked a lot better at CB than wing back so perhaps we don't want Vyner forced to be at WB regularly if something happens to Hunt and would prefer him to be able to play CB in rotation.

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18 minutes ago, redpole said:

Dion Sanderson a young player who done well at Cardiff and is available for Loan from Wolves is also another surely worth looking at. Looked good when he played for Cardiff not sure his stats against Sessegnon.

Good shout! I really liked the look of him in the Cardiff games I watched post lockdown.

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1 minute ago, Lrrr said:

It depends what we want from him to be honest, Hunt OOC end of the season and quite a few contracts expiring next summer, I wonder if we're waiting till next summer to recruit a new 1st choice RB when finances are more secure and (potentially) a lower wage bill allowing more to be invested in that player. So therefore I wouldn't be surprised if Sessengon comes in to do a job at RWB for a season. I think Vyner looked a lot better at CB than wing back so perhaps we don't want Vyner forced to be at WB regularly if something happens to Hunt and would prefer him to be able to play CB in rotation.

Good points & as you say, it depends on where we see Vyner making the bigger impact.

If we did bring in this lad & then signed another CB too, effectively sidelining both Vyner & Moore, I think it would be a real shame though.

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3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

I think Hunt is a more than capable full back or wing back at this level but we need a backup.

Sessegnon ? Great name and a good prospect but I wouldn't see him as turfing out Hunt...yet.

 

I disagree, I believe RWB is our weakest area and we badly need an upgrade, not just a back up. Going forward Hunt has done ok but defensively, he’s been pretty poor. 

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1 hour ago, redpole said:

Dion Sanderson a young player who done well at Cardiff and is available for Loan from Wolves is also another surely worth looking at. Looked good when he played for Cardiff not sure his stats against Sessegnon.

Dammit not this guy then? The best cornerback I have ever seen. :) 

 

 

 

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”He has been a bit unlucky. He started as first choice right back last season then got injured. He was a central midfielder initially but been converted to right back last few years. He is better technically then Ryan but not as quick. Good on the ball....”

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4 hours ago, GrahamC said:

I appreciate this probably makes me sound really old fashioned, but I find news like this depressing.

Sessengon is never going to sign for us permanently so I would much rather we either persevered with Vyner and/or Hunt at RB or otherwise signed someone who wants to join us for good.

Personally though I wouldn’t look to sign a RB at all unless Hunt left, I think we only need another CB & then we have enough players.

I'm all for Vyner being given a chance, but i will be extremely disappointed if we start the season with Jack Hunt as our right back. He's proven to be bang average.

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32 minutes ago, Riaz said:

I'm all for Vyner being given a chance, but i will be extremely disappointed if we start the season with Jack Hunt as our right back. He's proven to be bang average.

I personally think if Vyner or Hunt is our number one RB/RWB we should be disappointed. 

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1 hour ago, Riaz said:

I'm all for Vyner being given a chance, but i will be extremely disappointed if we start the season with Jack Hunt as our right back. He's proven to be bang average.

Hunt has a year left on his contract & is bound to be on decent money.

I would be happy enough with Vyner starting the season there & if we cannot move Hunt on, him being the back up.

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Could Joe Morrell be used out there? Not enough space for all our midfielders and think JM has good traits for the position. Can’t help but look at some other high IQ players that have done well in fullback spots over recent years. Look at even Brownhill or Korey Smith. Or higher level even looking at Kimmich. 
 

Sessengon would be fine as a purchase but as a loan I’d rather be more creative. We don’t really need to be pinned to 352 either. We will have the personnel to play a more traditional 2 cbs and fullbacks if need be. 

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Hunt I'm unsure on- he was quite productive assists/end product wise in the early phases of last season.

If we go into a more positive version of the 3-4-3/3-5-2- whatever the precise shape the template is there on any given day- then Hunt could benefit at WB- and we could benefit. Upgrade or cover- could Vyner fill in at RWB for a prolonged period?

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2 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

Could Joe Morrell be used out there? Not enough space for all our midfielders and think JM has good traits for the position. Can’t help but look at some other high IQ players that have done well in fullback spots over recent years. Look at even Brownhill or Korey Smith. Or higher level even looking at Kimmich. 
 

Sessengon would be fine as a purchase but as a loan I’d rather be more creative. We don’t really need to be pinned to 352 either. We will have the personnel to play a more traditional 2 cbs and fullbacks if need be. 

Why do people want to shoehorn players into positions they don’t play ? O’dowda left wing back , Morrell , right wing back . Round pegs , round holes . 

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5 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Why do people want to shoehorn players into positions they don’t play ? O’dowda left wing back , Morrell , right wing back . Round pegs , round holes . 

Because there's countless examples of players successfully being moved to different positions. Bobby Reid is one example.

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4 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Hunt has a year left on his contract & is bound to be on decent money.

I would be happy enough with Vyner starting the season there & if we cannot move Hunt on, him being the back up.

Do you think Vyner has the agility to play wing back? He’s fast and athletic, but in a Derrick Williams way. I can’t see him being very effective as a wing back. It’s such a specialist role that usually favours agile players.

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2 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

Could Joe Morrell be used out there? Not enough space for all our midfielders and think JM has good traits for the position. Can’t help but look at some other high IQ players that have done well in fullback spots over recent years. Look at even Brownhill or Korey Smith. Or higher level even looking at Kimmich. 
 

Sessengon would be fine as a purchase but as a loan I’d rather be more creative. We don’t really need to be pinned to 352 either. We will have the personnel to play a more traditional 2 cbs and fullbacks if need be. 

Not a bad shout at all. I think players can be a lot more than just a central midfielder or a full back or centre back etc. Players with many attributes should be able to adapt to a new position.

Brownhill was superb on the right of midfield, having never played there before. LJ brought him on one game (PNE at home maybe?) and it was clear to see he looked very good on the right. Helped keep us up that did for sure from then on.

He has actually played right wing back for us and done very well too.

Korey was fantastic at right back. I would have kept him just to play there. But not sure about him as a wing back but then can't see a reason why he'd be any worse there. 

Nagy played right back very briefly against Forest I think. I thought he'd played there a fair bit before, but seems like he hasn't. Once he has according to transfermarkt, but they can be wrong.

Morrell decent shout as he seems to have very high work rate, a good engine, decent enough pace and can tackle. And of course is good on the ball.

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4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Do you think Vyner has the agility to play wing back? He’s fast and athletic, but in a Derrick Williams way. I can’t see him being very effective as a wing back. It’s such a specialist role that usually favours agile players.

Yep, as I have said before he was an Avon champion athlete (400m) as a youth.

I therefore think he possesses the stamina & physique to play there, though think he is equally comfortable as a RCB of a 3.

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48 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Why do people want to shoehorn players into positions they don’t play ? O’dowda left wing back , Morrell , right wing back . Round pegs , round holes . 

Why do we shoehorn players into one position? Not saying it will always work but Williams, Morrell, Massengo, Nagy, Walsh and Palmer all won’t fit in one midfield. Why spend more money when we haven’t explored the options we already have? I have even given examples where it has worked out. With Brownhill and Smith we missed them in midfield so they weren’t long term options but if Morrell is better than Jack Hunt then why not? Don’t think football is always as simple as he is a CM so he can’t play anywhere else. 

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35 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Not a bad shout at all. I think players can be a lot more than just a central midfielder or a full back or centre back etc. Players with many attributes should be able to adapt to a new position.

Brownhill was superb on the right of midfield, having never played there before. LJ brought him on one game (PNE at home maybe?) and it was clear to see he looked very good on the right. Helped keep us up that did for sure from then on.

He has actually played right wing back for us and done very well too.

Korey was fantastic at right back. I would have kept him just to play there. But not sure about him as a wing back but then can't see a reason why he'd be any worse there. 

Nagy played right back very briefly against Forest I think. I thought he'd played there a fair bit before, but seems like he hasn't. Once he has according to transfermarkt, but they can be wrong.

Morrell decent shout as he seems to have very high work rate, a good engine, decent enough pace and can tackle. And of course is good on the ball.

Yea idk if it would work. Chances are it wouldn’t but I’d rather use the players we have if possible is all. I don’t feel like Sessengon is the answer. Feel like Hunt wins that battle but either way both are gone in a year anyway. If Morrell is comfortable with the idea I’d explore it.

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1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

Why do people want to shoehorn players into positions they don’t play ? O’dowda left wing back , Morrell , right wing back . Round pegs , round holes . 

I do agree, but it could be that some players may have been playing in a position in youth, reserves or a lower level loans which may not be their best at this point in time at this level. Exceptional players have changed positions with great effect as well; Ronaldo, Bale, Giggs, Matthaus, Beckenbauer, Ramos to name a few.

Orr was an average CM but a decent RB. Definitely think Joe is a CM though imo.

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3 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Because there's countless examples of players successfully being moved to different positions. Bobby Reid is one example.

No, there isn’t countless examples , that’s absolute rubbish. You’ve quoted one, who was a attacking midfielder turned into a no 10

please , i really am looking forward to reading you’re countless examples.

pick a system and buy players to fit it. If you have players that don’t fit your system then move them on . O’dowda left wing back is one of the more laughable of your suggestions  tbh (no disrespect of course) 

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2 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

Why do we shoehorn players into one position? Not saying it will always work but Williams, Morrell, Massengo, Nagy, Walsh and Palmer all won’t fit in one midfield. Why spend more money when we haven’t explored the options we already have? I have even given examples where it has worked out. With Brownhill and Smith we missed them in midfield so they weren’t long term options but if Morrell is better than Jack Hunt then why not? Don’t think football is always as simple as he is a CM so he can’t play anywhere else. 

Just because you’ve named a number of midfielders , they’re all different players with different midfield attributes. We have a very truncated season coming up where they’ll all get plenty of game time. It’s very naive to think a team with so called aspirations of the top six can get away  with playing players out of position. We’re not talking versatile players here ie a james Milner . We’re talking young lads making their way in the game that position. 

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1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

Just because you’ve named a number of midfielders , they’re all different players with different midfield attributes. We have a very truncated season coming up where they’ll all get plenty of game time. It’s very naive to think a team with so called aspirations of the top six can get away  with playing players out of position. We’re not talking versatile players here ie a james Milner . We’re talking young lads making their way in the game that position. 

I think that’s the difference / subtle difference.  There’s true versatility, usually comes with experience of playing more than one position, and then there’s trying to fit square pegs in round holes.  There’s also filling in during a match because someone had gone off injured or you’ve used all your subs, and truly picking someone out of their favoured position.

In an ideal world, the squad will have depth / cover....we have that currently (international break aside), although an injury at CB or RWB would leave us looking a bit thin.

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5 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

No, there isn’t countless examples , that’s absolute rubbish. You’ve quoted one, who was a attacking midfielder turned into a no 10

please , i really am looking forward to reading you’re countless examples.

pick a system and buy players to fit it. If you have players that don’t fit your system then move them on . O’dowda left wing back is one of the more laughable of your suggestions  tbh (no disrespect of course) 

I don't need to list all the examples of footballers who have moved from one position to another. As I'm sure you can think of many if you try to. And Bobby was more our main striker from being a midfielder. Massive change in position.

The fact that O'Dowda has played well every time he has played wing back so far suggests to me it is certainly not laughable.

And I'm not saying I'm 100% sure it will work but having played well there 3 times I can think of and done fine one other time too before getting injured, I think it's something Holden should at least look at.

I guess it was laughable to move Kelly to central defence even though a season later he plays central defence against Harry Kane in the prem.

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I don't get this forum- someone expresses an opinion on almost any a subject and there appear to be at least half a dozen people all ready to shoot down that opinion in the most aggressive manor possible. I get that it's all about opinions and it's okay to put a different viewpoint, I just don't think there is much tolerance shown. I could understand it from rival fans, but some people on here do nothing to create a sense of support and unity with fellow city fans. It doesn't encourage debate, if you think anytime you post something there are people ready and primed to jump down your throat! A little more respect please people!   I'll probably get abuse for posting this. 😙

 

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There will be examples of players who have played different positions successfully.

At this level it’s to be expected there’s a majority of players trained to excel in the chosen/selected position as well as a natural progression where players develop, learn & evolve their roles.

The expectation is a starting 11 who are set up to excel in the given formations & tactics.

Moving players into new positions should not be through necessity it should only be through natural ability at this level of competition & stage of the season.

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8 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

Just because you’ve named a number of midfielders , they’re all different players with different midfield attributes. We have a very truncated season coming up where they’ll all get plenty of game time. It’s very naive to think a team with so called aspirations of the top six can get away  with playing players out of position. We’re not talking versatile players here ie a james Milner . We’re talking young lads making their way in the game that position. 

It is only playing someone out of position if it doesn’t work. No one think Rowe plays out of position at LB/LWB even though he has played maybe 85% of his career in midfield. Half his career games at LB came with us last season. Yes I know he is older and experienced but point is he played well so no one cared. 
 

IDK if Joe Morrell can do the same. Tbf I think he’d be better as a RB than RWB. The only point I was making though is why spend money on someone if we could have other options. I’d rather try someone here than spend 5-10k a week on a loan plus any fees on Sessengon. 
 

And what is plenty of game time? Morrell wants to play in the Euros as well as Nagy. Walsh has a year remaining on his contract. Massengo left Monaco to play. The season is still 46 games long. They are all happy playing 23 each? No whoever is best will still start 36 games or more. At least two will have to fight for minutes. So if there are some spare in another position they would back themselves to have a go imo. 

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